man, i read this back when I was, like, 14... since it's been, what? 6 years since then I don't really remember the book. I just remember enjoying it.

I should re-read that, actually.

It's funny that you mention Scientology, as the story is that Hubbard and Heinlein were knocking back a few and decided to see who could write a better book about a "new religion".

Heinlein wrote "Stranger", L.Ron started Scientology.

I do have to objet to your representation of where we stand regarding a moon colony.

We ARE mounting a huge effort, there IS the political will to get it done (mainly to preempt China I think), and NASA's Return to Earth Orbit happens on July 13th.

Otherwise I enjoyed your review of a book I must have read 5 times, at least. It's highly entertaining!

Bennett,

If we are mounting a huge effort, it's flying under my radar. I actually thought about mentioning the Chinese, but the review was just getting too long.

I think a problem with the space effort, at least as far as govt. efforts, is that the number one goal is to never have anything go wrong and never have an astronaut die. That makes secondary goals, like the Moon or Mars, hard to reach.

Bruce,

Too true, but with a new NASA administrator in place, one who understands risk vs accomplishment, the environment at NASA is changing rapidly.

Here is a short BC post on this.

And with private industy being encouraged to take up some of the action that historically was kept within NASA, things are beginning to move very fast indeed.

We live in exciting times.

Which version did you read? His widow released an "Unabridged" version in the 90s that adds about another 1/3 to the book, much of it sexually-charged. It makes Michael Valentine a more complete person... even if a horn-dog.

Michael --

I read the version that's pictured on the page above; or at least, that's what the cover looks like. The date, which comes up automatically from Amazon, says 1995 here, although the printing date on the copyright page of the book says 1987. The copyright date is still 1961.

As I was reading it, I thought it was somewhat sexually charged for 1961, althrough it wouldn't raise an eyebrow today. Maybe I read the unabridged, but I don't know.

The version from '95 is the original (edited) release. The "author's original" version (I've reread both recently) is proof positive that even a great writer like RAH needed an editor...

This is the book in which Heinlein invents the waterbed.

folks,

READ THIS BOOK!!

it is my Opinion that Heinlein is to the 20th century what Twain was to the 19th

i consider him one of the most Important authors from America, and if there can be said to be a single individual that inspired our space program, it would be RAH...

over 80% of NASA staff up until the mid 90's state that they got into space tech because of Heinlein

he was so influential that the other authors of sci fi had to invent the "Grand Master" award

this book, originally titled "the Sound of his Wings" was a project he worked on and stepped away from for most of his earlier career, and makes a demarcation between his earlier "hard science" fiction and his creation of what he called "speculative fiction"

this book was not so much about tech and hardware as it was about speculation and observation of sociopolitical trends and cultural observations, and is clearly a step into Literature as opposed to the genre's pulp origins

i consider it not only an Important work in american literature, but also the only example of an Objectivist Gnostic Myth

his "Universal Church of Truth" provided repeatable and observable "miracles" which anyone could learn once they had mastered the Knowledge of the Martian language...and the "mythological" twist of the main Protagonists ultimate Fate is a metaphysical dual edged sword that may take some people more than a single reading to "grok in fullness"

this is a modern "Passion" displayed as nothing more than engaging and entertaining Literature...what more can one ask from a book?

two other "must reads" from this Author are shown at the bottom of the Post...

the Moon is a Harsh Mistress is another sociopolitical exploration that teaches about civics, revolution and politics...all the while being one hell of an entertaining Story

and Job: a Comedy of Justice is both a poke at dogma and an inspiring love story that can stand with anything

so sayeth yer gonzo

Excelsior!

READ THIS BOOK!!

Dead nuts on gonzo. Thanks for saying the things I would have said had I been you.

The unabridged has a black cover and explicitly states that it is the "complete and unabridged" version. It won't offer any huge differences in the story, merely extending and enhancing it a bit.

my copy of the unabridged is a red leather bound and gilt edged pages

i also have a first edition, as well as the same paperback shown in the Post

if memory serves, the unabridged is about 80,000 words longer, and the biggest difference is in the conversation between Jubal and Ben concerning what happened in the Nest one evening that made Ben run away

a bit racy for 1961, but would earn a PG at best today

read the book

nuff said?

Excelsior!

Thanks for this review. What memories it raises about the whole Heinlein list. If you liked this, be sure to check out:
Time Enough for Love
The Past Through Tomorrow
I Will Fear No Evil

I found them tremendously mind stretching re cultural assumptions of gender, family identity, and lots of steamy stuff for a late teen of my day [the 70s]. I think many of us thought of his stuff as really 'underground' then.

Complete bibliography at:
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Robert_Heinlein.htm

I think I'll check my library and rethink what the stories were really about. I would imagine I'll have a completely different reaction as a middle-aged adult!

It appears we have some real Heinlein fans here.

Anyone else want to take a crack at what year the story takes place?

As you said, he overestimated some technology, and didn't plan on having Senator Proxmire kill off funding for NASA in the 80's.

I'd say 2030 is a good bet for both the societal feel, as well as where our space program will be. What scares me is that we may have to go through a version "If This Goes On" where the government becomes a Religious Dictatorship. That story is in "Future History", a great collection of Heinlein at his best.

Also:

Tunnel In The Sky
Farnham's Freehold
Glory Road
Orphans Of The Sky
The Door Into Summer

All stand outs.

I've just read 'stranger', the first Heinlein book i've ever read. I picked the book in a second hand shop at random, not realising the importance of Heinlein... Well, now i Grok how great an author he is... for a couple of days after finishing 'stranger' i kept using grok in conversation by accident, and people gave me funny looks...fair enough!
The 'religion' of water brothers is pretty impossible, but would be great, in an ideal world.

The book has some great observations of religion, faith and just about everything, but it certainly doesn't offer a solution...unless his prediction of marshun lifestyle is as accurate as his other 'predictions'... which of course it is not. It is certainly not a novel to be taken too literaly in that respect!

Also it is really funny! When it starts describing the 'gods' looking down on earth it, straightening their halos, it is a reminder to not take the whole thing too seriously. Apparently some people set up cults based on Michael's ideas. Pretty dumb really! They missed the point i think... If there is a point as such... i'm not so sure there is you know, beyond telling the truth as Heinlein sees it. Great book though. It reminds me of the problem posed at the end of Asimov's foundation and earth. And Michael is a similar character to R. Daneel Olivaw don't you think? From innocence to omnipotence.

i am reading this book it is very weird. i could not realize how different some one would act from a different planet. we are going to the moon but not to mars, yet. this book is weird having a grown man learn most what a baby knows. i am still reading it. this book is really good.