Blogcritics: Comments on HST Goes Into the Darkness

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:17:51 EST

I was actually thinking more Martin Hannett. But all I really want is if I want somebody to die, I'll suggest Dee Nalle graze their work, process what he can, and expell the methane cloud of death. Feel free to read Bukowski and Burroughs or Kathy Acker because they are already dead. If you go anywhere near Harry Crews, I will slap a retraining order on you. The same with Terry Gilliam. Courtney Love, on the other hand ... oh, who am I foolin', she's got diseases which would kill you with a sneeze. You could probably try to bugger Tucker Carlson to death or give Coulter a blowjob.

Comment by alienboy

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:45:56 EST

The Factory Records label was one of the great artistic successes of the Manchester punk and post-punk scene. Itwas actually run by a group of people but I'd guess Nalle saw something featuring Tony Wilson, who is one of the more interesting brains of that scene. He was a journalist and TV presenter before the punk scene started. The fact that he got involved rather than simply maintaining journalistic disconnection always struck me aas impressive. If you listen to the first Joy Division album, Unknown Pleasures, on some dark angry night of the soul, really really loud, you will hear some of the most pained rock since iggy and the stooges first bled! And Olsen is right, New Order are both more Electronic and more Funky than JD

Comment by Dave Nalle

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:15:46 EST

Bleh, MORE electronic than Joy Division? Not my bag of fish. Dave

Comment by Eric Olsen

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:33:47 EST

New Order is considerably less dark than Joy Division if for no other reason that Bernard's high, thin vocals couldn't be much more different than those of Ian Curtis. New Order is also, strangely, both more electronic and more organic than Joy Division. Bill Sherman reviewed a best-of collection here

Comment by Dave Nalle

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:20:49 EST

Ok, Joy Division I'm familiar with. Is 'hate' too strong a word? Can't stand their music. Though I did see an amusing and bizarre biopic on the guy who started the record label they were on. And I have heard of New Order, just known nothing at all about them and haven't really heard their music to my knowledge. But if they're like Joy Division I haven't missed much. BTW, I am familiar with OMD and the Gang of Four - does that help? Dave

Comment by Aaman

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:55 EST

Not sure if the suicide connection (JoyDiv/NewOrd and HST) was intentional in Jim's choice of band to berate Dave. Natural comparison to bloggers, Dave

Comment by alienboy

Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:04:37 EST

Nalle: never heard of New Order? If that's not some subtle attempt at humour (unlikely!), you need to spend a lot more time in Receive mode, rather than Transmit. In addition to the above mentioned, BOTH fine albums, you can find "Movement" or, for a quick introduction, go for the non-stop fun remixes and 12" versions found on the "Substance" compilation. Then you might want to consider exploring their ancestor band Joy Division - but if you do, please don't say that their best song is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" as most people do. It isn't, not by a long way. *wanders off, muttering to self...*

Comment by Dave Nalle

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:39:19 EST

>>Read like a press release IMHO - nothing but a reiteration of facts. And the blogger analogy, Dave doesn't have the good grace to say, was made by many before him.<< I wrote that within 3 hours of Thompson's death, so I hadn't exactly had a lot of chance to read other peoples comments, so the blogger analogy was new to me - plus the fact that others agree makes it more appropriate, not less. BTW, who or what is New Order? I take it they're some form of music that I've never heard? Dave

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:58:34 EST

Actually, "Low-life", now that I re-listen to it, is the favourite New Order album of internet fucktards, they just don't realize it underminds what they think they believe in, while corrupting everything. Oh I've just come From the land of the sun From a war that must be won In the name of truth With our soldiers so brave your freedom we will save With our rifles and grenades And some help from God I want to see my family My wife and child waiting for me I've got to go home I've been so alone, you see

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:46:25 EST

Temple writes: Jim, please try and make some sense here. And who you're replying to. Obliged. What, you're trying to tell me his favourite New Order album is "Low-life"?

Comment by Temple Stark

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:14:02 EST

Jim, please try and make some sense here. And who you're replying to. Obliged.

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:06:28 EST

And let me guess, your favourite New Order album is "Power, Corruption and Lies" because that suits your world-view without having to think about what it means.

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:57:33 EST

What so terrorizes and strikes fear into the average stupid USAian that they won't acknowledge the the blind, dumb foot on their neck. That they fear thinking or expressing dissonant thoughts. They are too cowardly to even disagree with their own bad choices. Polluted simpletons not even up to the standard to hold in contempt.

Comment by Temple Stark

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:09:43 EST

Read like a press release IMHO - nothing but a reiteration of facts. And the blogger analogy, Dave doesn't have the good grace to say, was made by many before him.

