hilarious Mike, if not exactly "neutral"

Michael Jackson's 'problems' have EVERYTHING to due with his being raised a Jehovah's Witness.



"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,but not their own facts".D.M.

please explain Danny

One thing i'll never claim to be is neutral.

or factual.

Um, or faithful.

U CALL M JACKSON AN ALL TIME FREAK !
I DON'T WANNA FIND OUT WHO U R
OH WAIT I KNOW
U ARE EITHER A CHILD MOLESTER OR A SERIAL KILLER !

Oh ya got me there.

Look for me testifying on seargent freak's behalf.

(i think he's a seargent...all those uniforms, it could be admiral)

Mike G, you truly are a poor reflection of society. Who did you expect to see as character witnesses in MJ's trial? Joe Schmo? Those are his friends, you failed comedian. (VTW, the Stevie Wonder "joke" is a reflection of your lack of sense or insight to anything)

Whatver you think of them because of what you have read in the Press, they are the people who lnow him best. Just like your friends know you best. I am sure if all our lives were open to public scrutiny and fabrication like the lives of celebrities today, none of us would have a leg to stand on in casting aspersions on people's character. Let he or she who has lived a lily-white life from the get go cast the first stone. Since I doubt you have(judging by this rant of yours) I suggest you shut the fuck up and learn to entertain at least half a thought before you speak. Tough job for you, but worth the try.

Sandra,
Perhaps you should drop off your kids @ michael's house and let him babysit.


Get a sense of humour.

Thanks for the great laugh!!

It's a good thing you're not arguing for the State, Mike! All these friends would not dare show up!!!

Actually, when I heard one other name in this list, it began to come clear: Kobe Bryant. Sounds like the defense plans to show how celebrities are held to a much higher standard in the justice system.

In that light, Diana Ross and Macauley Culkin make sense. Macauley and Liz Taylor also share with Jacko the life-long problems of being a child star. Stevie Wonder shares with him a disability (provided they prove Jackson's impetigo).

Now, I'm on record here as not buying into the concept that childhood problems excuse adult crimes, so please don't misunderstand. I just think the Jackson defense team has more going on here than calling on a list of their client's celebrity buddies.

The list has 350 names, the vast majority are not celebrities.

Liz, Mac and Diana would be character witnesses.

Kobe Byrant is a potential witness because the accusers mother used to name drop him all over the place as being one of her great friends. Kobe gave money to the boy for his medical bills, even though they were fully covered by insurance. He can testify as to whether or not he was played by this family.

Now don't get me wrong guys and gals, Michael Jackson is one of the best record producers of all time and I listen happily to his music. But this guy is messed up, whether it is from his childhood I don't know and I am sure in many cases this cannot be an excuse... how many people have a 'normal' childhood? Now with some of the cases against him I do believe it is a fact that the sick families are just trying to screw him for money (anyone heard about his multi million dollar in the red bank account?).
But I cannot accept that every single lawsuit ever brought against him that he has won was fairly represented, otherwise I can guarentee he would be in jail. If this was any ordinary guy off the streets I think you all know with this many people crying 'pedofile' and so many different 'odd things' happening they would have been thrown in a cell with the most cruel criminals the system could find to give them a taste of their own medicine.
I hope that these accusations are not true but I can say with almost certainty that they are.
So many coincidences can not happen...

Michael Jackson's very talented but totally screwed up by something in his past. Honestly, he made himself from a hunk into a freak. Totally screwed. Hope for his sake charges are bogus, if not he'd better get help fast. HOWEVER, your attempt at being funny just isn't so. Don't ditch his friends man. It's . VERY disrespectful. Everybody has flaws and problems. WHAT"S yours? Thinking you're king shit?!!

It;s true. he probably did sexually abuse those kids but man, who am I to say thats wrong. I'm not king shit.

Well said Jan, everyone has their problems, everyone has their own opinion about what is a problem and what is not and also everyone has their own thoughts as to what has and hasn't happened at MJ's Ranch, I guess this is the good thing about having many people in a jury...
His music is great, his career has always been a little odd, he never had much of a chance to be a kid til he made his own career... draw your own conclusions from that as to why he is who he is now.

words of wisdom Joe Bloggs

Some interesting suggestions from Dr Pat.
It hadn't occured to me that the defense might be planning to use Jacko's barking mad friends........ (and they are all bonkers even if they are his mates,or because of it) as a lesson and a plea in mitigation for the trials of celebrity life.

