Looks and sounds great. The last time I saw NIN was on The Fragile tour and I have to say, it's in my top 3 concerts of all time. Reznor knows how to put on a show. And APC opening wasn't bad either.

interesting - my question is how many care anymore? Does a return to "industrial" mean a return to relevance and popularity? I have no doubt about the talent, but much less confidence in the judgment and motivation

Peter Gabriel releases an album about once every six years and nobody questions the relevance or importance of his choices to use world percussionists. Same goes for David Byrne (though Byrne does release more material). When Metallica released St. Anger, nobody wondered why they wanted to return to speed metal. It may not have had the impact they wanted, but many fans were happy with it.

The Fragile had a lot of spacey and slower songs to it. It did, however, reignite the goth community for a bit and gave a younger crowd a place to jump in.

I'm sure that many people will be happy to see a return to the more "industrial" based sound he had on Broken and The Downward Spiral.

I just don't have the sense that many younger people give a shit about Nine Inch Nails - we'll see

The man has changed a lot for the better. Apparently, from what I've read, he's off the drugs and alcohol, gets exercise, and generally cares about his life more. I'm sure he wouldn't say no to the money, but he might not want the fame as much as people think.

Then again, speculation is speculation...

I disagree with you Eric - the younger generation seems to be more into the industrial sound more than you think - perhaps the new NIN album will bring in a new generation of NIN fans - I'm sure the speed of his tour selling out will show this to be true...

I also saw NIN last on the Fragile tour, and it was indeed the best concert I've seen - which is why i'm looking forward to seeing NIN this year - even though they'll be playing more of the new stuff and less of the old - I'm sure the concert will be another one of the best.

how old are you?

I think that Reznor's seeming inability to put out music more than once every 5-6 years works to his advantage. By the time the next album comes out, a whole new generation of listeners is out there just waiting to be exposed to the music of a band they might know nothing about. His angsty schtick sells well to teens who are all about angst. They eat this stuff up. Were he to release an album every year to two years like other artists, so fans would "grow up" with his music, people would be really sick and tired of the constant angst. And by the time a new album rolls out the door, many of those who clung so tightly to his music when they were younger are older now and the album and tour might stir some nostalgia. So now his album releases are like EVENTS, simply due to their rarity.

I saw NIN on the Downward Spiral tour - THAT was a massive wall of furious sound, the likes of which sadly eclipse what he accomplished on the Fragile tour, as evidenced by the live release. The Fragile touring band was a more seasoned band, but the Downward Spiral tour band was a much more vicious beast, as was Reznor at the time. It was truly a stunning spectacle. (Psst, Trent, if you're reading this, get the damned DVD for Closure out already, dammit.)

in attempting self-analysis on the matter, perhaps it is the case that I am just sick of the asshole

I'm a mid twenties guy, which makes me younger than a lot of people posting on here, and I was shocked at how young the people going to see NIN on The Fragile tour were.

Or maybe Eric, you are a cranky, old fart?

I, for one, and looking forward to something I can never have!!

After pondering, I think NIN might be done. But then I thought that about Manson too.

Jason,

When you're all done pondering, you'd better make sure to call Trent to tell him he's done, I mean you don't want him out there selling tons or records and concert tickets to all the misinformed folks who aren't as smart as you are.

Jason,

Marilyn Manson just called. He requests that you keep it on the down low about him being done. He doesn't want you jeopardizing his amazing run on red hot actresses and '50's era throwback stripper babes. Oh, and he says sorry about the lame Depeche Mode cover.

which wasn't as bad as the even lamer Eurythmics cover

I wonder just how many people are eagerly awaiting the NIN record, too.



Peter Gabriel had a string of hits from multiple albums for several years before he became a recluse. NIN had one monster album and I do not think one of those singles actually charted (mainly because half the song had to be fucking bleeped). NIN had a brief moment in the sun, but has barely registered a blip on the wider pop culture scene since that. This is not an indictment on Reznor's talent nor is it meant to diminish the fervor of the faithful.

