Blogcritics: Comments on James Dobson has complete trust in judges in life and death matters...

Comment by Dave Nalle

Mon, 30 May 2005 22:16:47 EDT

>>Probably the same "wrong side" as Dave.< There's a depressing through - me and RealCon agreeing about something. Dave

Comment by Demi

Mon, 30 May 2005 21:06:03 EDT

BTP... Nobody said ANY president was accountable... Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That should be a basic theory on conspiracy 101.

Comment by Big Time Patriot

Mon, 30 May 2005 19:14:01 EDT

"BTP, does your whole life revolve around conspiracy theories?" I admit I have a fondness for conspiracies, but sometimes conspiracies are true. For instance, back before the Iraq war, when George Bush was saying that he hadn't decided whether to go to war or not, many of us believed that he was flat out lying and war was ineveitable. Just recently it turns out that our belief in a conspiracy of George Bush deciding to war Iraq first and trying to make up a reason second was shared by that other completely freaking liberal hotbed known as the British Intelligence services... But, hey, if you just don't hold George Bush accountable for his own words OR hold him accountable for the results of his actions, why, other than that he is our greatest American President ever and a natural favorite of the Almighty. If you DO pay attention to the things he says and compare them to what he does, you might suspect him of being an old Texas oil flim flam man (Am I the only one who remembers that the show Dallas was based on the well accepted premise that Texas oil men had the ethics of weasels?)

Comment by RealCon

Mon, 30 May 2005 14:32:29 EDT

Re; Comment 32 "What impresses me about RealCon is his ability to be on the wrong side of absolutely every issue. I wonder how he feels about social security and tax reform..." Probably the same "wrong side" as Dave.

Comment by Dave Nalle

Mon, 30 May 2005 14:19:47 EDT

What impresses me about RealCon is his ability to be on the wrong side of absolutely every issue. I wonder how he feels about social security and tax reform... Dave

Comment by RealCon

Mon, 30 May 2005 11:31:05 EDT

"It seems to me that the candidate that intiates an optional war that results in the deaths of over 1800 "boys and girls" that are very much wanted by their parents is the politician and the party that advocates a "pro-choice on child eradication" policy. As a Christian, the failure of Dr. Dobson and other prominant Christian leaders to even consider this, let alone condemn it makes me furious." You are right in being furious... But the war in Iraq has nothing to do with the issue of abortion (life or death of the unborn)... It has everything to do with politics... Why did President Bush decide to go to war? In whose interests was it launched? Thousands of American casualties and billions of (borrowed) dollars later -- the truth is still being kept from Americans by the mainstream media... http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml

Comment by Demi

Mon, 30 May 2005 00:31:52 EDT

BTP, does your whole life revolve around conspiracy theories? Thank the heavens for blogs... otherwise all that wasted energy would not have an outlet.

Comment by RealCon

Mon, 30 May 2005 00:25:21 EDT

Glad to see all you -- ex-tr-ee-mus lib-ee-rals -- mustering your forces to maintain "killing the unborn"... The issue of "choice" -- properly stated -- is the "choice" of death of one who otherwise would live... that is the "only real choice"... National Geographic has a new TV show covering "Terrestrial Life" -- life on other planets -- Scientists say they would be exuberant to find a "living single cell" anywhere else in the Universe -- they would call it "life" -- and they would certainly not want to kill it... even knowing that it is but a "single cell",,, The program says -- "Life is pretty tough -- once you get it started -- it's very hard to quench...". (but not on this planet!) In this country -- we kill several million unborn each year -- up to the point where "viability" (can it live after it is extracted outside the mother if we don't kill it now?) is the criteria to douse the "thing" with a chemical strong enough to make Zyklon B -- (a pesticide used to fumigate clothing and quarters to kill typhus-bearing lice and other pests) -- look like Kool Aid... But -- Real Conservatives want to thank you -- and the Supreme Judicial Court of the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts -- for doing more to defeat John Kerry -- than the quagmire in Iraq -- and all the other problems of this administration -- could ever do... By "being in our face" -- you have enabled the election of Bush -- who can then appoint Federal Judges (non-activist - that is) to the bench -- who will follow the Constitution as it was written... not as lib-ee-rals might want it to be -- and no "penumbras")... Non urinat in ventum!