Its a distinct possibility.I must confess I really did think that they were just trawling around for his celebrity mates, or indeed ANY friends who'd be willing to testify on his behalf.I'm grateful to the good Doctor because that does now seem a bit stoopid.

I doubt that they'll try to present a litany of woe,misery and childhood maladjustment on Jackson behalf and have it backed up by the other misfits.It wouldn't go down too well with the jury would it?.That would only be of any use if he had already been found guilty, and that seems less likely everyday.

Finally there are a couple of things that bother me.
Without wanting to insult these people Michaels friends really are nutters.I mean looking at the list of celeb's they all share defects of nature or nurture which leaves them strangely isolated from the rest of society.Are these his only celebrity friends or are they the only ones with the gonads to stand up and support a man they believe to be innocent?

and

Why was Jackson's father in court?
I thought he was supposed to hate his father for beating him when he was a child.Its not going to seem very convincing later on if the defense tries to blame Michael's father for all his problems.That avenue is now firmly closed.

Sdd67, let me help you because you are floundering. Clueless. Leno is there because he has encountered the Arvizo's and escaped thankfully. Tucker is there because he and MJ were with the Arvizo's and he knows the Gavin fella. Liz and Diana are there as character witnesses to clearly state that they have known the man for years and they have never known him to be that way inclined. They may have had nephews or nieces stay at his house with no complaints, etc. Perhaps you should wait for them to be called before you run around like a headless chicken trying to figure out why and making no sense while at it. At least try to fit your speculations with the case at hand and not with your misguided ways of thinking.

As for Mj's father, your comment on that is DAFT and that's me being polite. If Mj is the first person you have heard of to have had a difficult relationship with a parent but have the parent stand by them in times of trouble then you need to explore outside your door at the very least, if the rest of your home city is too big for you.

Hi sandra it's james from the other forum the trial one. Well said it is documented that he hated his father when he was younger, to such a degree that he didn't even want to resemble him, but they have put it all behind them, so why should he have his father there?:-?

Having a brainstorm or something i meant why SHOULDN'T he have his father with him?

Didnt michael jackson :
1. put baby over the railing ?
2.didnt michael jackson put kids at risk -by take his kids to zoo etc with terrible crowds?
3. Didnt michael make his kids put scarfs over his head ?
4.what kind of man -has 12-14 yr old boys over -sleeps with them -lets them -see porn sites , he goes naked in front of them , he touches them inappropriate ways & licks them , etc Is this a man that is appropriate man to be father to his own children or is he do the same things to his own children ?
5. What kind of a woman -is debbie or the other woman to give children to this freak -was it for money or what?
6.why is micheal jackson late for trial constantly is he hide from the truth , does he have hidden agenda , is he want sympathy & have special priviledges -is he always want to manipulate the system?
7.what kind of man at age 20 still live at home has zoo animals has snow white &7 dwarfs come to his home & singing ?
8. Michael jackson had a relationship with Macaulah culkin {who now is mess up with drugs & stuff }Didnt cory feldman come out admit that when he was a teenager -mich jackson molest him -that contributed to him use drugs & do things cause it mess up his head ? How about that little boy he danced with carried to the awards show rather spend time with him than with brooke shields?
9.Here is michael jackson , he dont like his skin {bleached it } he didnt like his nose {had it worked on alot }how many other surgeries did he have done to himself ? why is he so embarassed about his private parts didnthe have surgery on them aswell ?
10.their is proof that mich jackson -as a child was put in a position to see -go go bars & sexual situations -that His dad violent & scared him & spank him that cause him to be a child predatur pediphile molestor ? HOw come the rest of the Michael children didnt turn out that way?
11.They said he was raised , Jevohvah witness , which he had to lie to his mom that his dad was have sex with other women & the very girls that was come to the Jackon's shows -OR is the religion so fantactial that it mess up a person mind that you dont enjoy even a simple birthday -not to use a doctor?
12.Isnt their proof that Mich Jackson was taught to lie -so isnt he good at lying and covering up what he does & use any method of twist turn it around and throw spot light on someOne else as to keep himself from get in trouble ?13.Isnt the way that mich jackson talks hhigh Pitched that it seems he try to imitate a female & with cloths & makeup? 14.Since mich jackson was accused of molest a boy in 1993 he paid him off -wouldnt that tell you something when he paid out the money?15.Dont pediphiles -give gifts & money & candy & toys to lure children to them & even to help them find something for them & dont they use tricks to fool a kid & dont they even set up their property to lure kids to a predature home-neverland ranch -isnt suppose copy -disney land -peterpan -which he trys to play?