Personally, I am not a big NIN guy. I know there are some people who cannot wait for this new record, but I do not think there are throngs of music fans the world over who are shitting their shorts in anticipation. The diehards will buy the CD and the tour will be successful but I think a return to the psuedo-dominance of the mid-90's is unlikely.

that's about where I am, well said

Just out of curiosity, and I'm not trying to make a point here, but which is better:
1.Having an insanely successful hit record that sells a crap ton of copies right off;
or,
2.Having an album that goes platinum once or twice, but consistently sells over the next decade?

I would personally prefer 2 as it means you have stood the test of time rather than being involved with some kind of momentary frenzy

I think Reznor's albums will have legs because every generation has a group of youngsters looking to hear lyrics like "God is dead, and no one cares..."

I'd actually like to see some instrumental work where the angsty lyrics take a back seat to his production genius.

Mr. B, I have always hoped that Reznor would put out an instrumental project. Instrumentals are a specialty of his - he makes such cinematic work that it's almost a shame to saddle them with his often inane, pedantic lyrics. Sadly, he claims there are no instrumental pieces on the new album. Well, we can hope for the many singles and EPs that are sure to arise from With Teeth. He's always managed to make value-packed singles, that's for sure.

yea, instrumental Reznor would be great.

i just can't take the non-stop nihilistic lyrics anymore (hmmm...maybe i never liked 'em to begin with).

I agree: instrumentals would be very cool. The brutal hard-rocking anger is fine and he has done it very well, but hasn't he already down it?

I think the closest we got to instrumentals were some of the tracks on The Lost Highway soundtrack (which has some very cool Bowie work on it as well). I always wished those tracks were longer.

to the earlier comment. i've just hit my twenties and listen to NIN. does that make me young and relevant??

as to his influence and his being one blip on a radar....who owns the music you listen to? look into that. see how many ex NIN band members are involved. before you bitch about trent understand the industry a bit.

Yes, Reznor's musical output is limited. One album in the late 80's, a couple of albums in the nineties, as well as a few EPs and the occasional single. His music is great because he concentrates 5 years of angst, fear, and isolation into an intense and unapologetic 60+ minute soundscape. If his music was a scent, it would be a pure essential oil. The strongest most potent form of that particular aroma. A single drop would stink up the place for a few weeks. Everything that Reznor comes out with blows me away every time because of its unusual structure, bizarre rythyms, and unique combinations of sound. His music is not "stuck" in the 90's as some of you claim (especially you, Eric) because it's still way ahead of it's time. Actually, it's damn near timeless. Besides, this latest batch of music is more about the collapse of his now defunct recording company, Nothing records. The recording company he worked so hard for so many years to put together. From what I've gathered, he had a falling out with his old business Manager as well as with a few "business associates". All of this occured as this new album was being pieced together. So you can bet that this newest musical offering, "With Teeth", is going to be the most angry and potent music that he's ever written.
Yes, Reznor's music is relevant, just as it will be twenty years from now when a 13 year old picks up a copy of "The Downward Spiral" for the first time and is once again blown away by its originality.

Exactly, TSS - I often listen to songs from 'Pretty Hate Machine' and enjoy them as much as the first time I heard them back in 1990! Do I dare compare Trent to Pink Floyd? They're not that much different - both are/were ahead of their time - and listening to their music today is just as enjoyable as when it was first released...

Greetings to all!

I don't know how relevant this comment will be, but, fuck it, I post it none the less. Trent's music is some of the most incredible I've ever heard. I've only known about Nin for six months, but I've ravenously devoured as much of it as I could find.

Why? Because I identify with it, totally and completely. It isn't the anger or the angst, it's that relentless outpouring of emotion. reznor's ability to express himself is, I think, amazing. It's the portrait of his life, and it's so beautifully intricate and complex that after hearing one album, you can't help but want more.

and, for me at least, it's so applicable! When I first heard the downward Spiral, I didn't know what to think. I couldn't appreciate it. The fragile, on the other hand, spoke to me. A man trying to put his life back together after losing all stability, but stil trying to fight for controll of his own mind. ... there's much more to it, but, ... moving on.

Now, however, it's reversed. DTS is, well, profound. It's a man trying to find purpose, looking for something to live for, something to stabilize his mind and satiate his sexual need. It's a man torn between the supposed grace God offers and his need to controll by being controlled. But, that's my interpretation, and it's so much more than that.