Comment by Dave Nalle

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:02:25 EST

Liberal Party? I didn't say anything about the Liberal party. I said Liberal in the more generic sense. I realize now that I should have said socialist or perhaps communist - then you'd have been able to identify with it better. Dave

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:59:47 EST

Dave, I was willing to think about liking you, but when you accuse me of supporting the Liberal Party, you might as well just spit in my drink. I have never, and never will support the corrupt shenanigans of the Liberal Party, and to aid as a stooge in smear tactics in turning words meaningless means you are nothing more than fungal rot. Good intentions do not make you less corrupt, for that is the slipway on which most of the evil vessels are greased with and launched.

Comment by alienboy

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:33:48 EST

HW Saxton: yes, that's the guy. we worked together for some time and had similar attitudes and interests. Of course, I forgot to mention that other late great writer, Lester Bangs.

Comment by gonzo marx

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:51:41 EST

yeah..i did forget to say thanx, Dave...a damn fine Article and a useful preAmble fer my lil screed..hope it got a few smiles... "this Body holding me, reminds me of my own Mortality; embrace this Moment, remember; we are Eternal, all this pain is an Illusion" from Parabola by Tool a bit of a comforting Thought, eh? Excelsior!

Comment by Dave Nalle

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:24:16 EST

>>This was a really good article.<< Why thanks, Jim. Now, next time you try to spread the gospel of liberalism, take a deep breath and consider whether what you type would convince Hunter S. Thompson of if he'd just scoff at you. Dave

Comment by HW Saxton

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:46:17 EST

Whooops! Sorry 'bout dat double post.

Comment by HW Saxton

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:45:20 EST

alienboy, Are you talking about Claude Bessy that used to be the editor and a writer for "SLASH" magazine from L.A.???

Comment by HW Saxton

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:38:15 EST

alienboy, Are you talking about Claude Bessy that used to be the editor and a writer for "SLASH" magazine from L.A.???

Comment by gonzo marx

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:35:55 EST

"when the going gets weird, the weird turn Pro" HST the Curse of Lono is finally fufilled...the greedheads and swine can rejoice...i can almost hear the Tin Man with his gravelly chortle pulling his hand out of the Shrub's ass for a second so he can squirt some Iraqi's blood onto the corners of his rusted mouth, enabling that shark like smile....screw them...i refuse to allow this Horror to drown me in the Kingdom of Fear a giant has fallen in the Wilderness...none of the "legit" Citizens will do more than a token Notice...but the freaks,the outlaws,the strange, the thinkers, the Doomed....they will notice. among the Tribe of the Weird there will be much Lamenting and consuming of peyote buttons as we Spirit Walk and rail against the gods as to why our Shaman has been taken from U.S. the gods won't Answer, of course...they never do, and now there is one less Voice to put our muddied feet on the Path...one less Visionary to rub our noses in the fact that the Emperor is ALWAYS naked...you can almost hear the cackling from Hell as Nixon masturbates violently in small souled glee... when most of the hippies that had tuned in,turned on and dropped out shed their tye dye clothes for the yuppie suits and BMW's of Reagan's 80's...becoming the fascist neo-Cons, epitome of all they had railed against, Hunter stood firm on the slippery muck of Principle and Truth...spewing the Words that helped tear away the Veil of Corporate propaganda and hauling us out of the rut induced by cowardly, politically correct, right-think. he was not the kind of man that burst thru a concrete wall spitting dust and looking good doing it, he was more the guy who watched that Freak consume the room, and then picked up all the loose change on the floor after the bar fight...but he always "stomped on the terra", leaving indelible boot prints on the necks of our Spirits as he gnawed on the Skull of Truth with his very own teeth. so wash down that mescaline with a quart of Wild Turkey, spark a joint and wait for it all to kick in...give the good Doctor the mother of all Wakes that he deserves.... me...i'll be wondering who is going to feed the mojo-wire with the flotsam of America's id, and wailing and gnashing my teeth in the realization that half a continent away in the quiet snows of Owl Farm, the peacocks are crying.... 30

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:27:42 EST

Dave: I want to apologize to you for thinking, and writing you were a poisonous pig-fucker with no more sense or taste than a septic tank. Now you've done your reading, do some learning, and find the truth in fiction. Remember profane means being of, and involved in the world. This was a really good article.

Comment by Dave Nalle

Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:25:42 EST

>>Makes O'Rourke look like the fraud that he is!" That convinced me.<< O'Rourke's not a fraud by any means, he's just not HST. His style is different, lighter, but he's a very good writer in his own way. >>But while Thompson's style is fast-paced, I believe his writing was the product of many revisions. He labored. << Many bloggers labor too, and many aspire to achieve the immediacy of Thompson's work. The fact that Thompson wrote almost exclusively for print in periodicals is part of the character of what he wrote, and blogs certainly draw on the tradition of underground weeklies and counter-culture magazines. Dave