God kows where you got all those ridicoulous facts from but no offence what have you got to back all of these statements up?, the tabloids?,to listen to some people it's a witch hunt not a modern day trial.ie: A person is a witch if they float?, and if they drown theyr'e not?,now either way the innocent/guilty person loses their life,in other words is somebodys guilt based on whether somebody "thinks" they are thank god we have modern day trials is all i can say!.

The crowd: "She's a witch!"
"Yeah, she's a witch!"
"A witch!"
"She turned me into a newt!" says one man. Faced with the obvious, however (he's not a newt), he recants, "Well... I got better..."

Michael Jackson's own actions and statements have brought him to this; in which a family (who may or may not be lying) can convince the court there's enough reason to try him for something MJ may or may not have actually done.

The point of the trial is to determine which of those either-or cases is fact.

As for the celebrity witnesses, as sd667 says, they all share defects of nature or nurture which leaves them strangely isolated from the rest of society. I would say, rather, that they have also experienced the isolation that comes with talent and celebrity.

This is far from a "defect of nature" - it is more a result of being on the receiving end of naked greed and envy, thus calling them to testify is a smart move for the defense. Particularly if Leno and Tucker have had direct experience with MJ's accusers.

Here here drpat!

It may not count as a defect of nature but I'd say its definitely a defect of nurture but I can see it sounds a bit harsh.Whether they will make good character witnesses is another matter.The testimony from the celeb's who've had previous experience of the family I imagine will be daming and I certainly won't cry about the mother getting her comeupance.
We don't want to loose sight of the fact that this doesn't mean that Jackson is innocent.Choosing vulnerable children is route1.....and these kids are extremely vulnerable.

My point about Jacksons father seems to have been misinterpreted.I was very surprised to see Joe Jackson supporting his son.No problem with families looking out for each other.....thats good,but I was under the impression that relations between all the family and Joe was very bad indeed and further that Michael himself was very isolated from his brothers and sisters.If that is just as a result of reading the wrong/right kind of newspapers then I'm sorry.The ins-and-outs of Michael's life is not something I have ever spent any time researching until now.If I wish to speculate on whats going to happen on the basis of the evidence that I'm given then thats what I'll do thankyou Sandra, thats how public trial works.

I've been surprised also at how the core evidence is going to be finished within the first 2 weeks.After which pressumably the trial with ramble on for another few months.After the defence has told us what a bitch the mother is and how she's tried to(allegedly) rip people off her whole life, it will still be this first 10/12 days where it will be decided.

And..............doing the Prima Ballerina routine will not win him any favors with the judge.I'm sorry he's got a sore back but he doesn't seem to understand that he is now in the realm of life where he has to account for himself......be he guilty or innocent.When I first heard her hadn't turned up I wondered whether or not he'd decided to run for it.And clearly the judge thought the same.
Michael,...... Bit of advice mate!......your up on some serious charges,get to court on time.

On the theme of celeb's who have to account for themselves its an interesting paradox that while they bemoan their life's being examined so minutely (while also using the media to their own advantage) that some feel they can do whatever they like and never have to answer for it.My (real) experience has been that during the initial stages of fame they try their best to behave like everyday human beings, despite the media storm that goes on around their ears, by playing down their stardom with a humble:
"I'm just Jenny from the block" routine.
This stage lasts for about 12 months before it turns into a self-righteous tirade along the lines of:
"Don't you know who I am ?"
(I'm exaggerating to make the point,....yes,....some celeb's ARE top people)

What Michael needs (how many years have we all been saying that what Michael needs is a really good shag! ???),is someone to sit him down and explain that guilty or innocent he needs to be seen as a human being and to act like one.
It was no doubt fun while it lasted but this man can no longer live in a dream/fantasy world given his current situation.He's a man in his 40's accused of a sexual crime.His decision to do the Bashir program was an attempt to resurrect a career that was in a lull and to brave his way though the allegations he had faced in '93.

Where is he getting this dreadful advice?

