Blogcritics: Comments on No Need To Resign For Calling a Duck a Duck

Comment by Steve S

Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:11:39 EDT

Don't count me as part of any 8, all I did was say he was far fringe Right and that he was close-minded towards the Left, which he then proved in the very next comment. There was no 'attack' from me in that. The problem isn't they haven't defined themselves... the problem is that they've been to honest when they have. Well, John, I am Left and I will continue to vote Left. Your rationale about all that the Left stands for, in comment 73 is 100% wrong and not why I support liberal ideology. Since you are 100% convinced that is all that I'm about (since remember, according to you A=B=C), there is no point for anybody to discuss or debate politics with you. Your mind is made up, there is no possibility for debate. All posts you make should just be frisked and countered with facts. Beyond that, everybody's wasting their time, you've made that much clear.

Comment by Dave Nalle

Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:09:40 EDT

John B: "here is nothing redeemable about liberal thought. It destroys individuals, intellectually, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. It destroys families. It destroys communities. It destroys nations. It destroys cultures." I suggest that you've confused liberalism with the Democratic party, which at heart is primarily not a liberal party, but a statist/socialist party, which is about as far from liberal as you can get. Traditional Republicans are more liberal than contemporary Democrats. Gonzo: "where folks like you, Mr Nalle, should be concerned is that the sleepy Middle is waking up a bit and seems to think that the GOP is made up of those dittoheads and fundamentalists and they ain't happy, as recent polling is starting to show" What remains to be seen is who they're least happy with. Right now my guess would be they prefer and administration which at least tries to do something about our problems to an opposition which does nothing constructive and spends all its time grandstanding and propagandizing. Dave

Comment by Matt

Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:02:18 EDT

Jeremy--your defense of John is sweet. I applaud you. Good for you--sticking up for a bud. Kudos.

Comment by gonzo marx

Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:00:45 EDT

Jeremy, from comment #68 John B sez.. *There is nothing redeemable about liberal thought. It destroys individuals, intellectually, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. It destroys families. It destroys communities. It destroys nations. It destroys cultures.* thems fighting words, and he knows it... when folks are civil..i am civil...when not, well..i can be a bit snarky no Apologies from me here, and i speak only for myself and i ain't a Dem nor a real "lefty"...but i will excercise my ability to express myself as i see fit if Eric O. or the other editors at BC have a problem with my screeds, i am certain they will let me know thanks for caring Excelsior!

Comment by Bennett

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:53:43 EDT

Jeremy, For every one of the eight you describe as "attacking" John, there are ten more of us standing in the wings, biting our tongues. Not out of respect mind you, we're just letting a few other folks whack at the neocon pinata for a while.

Comment by Jeremy

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:48:25 EDT

Gee, it looks like pick on John day. All the attackers are here. Is this supposed to be a place to post comments or create unabashed and abusive comments? Didn't there used to be a comment policy around here? [edited]

Comment by gonzo marx

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:43:14 EDT

feeble attempt at Humor, but keep trying no "treatise" needed, you rant was more than enough to demonstrate the depths of your ethical bankruptcy by utilizing unfounded hyperbole coupled with all inclusive overgeneralization you have managed to clearly epitomize a dearth of intellectual cpacity as well as all the compassion of an upholsterer at Dachau one can only Hope that more of your ilk continue to be so blatant and brazen in your unadulterated hatred, and the Majority of the Middle decide to launder the greasy stain of your political existance from the soiled underwear of our Society just my one sixth billionths of the world's Opinion... Excelsior!

Comment by John Bambenek

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:30:29 EDT

Gonzo: This is a comment board, not a place to post treatises. If you want 100 or so pages, I can produce a nice little book, but don't fault me for not posting it here. But you caught me... I got a call from Karl Rove a few hours ago that told me to post this...

Comment by gonzo marx

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:27:50 EDT

Mr Nalle, as you may have gathered, i have no great love for the far Left either but i have yet to see any examples from the Left that rise to anywhere near the level of shit that folks like Coulter,Limbaugh,Savage and Sloop John B. here spew forth.. John B sez... *There is nothing redeemable about liberal thought. It destroys individuals, intellectually, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. It destroys families. It destroys communities. It destroys nations. It destroys cultures.* right there..unfounded, no facts or cases cited for the Argument...nothing but hate spewing forth, nothign to back up the ditto head screed... hell, it ain't even funny...just pathetic the Problem with those that "believe" this kind of shit is that they just follow what their Masters tell them, they swallow this type of blind, unfounded hate-speech whole and wash it down with soem Jim Jones kool-aid note, his earlier attempt to equate the Left with the Taliban...any sane and rational person can see how that falls apart...the Taliban were an ultra conservative totalitarian Fundamentalist theocracy for Bog's sake, you know that allowed NO dissent kind of like Washington at this point in our History...ok, that was close to being an unfair jab...but note how mild it is when compared to Comment #68...just Illustrating a Point here i find it fascinating that the GOP is screaming for the dems to "put out your Agenda" so it can be co-opted and stolen, the serial numbers filed off, and a few back door bits slid in under the radar...and where i personally feel that it might be a good Idea to get some of the Dems out there defining their side fo the Debate a bit more coherently...they are the Minority and in Opposition... you know..like the GOP under Newt was...like the Senate was when the Dems had control...but Herr Rove and the Noise Machine doesn't want folks to even think about the facts of History...just what the Machine is screaming about on the AM dial at the Moment real Conservatives, Libertarians, fiscal Conservatives, the Moderates...these folks i have disagreed with..but can Understand and even hold Respect for...George Will comes to mind... but neo-cons, the "social conservative" and evangeli-politicals as well as the Coulterites, and dittoheads are a real problem... where folks like you, Mr Nalle, should be concerned is that the sleepy Middle is waking up a bit and seems to think that the GOP is made up of those dittoheads and fundamentalists and they ain't happy, as recent polling is starting to show your mileage may vary Excelsior!