Comment by Dave Nalle

Sun, 29 May 2005 22:54:08 EDT

Dobson Thread >>It seems to me that the candidate that intiates an optional war that results in the deaths of over 1800 "boys and girls" that are very much wanted by their parents is the politician and the party that advocates a "pro-choice on child eradication" policy. As a Christian, the failure of Dr. Dobson and other prominant Christian leaders to even consider this, let alone condemn it makes me furious.<< If you accept the idea that fetuses are living, conscious human beings, there IS a key difference between them and soldiers who are dying in Iraq. The fetuses didn't volunteer to be aborted, while the soldiers are old enough to make decisions and chose to join the army with full awareness that they are likely to be sent to war. That's a pretty important difference, and reprehensible though Dobson and his nutcase followers are, they aren't wrong to draw that distinction. Dave

Comment by gonzo marx

Sun, 29 May 2005 03:16:50 EDT

comment #15 boild it down to the nut of the matter RealCon sez.. *A true conservative believes in keeping what we had in this country before the hippies came along with their "counterculture:...* nursing an almost 40 year old Grudge... before that it woud have been those damned Greasers and their devil made Rock and Roll Music before that the Swing Kids with all that wild dancing before that the jazz folks and their floosy Flappers and loose morals.. before that the Suffrage Women who defied their husbands and refused to stay in the home and >gasp< wanted to Vote!! before that the Abolishionists, wanting to get rid of the cheap labor that nobody else wanted to do on and on, ad nauseum nuff said? Excelsior!

Comment by Dick McEwen

Sun, 29 May 2005 00:12:44 EDT

It seems to me that the candidate that intiates an optional war that results in the deaths of over 1800 "boys and girls" that are very much wanted by their parents is the politician and the party that advocates a "pro-choice on child eradication" policy. As a Christian, the failure of Dr. Dobson and other prominant Christian leaders to even consider this, let alone condemn it makes me furious. Moreover, if one believes that the taking of human life is immoral, laws that permit abortion but do not require it do not force anyone to act immorally. On the other hand, imposition of the death penalty, [particularly given the serious questions about the procedural defects in many cases] requires us all to act in a manner that many consider immoral. In my mind, this is a significant differance that is rarely discussed.

Comment by RealCon

Sat, 28 May 2005 22:41:24 EDT

Dave -- although I disagree with you -- at least you are able to clearly state a position... Can't say that for some of the folks here...

Comment by Natalie Davis

Sat, 28 May 2005 22:26:06 EDT

Oooooh, that's different. And he is correct about that. Whew! Thanks, Steve.

Comment by Steve S

Sat, 28 May 2005 22:17:46 EDT

Natalie, I believe he is saying a woman does not need to justify her decision to anyone. It is between her and her doctor.

Comment by RealCon

Sat, 28 May 2005 21:45:38 EDT

Yeah -- Let's kill all the misfits...

Comment by Natalie Davis

Sat, 28 May 2005 21:10:12 EDT

Good heavens, Mr. JR!

Comment by Dave Nalle

Sat, 28 May 2005 20:12:38 EDT

Indeed, JR. Something's just inherently wrong with saying 'killing the unborn'. It just doesn't make any sense. Dave

Comment by RealCon

Sat, 28 May 2005 20:12:21 EDT

Obviously -- you can't see very far...

Comment by JR

Sat, 28 May 2005 20:05:52 EDT

RealCon: But killing the unborn has no justification.., Far as I can see it needs no justification.

Comment by Voracious Reader

Sat, 28 May 2005 20:02:11 EDT

One difference between abortion and the death penalty is that the Constitution says nothing about abortion, whereas the Constitution at least mentions prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment. Of course at the time that the Constitution was written, cruel and unusual punishment could not have meant the death penalty since that was perfectly legal. What would have been so wrong with leaving abortion issues up to the states? It's not in the Constitution, and, if you believe it's murder, then states have always had the right to create their own criminal codes and legislate against muder. That way, some states would legalize it and others wouldn't.

Comment by Dave Nalle

Sat, 28 May 2005 19:52:14 EDT

A true conservative believes in holding to traditional values. The traditional values of this nation are those embodied in the Constitution, not those invented in the last 100 years by fundamentalist revisionists who try to twist our traditions into their theocentric mold. Dave

Comment by RealCon

Sat, 28 May 2005 19:49:39 EDT

Re: Comment 12 Dave and his ilk aren't really conservatives in the most meaningful ways... A true conservative believes in keeping what we had in this country before the hippies came along with their "counterculture:...

Comment by Natalie Davis

Sat, 28 May 2005 19:49:22 EDT

... if you are Mr. RealCon.

Comment by RealCon

Sat, 28 May 2005 19:37:25 EDT

I have no quarrel with putting a convicted murderer away for life -- provided it is for life... But killing the unborn has no justification..,

Comment by Dave Nalle

Sat, 28 May 2005 19:14:50 EDT

>>How did it become conservative to hate judges and the rule of law?<< It didn't, BTP. RealCon and his ilk aren't really conservatives in most meaningful ways. The have right wing social agendas, but philosophically they are exploitative statists. His choice of name is typical. He calls himself 'RealCon' to shore up his conservative credentials because he knows at heart that his beliefs really aren't conservative. It's just like the people who call John McCain a RINO, because they know that they're not real Republicans and if they can stygmatize the real Republicans it helps to legitimize them. Dave