Lets show some compassion people!!! This is a man that was severly abused, mentally, verbally, as well as physically, mix that with millions of dollars and a life that has always been in the public eye and you have your self a FUCKED UP individual!!! Lets see you live his life and turn out sane!! Not possible. I am not excusing his behavior, however who didn't see this coming. Micheal has been screaming for help for years!! Too bad that our society has no sympathy for mentally ill people!!!!!!

We have sympathy for the mentally ill; but not for child abusers.

michael jackson is innocent leave him alone. he love children. he is a nice man.

michael is innocent.

Its looking less and less likely that he's innocent.The testimony from the housekeeper was just another nail in the coffin I'm afraid.
'God is in the Detail'...so they say and in a case where the final decision will be based on circumstantial evidence, by virtue of it being one persons word against another,the detail is necessary to deliver a guilty verdict.
And the details are building.

The image the housekeeper created of daily life inside Neverland is a paedophile's dreamworld not a child's.
I admire the fans who are sticking by him,it takes guts to stand by people in bad situations,.........and none of us wants the allegations to be true because it would mean he had harmed children.
Unfortunately the details just keep coming.

mj is innocent.and that's it

T.S.

They wanna get my ass
Dead or alive
You know he really tried to take me
Down by surpriseI bet he missioned with the CIA
He don't do half what he say

Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sheddon is a cold man
Tom Sheddon is a cold man
Tom Sheddon is a cold man

He out shock in every single way
He'll stop at nothing just to get his political say
He think he bad cause he's BSTA
I bet he never had a social life anyway
You think he brother with the KKK?
I know his mother never taught himright anyway
He want your vote just to remain TA.
He don't do half what he say

Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sheddon is a cold man

Tom S. Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man

Does he send letters to the FBI?
Did he say to either do it or die?

Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man

Tom S. Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man

Tom S. Sneddon is a cold man

I believe it's due to circulatory problems

Well... what can I say, there have been a few interesting posts since I have been away! And some of course ridiculous ones... Cherie, I don't know what tabloid filled small town you come from, don't believe all the gossip... yeah he has done dumb things... who hasn't. The mother in this latest trial is the dumbest I have known... if you hear that someone takes little boys into bed and does bad things and then you let your son into their bed... now thats dumb. Or was it, there are psycho mums who put their kids through beauty pagents and into the media when they are very young to make some money. So why wouldn't some psycho mum put her kid in the bed with an accused peodophile to milk this star for all the money she can.
I can't say MJ did anything or didn't do anything, nothing has been proved although there is a lot of evidence against him.

But from what I see, MJ is about finished anyway, he has little money left, he hasn't been making much while in court and his lawer doesn't come cheep, expect to find neverland attractions on Ebay rather soon.

Well,.....he's innocent,.....thats what the court said and thats what we must all accept as the truth.

But he will not be allowed within an inch of my son,.......thats certain.

How many of his protectors are women?...........too many.

How many of his protectors are women?...........too many.

OK, and what is that supposed to mean?

Now I'll open up the proverbial can of worms. Has anyone even remotely considered the possibility that MJ is honest about what he feels? Is it possible that adults did betray him and children did not? Is it possible that he is a living Peter Pan who does not want to be an adult? Is it possible that while he had all these boys sleeping in his bedroom it wasn't about sex at all but about companionship and unconditional love?

To me it's inconceivable... but is it possible?

**Lets show some compassion people!!! This is a man that was severly abused, mentally, verbally, as well as physically, mix that with millions of dollars and a life that has always been in the public eye and you have your self a FUCKED UP individual!!! Lets see you live his life and turn out sane!! Not possible. I am not excusing his behavior, however who didn't see this coming. Micheal has been screaming for help for years!! Too bad that our society has no sympathy for mentally ill people!!!!!!**


Hmmm...I was severely abused as a child...severely...and am bipolar...so mentally ill...and I think...they need to castrate the freak. All he says...lies. If he was only concerned about children...there would be girl children around too. ..Oh...and also I majored in psychology in college.... That it was only boy children...it's called a preferential pedophile. ...and being sympathetic to the mentally ill...does not mean...you allow someone who endangers people...to run loose.
Madspirit

God kows where you got all those ridicoulous facts from but no offence what have you got to back all of these statements up?, the tabloids?,to listen to some people it's a witch hunt not a modern day trial.ie: A person is a witch if they float?, and if they drown theyr'e not?,now either way the innocent/guilty person loses their life,in other words is somebodys guilt based on whether somebody "thinks" they are thank god we have modern day trials is all i can say!.