I'm completely rambling. sorry. My point was supposed to be that Nin's albums, from Pretty Hate Machine to the fragile, are an ongoing saga. I just hope with Teeth continues that tradition.

I thought anger and angst were emotions, Zora? I do agree with you however. It is the ease with which he displays his various emotions and blends it in with his music that makes the music so vital. Let's just say that the guy is fucking incredibly talented and makes fantastic music, and that he's a shining star in an otherwise dark sea of bland, crappy, and uninspiring music. In the history of "popular" music (if you can even truely call it that) there have only been a few bands or people that I've found just as unique and original as Reznor's NIN. The Beatles, The Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart, David Bowie, Pink Floyd (I'm with you Zaldor), the Doors, the Stooges, Roxy Music, Joy Division, Kraftwerk, Bauhaus, U2, Throbbing Gristle, The legendary Pink Dots, Skinny Puppy, Sonic Youth, the Cure, the Smiths, Ministry, the Pixies, Nirvana and most recently Garbage, the Flaming Lips and Radiohead. All of these bands or people, were/are unique, were/are ahead of their time, and were/are very influential. All have written at least one if not many "Classic" albums, and all are among my favorites. Not only have many of these had an influence on Reznor, but many have been adept at "pouring forth emotion" just as well as Reznor. What stuff do you guys like? Is there anything new or newer that's out that you've experienced and really liked? I don't know about you, but a whole lot of the music that's out there now sucks ass. What do you think?
TSS

laughs Yeah, those are emotions. Silly me! clears throat anyways, you got the point.

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Hmm, music that' efected me? Nothing comes close to Nin, but a Perfect Circle's newest album, EmotivE, was pretty fucking amazing. I've a strong opinion on the war, that is, against it and Bush, and that album made me feel, well, not alone.

Now you may say that most teenagers are against the war, but, I'm from arkansas, and alass, while I'm not one to promote stereotypes, the majority of arkansans deserve to be, as they are, the fourty eighth state in education. Thank god for Mississippi!

Of course, Pink Floyd, who doesn't love them? It took me a while to get in to dark side of the Moon, but once I did, I discovered it's great. Not as good as The Wall, in my opinion, at least, but stil damn good.

Yeah, deffinetly like u2, but I have't heard enough to say I love them.

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Do any of you know Philip Glass? Really phenomenal composer, a totally new genre of music! He's effected me, I'd say, because listening to Music in Twelve Parts, Koyaanisqatsi, or Einstein on the Beach, ... all put me in a very relaxed state of mind.

Ah, Enigma as well, same effect.

Shit, well, it's two in the morning here, so it's time to depart and go nightnight

Can we all just be happy that one of the true talents in music is blessing us w/ some new sh**!!!! It has been way too long TR!!!


For all you critics... name one album better than the fragile since its release!?

Ted: You really aren't one of those fans, are you? The kind that are so blinded by their lust that they can't see beyond their band of choice? I couldn't possibly list out the albums that are better then The Fragile - that list would be massive. While it's a good album and even great in places, there's certainly been a lot more consistently excellent albums in the last six years - Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot springs immediately to mind, Elvis Costello, and a buttload of others that I don't feel like typing out. However, if we're talking genre-wise, then yes, The Fragile is one of the best industrial releases in the last 6 years - but that's not saying much, now is it?

Got a boot of "The line begins to blur".....Anyone else find some music from "With Teeth"? I have never been so excited about an albumas this one!!! (Well, maybe APC)

Shane, I got an mp3 of "The Line Begins To Blur" too, and it sounds great. I'm really looking forward to the new album. Haven't gotten anything else from it, though. Guess we'll just have to be patient.

The Younger generation sucks. NIN rules. I'd be willing to sacrifice the younger generation for more NIN.

ERic,

I think NIN is as relevent as ever, or will be upon its release. I know a fair amount of teenagers who are into that scene. A lot of them only know a bit about NIN, but upon the album's release word will spread quickly of NIN's career -- the kids love myth making and creating legends.

I think NIN is in a good position for restablishing themselves amoungst a new hardcore fanbase, while also keeping the old fans. Few bands have done it, but that long break between now and the last album was a smart move I think.