Comment by John Bambenek

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:20:15 EDT

Eric: I don't think you know what luciferian means... it means doing evil while thinking you are doing good. I believe most of you have good intentions, but the fact is the theology you espouse is harmful. And I think the Left has defined what they are for (besides being against George Bush). For decades, the word Republican has been a term of derision. The Left, when in charge, locked out and swept aside all those who might land on the conservative side of the spectrum, but swept away much more than that. They took aim at the religious as well. Now the tables are turned, and they're pissed they aren't being invited to the party. You made the rules, you get to live by them. And instead of voicing a platform or defining themselves, the sit around and blame the Jews for 9/11, are under the delusion that all our civil liberties have gone away (well you could make the argument about private property, but that was a ruling brought by the left), the the terrorists are "freedom fighters", the we are torturing people at Gitmo, and that we're killing journalists and civilians for sport. The problem isn't they haven't defined themselves... the problem is that they've been to honest when they have.

Comment by Dave Nalle

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:12:44 EDT

Regardless of whether it's true, the impression which John B. has of the left is one which is shared wholeheartedly by at least a third of the population and believed at least to some extent by another third. It might be a good idea for those on the left to think about how to disabuse people of the notion that they are exactly what he describes them as - perhaps by putting forward an agenda that makes some sense, has some objectives and promotes some desirable values. If you don't define yourself then your enemy will define you. Dave

Comment by Pete Blackwell

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:11:14 EDT

John, How dare you even use the phrase "intellectual honesty" (comment 32)?

Comment by Eric Berlin

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:51:14 EDT

It's a classic example of luciferian theology at work. You realize that what you're saying has absolutely no relation to reality, yes?

Comment by gonzo marx

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:48:29 EDT

the Truth is that some folks enjoy being crypto fascists that scream conform or die the Truth is that "there is more on Heaven and Earth than is dreamt in your Philosophy" the Truth is that there is nothing redeemable about close minded, larger mouthed, small brained, neo-con, greed based "faith" and that the sooner those it has hypnotized wake up to the fact that their Masters own their shriveled souls the happier this Nation will be to the Sloop John B, that last bit by you destroys any semblance of sanity i might have thought you possesed you have won this week's Insidious Troglodyte Award may Bog and JuJu have mercy on what is left of your mind... Excelsior!

Comment by John Bambenek

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:38:52 EDT

I care about the truth... the truth is this... There is nothing redeemable about liberal thought. It destroys individuals, intellectually, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. It destroys families. It destroys communities. It destroys nations. It destroys cultures. The 10 biggest genocides of the 20th century were committed by socialist or communist governments. I do not believe this to be a coincidence. Purges are something that happens in communist countries, not free ones. The Left's concern about the truth can be shown in the Alger Hiss - Whittaker Chambers case, where even after Alger was found guilty, even after decrypted cables were declassified, people still insist the communist spy Alger Hiss was the victim. The Left has seen the future, and it was communist Russia. They've never gotten over it's collapse. The truth is that there is nothing redeemable about liberal thought. Nothing. It's a classic example of luciferian theology at work.

Comment by El Bicho

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:19:48 EDT

Steve, you act like John cares about the truth. Obviously, you haven't read his posts before. He is just an attack dog who has gone mad like Old Yeller.

Comment by Eric Berlin

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:14:26 EDT

Hilarious... well played, Steve.

Comment by Steve S

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:08:54 EDT

Actually, John, I definitely got it. Also, I said: you insist on telling the Left what it wants which was promptly followed by exhibit A: it (what the Left is about) boils down to this...

Comment by John Bambenek

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:04:07 EDT

Steve: That was humor... you apparently missed it. You also assume that I haven't heard the Left's position. I have, and it boils down to this... Surrender all your freedom, all your property, and all your rights to the nanny state that can run society better than you can. Sit down, shut up, and let the "elites" run the show. The Taliban is the penultimate liberal form of government.

Comment by Steve S

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:27:26 EDT

I'm more of a lace person and you are trying to create a world where you can get your ass kicked for that preference. I thought David Flanagan was Fringe Right here at BC, but you make him seem as liberal as Barbara Boxer. You are past fringe, and my reason for saying so is that you are closed to debate/alternative theory. You won't let the Left tell you it's viewpoint, you insist on telling the Left what it wants.

Comment by Temple Stark

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:59:00 EDT

Every person in the globe is "fringe."

Comment by John Bambenek

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:44:20 EDT

I'm more of a lace person then a fringe person

Comment by Temple Stark

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:33:46 EDT

John must be saying we're all fringe.

Comment by John Bambenek

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:33:40 EDT

People men different things by it... what do YOU mean?

Comment by Eric Berlin

Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:12:28 EDT

And who precisely is the fringe right? That's a joke, right?