I find it odd that you keep mentioning the lack of interest or knowledge about NIN by the younger generation. I'm nineteen, living in Arkansas, and I don't know anyone my age who doesn't know about the band and heard at least a couple songs. Personally, I have PHM, DS, and the fragile and can't wait for the new album.

NIN will definitely be relevant if their singles on With Teeth take off.

Why? Competition.

NIN is up against Linkin Park, whose insipidly melodic (this from a Coldplay fan) songs and overwrought (this from a NIN fan) lyrics are just too easy to beat.

Eric is dead wrong.

The Fragile will have gone triple platinum in 2 years or less. That'll mean it sold FAR more than Pretty Hate Machine (2.7 platinum approx.)

The Fragile has generated a HUGE cult following. Sure, Nickelback fans might not get it, but the educated music listeners will.

With Teeth seems to be a return to Pretty Hate Machine. I listened to the singles, and The Hand That Feeds sounds, roughly, like a mix of the following:

40% Pretty Hate Machine
35% Broken
10% TDWS
5% Fragile
10% With Teeth

Not a terribly unexpected song (we'll leave that baby to "only" ). Also, The Line Begins to Blur is 50% Fragile.

To sum up my difficult-to-emote thoughts, this album aims to please the cult followers, the Fragile fans, and should have no trouble winning kids' hearts and minds (at least for a month or two, before Limp Bizkit and Metallica do a collab and are subsequently parodied for life by their fanbases).

NIN doesn't have any major obstacles. I estimate the CD will hit #3 on the charts, the singles will go as high as #7, and the album will say around #20 until 3 months after its release.

And Eric, once again, look at the "relevant" artists. Even Korn is still slowly slipping off yet it has hits.

Eminem? Dead. Still has hits.

Nickelback?

The last CD wa abysmal. Hits.

Maroon 5. "She Will Be Loved" tears apart the charts and sucks all the way.

"Limp" by Linkin Bizkit-182 scores a #1 Modern Rock Radio hit.


*the hand that feeds* hits #2 Modern Rock and Gothic stations, stays there for 3 weeks. Wouldn't surprise me one little bit.

Any thoughts, people?

Expecting NIN to reach Downward Spirol success again is like expecting Columbus to discover more Americas.

By being loyal to the intellegence of his fans he has garnered in return a severely loyal following and will never HURT for money or attention as long as he is willing to tour.

BUT on the upside Johnny Cash went out BIG and did not just fade away. There are ups and lows in every career and with great people sometimes its not quality that hinders its timing of the market.

And as someone said Manson fell off and came back again marketwise.

I will follow Reznor till he pulls a "Head" like Korn.

Also the market is starved for some aggression. All the hard music has been taken off the radio because of the war and Janets stunt AND H Sterns censorship standoff. It sucks.

System of a Down comes out and becomes the most overwhelmingly suggested song. Why? People are starved for aggression and NIN can deliver that.

Nothings marketing has made good moves (Spirol rereleases) and Im sure Reznor has made good music so I guess we will see if pop culture will punish or reward genius.

I don't know if anybody cares what SPIN magazine has to say or offer. But they rated Trent Reznor the most influential artist of the 1990's .... a big #1 in their eyes. I tend to agree. How many guys come along and have to have a new category of music created for them at the Grammy Awards. In an era where every band was trying to sound like Pearl Jam and Nirvana comes Reznor with Boombastic beats and jagged guitar rips and an ability to insight and ignite the anger from within yourself and bring it to the for front.

I'm glad to hear there are so many Reznor fans around, I thought most had faded away. And Che, he didn't create industrial, but he did do very creative things with it and created a powerful synthesis.

Words cannot express how much I have enjoyed NIN the past 12 years. I still listen to PHM and Broken as well as the others. But I feel that some of the more "industrially ignorant" people on this forum give a little too much credit to Trent for the genre. Many bands sparked Trents style tendancies. Most notably Skinny Puppy, Front 242, KMFDM, and a whole boat load of 80's artists, as well as Pink Floyd. Pop in a Skinny Puppy cd like Vivisect IV and listen to the music. You could re-structure the songs more "Pop" style and add pop vocals such as Reznors and you could end up with pretty damn close to a Nails song. Not knocking Trent, one of my favs. But many bands paved the landscape for Trents success, and cult following. I hope with teeth rocks, i was a little dissapointed with the line begins to blur mp3.

I agree with you Zac, Skinny Puppy was a huge influence on Reznor, but so was Ministry especially early Ministry. Half of the songs on "The Land of Rape and Honey" and "Twitch" have a Reznor style flair. Not to mention that Al Jourgensen and Reznor are good friends. Also, you forgot to mention the Great Grand Daddy of the "Industrial" genre, Throbbing Gristle! Bands like Throbbing Gristle and Killing Joke were experimenting with sound and laying down fucked up fuzz guitar distortion to dance music tracks with warped synths in the 1970s when Reznor was still in elementary school! Also, how can you forget Kraftwerk? They were an incredible all synth band that pioneered the "Electronic Music" genre, and also reached their peak in the 1970s. Kraftwerk was a huge influence on many, many, bands but especially the "Industrial" ones. Non-Industrial bands also had a profound impact on Reznor. Of coure Pink Floyd was important, but so was Joy Division. Some of Reznor's slower, more melodic concoctions drip of Ian Curtis and company. Reznor even covered one of Joy Division's songs, "Dead Souls", on "The Crow" soundtrack. There are of course many more artists that influenced Reznor, but these are a few of the more deserving ones, whose names deserve to be mentioned.

No doubt man. However i didnt neglect to mention anyone, i just didnt feel like listing all of them, i just mentioned the ones that people not too fluent in industrial music might recognize. throbbing gristle is a pretty obscure band, and i just figured alot of the people on the forum wouldnt know who they were. Trent was also influenced by bands synthpop groups like DM. Skinny puppy was listed mainly because of popularity and musical similarities....trent never did do any vox processing like ogre tho. What a cool thing that would be.

Line begins to blur really grows on ya though, I'm starting to think that getting Dave Grohl (sp) involved was a damn good idea. I think Trent's a very talented chap who hasn't had much luck with the pencil pushers in the music industry, and I hope the new album does well.

Einsturzende Neubauten, people. They did it all way before pretty much everone but Throbbing Gristle, and they continue to do it today. And better than anyone else.

I was up above it

I thought you were down in it, Eric?

"Just out of curiosity, and I'm not trying to make a point here, but which is better:
1.Having an insanely successful hit record that sells a crap ton of copies right off;
or,
2.Having an album that goes platinum once or twice, but consistently sells over the next decade?"

As an aside, I heard on the radio this AM that ZZ Top's Eliminator, which I think came out in '83, goes platinum every three years. Must be nice.

all together now: "That's because it has legs"

Wow, I came here searching for info on With Teeth and found tons of great comments bringing back lots of memories. I've heard 3 songs off the new CD and to me it's his best work in years. Broken remains my favorite NIN release because it was a heavy aggressive style industrial... but PHM has that special place because I listened to that CD almost every day for a year :)

I agree, Ministry / Skinny Puppy were huge influences... only wish Trent would have done more stuff with Al. I haven't been this anxious for an industrial CD in years. Will it bring new life to the industrial scene? Who knows, but who really cares??? I hated hearing a bunch of drunk frat boys singing Closer so in a way I want it to be somewhat obscure.

oh, since there is so much interest here, my review of the first Lollapalooza with NIN, including an interview with Trent is here

I havent read most of the previous comments because I dont currently have enough time...I will come back and read them later.

Because I have just turned 15, I am not fully aware of what influence NIN had in he past. I am fascinated with what they have done, and cant wait for this new work.

Consider this a common responce from my general age group. NIN are still very well known and respected in today's youth/rock/industrial culture.

If my opinion isnt valid, please let me know.

thanks Jessica, your opinion is valid as far as I'm concerned

All this talk about Trent's music not having any relevance with younger crowds....bull. To prove that wrong, you only need look at how quickly EVERY SINGLE north american show for the upcoming tour sold out, and look at the people next to you in line. I was one of the people lucky enough to get tickets for one of the Chicago shows, and I am 22 years old. As I looked through the line of approximately 60 people waiting anxiously for their tickets, a vast majority of them were younger than myself. The kid in line behind me was 13 and knew almost as much about NIN as I do. The only way younger generations won't be into this music is if it's not available. Go to Best Buy right now and try to find one of the first four halos...thank you TVT records. This newest installment of the NIN saga is going to be filled with angsty, aggressive music written by a man who has been deceived by practically everyone that he considered to be a friend. You can bet after six years of B.S. with managers, record companies, and fellow musicians that he has A LOT to say and a STRONG WAY of saying it. I haven't been as excited for a CD since...well since i awaited the release of the fragile. Reznor's music is timeless. The man is a genius, lyrically and instrumentally. The wide range of genres he's explored amazes me more so every time I pop in an NIN cd(which is atleast once a day). The man has done everything from techno beats to pounding machines to singing along with a piano. His range of ability alone displays his unarguable talent. Well, I've rambled long enough. Time to listen to The Line Begins to Blur for the 23482385th consecutive time. Can't wait for the tour, and thanx for listening...JaSoNiN
P.S....just posted today on NIN.com was info there will be a fall tour across north america with tickets going on sale in June. Good luck to all those who couldn't get tix this time....
II I I/I

I have been a fan of NIN since the release of PHM. Needless to say I have come a long way since then, and STILL appreciate Trent Reznor's work.

I feel this newest album will prove to be much more accesible than The Fragile. Starting with the first single "The Hand That Feeds", NIN will begin to rise again in popularity.

This is a rockin song people,....and it's just in time for summer.

And for what it's worth I thought The Fragile had only sold like under 900,000 copies to date.

Hi, just a quick comment because I read somewhere somebody would like to hear Trent do some instrumental music.

That is very interesting, because during 1996 I thought exactly the same thing, so I started to make industrial-like music without any singing.

I eventually found that there was a whole genre of music that was very similar, called IDM. This music has influenced Trent, and he has connections with IDM artists, namely Aphex Twin (who did a remix for FIXED) and Autechre (who were released in the USA through Nothing).

You can find a whole new world of music by researching just these two artists.

I have been into them since the late 80's. I caught their 2 dollar to get in, friends of the band only, warm up show for lollapolooza back in 91 at tipatina's in new orleans and have caught every show since except the david bowie bullshit tour. trent's show are always great, creative and different than the last one you saw. he has a better understanding of how to balance slow and fast songs to pace his shows than most. no offense to all of you but it seems like a lot of you are out of touch with what is going on now with the younger generation and music. i am heavily involved with a skateboard magazine and most of the people i skate with are 15-20 so i would consider myself a little more up to date than most poeple my age. i think the thing with the new generation is diversity. no one genre or band is really capable of dominating anymore (OK modest mouse did pretty good, but still), there is just too much stuff out there and with the internet it is all so easily assesible. it seems the thing now is just knowing more about every unheard of band and new gene on the planet than getting behind something that is big and well known. so i wouldn't expect for them to be a genre creatingrevitalizing band that people are talking about in this thread, (especially considering ministry just dropped a killer CD that barely got noticed outside of the metal community). but i wouldn't at all be suprised to see trent boldly go into the rare company of bands who have been able to put out 4 good LPs.

I dont think its the end of famous bands as Sleazy has stated. You are comming from an underground perspective. There is a mainstream: Slipknot, Linkin Park, SOAD.

There is a lul right now because of the war, hard music has been downplayed on radio and tv but its not permenent. Because of that 'safe rock' is the staple. AFI, Bad Charlotte, Chevelle, the killers, Lous XIV ect...

A 'Nirvana' or 'L Zeplin' or Hendrix' or 'NIN' will rise (Metaphorically speaking)

The most faceless and iconless music has ever been was during the 'rave' craze and even then we had Chemical Bros, Crystal Method, Fat Boy Slim, and Aphex Twin to represent as iconc individuals of the faceless nameless dj movement.

I am not saying it is the end of famous bands. I am just pointing out that what was special about NIN and bands like them is that they were underground. They were part of undergound scenes that the youth of the time aligned themselves with. They provide the common thread that helped to bind the whole underground culture that in the early 90s was industrial. Trent did not create that Genre but he did dominate it and proved to be the artist with the most logevity. I was pointing out that part of recapturing what they did back then would be to again be part of underground culture. I don't think they will be able to achieve that. Because for one, underground cultures are different now, people are more informed and good creative genres come and go all the time (dance punk, electroclash, emo, ect...). I don't think that NIN will be able to once again be apart of an underground scene that the youth are into because they are so big. I do think that they will be able to create another great album that might find some new younger "hot topic" fans but will most probably mean the most to the aging scene kids of years gone by, from a time when moshing was slaming and when goth was industrial.

Who CARES if NIN is relevant to younger people or not? Everything Reznor does is, in my opinion, better than the last project. The Fragile blows my mind every time I listen to it, even these years later. Even the remix projects are usually good; Things Falling Apart was, in my opinion, the only thing he's released that falls short. I can not WAIT to get my hands on With Teeth. And if it doesn't sell as well as the other albums, who cares? If Reznor no longer fits somebody's idea of "underground," who cares? WHO CARES? New NIN in 2005. What else needs to be said?

I just can't wait for the new album... But I couldn't care less if everyone else likes NIN as long as Trent keeps on making those tunes.

As a matter of fact, I think I enjoy "my music" more if it isn't liked by the masses. I know, it is a silly thing since the music sounds the same on my stereo regardless if the CD has sold 10 copies or 1 000 000. But it gives me a certain satisfaction that I am belonging to a limited group of people who have "discovered" their own little treasure. Although in the case of NIN we're not talking about sparkling gems...

I sure hope that NIN show up in Sweden...

The formula that made Downward Spiral such a success is the same one that is likely to be employed this time around, which will ensure that this album is hugely successful.

We know that all of the music Trent has ever written is incredible, albeit some has stood the test of time better than other.

The tour is sold out to get a buzz going -- Remember this is the first leg and its all small venues.

That will create a pent up demand for when NIN plays large venues, which will ensure that those sell out, as well.

Its marketing genius and will have nothing to do with the relevance or non-relevance, the age of the fans, NOTHING.

As for the music, I think it will stand on its own. I'm not in any way suggesting that NIN is not fantastic, because they are. I'm simply stating that many of you are missing the obvious here.

Would just like to say to Thomas Nordén that NiN will perform on the Hultsfred Festival this year, and that'll be their first concert ever in sweden.

So, be there.

Just wanted to say that I can not wait for this album to come out. Fragile really dissapointed me, but it must be hard to follow up albums like Pretty Hate Machine an Downward Spiral. I think it is going to do great. I have been hearing about this album since early last year, the word is deffinalty out there, the younger gen. is going to eat it up (I'm a 20 year old female, and I LOVE NIN, I have every album, and every song memorized). Hopefully rock will see it's rebirth very soon, I am so burnt out on r&b.

One more real quick comment. I am taking a History of Rock-and -Roll class at college this semester, I wrote a fifteen page term paper about Industrial rock, focusing on late 80's and early to mid 90's. There is no denying Trent's talent. Lete not forget that he made Manson the icon (couldn't think of a better word) that he is today. Trent is a genius, pure genius!

I can hardly contain myself 2 weeks till seeing NIN at Coachella and the new album!

Allot of good points brought up on this thread. Sorry to get geeked out :)

Greetings to all!

Well, I've heard the album! It's really excellent!!! Trent Reznor's not lost his touch in five years! Ah yes, his birthday's coming up soon, may 17.

While it's not a continuation of the story as i'd hoped, it is, in effect, a summation of the characters current thoughts and feelings, the way things are for him __now.

When I first heard the leaked copy of The Line Begins to Blur, I thought o shit, this is terrible! but, it's really not, it goes very well with the sort of music this album has, which is really not like anything he's ever done before. While stylisticly it reminds me of Pretty Hate Machine, that being that it's more musicly oriented than the Fragile or even DTS, it's actual genre of music is very unique.

All that being said, I love it!

Is it wrong of me, though, to not be completely satisfied, and to be reassuring myself that there will be progress, that the story will continue where it left off at the fragile? Hmmm.

NIN killed at Coachella. It was super intense and super tight. Mellow electronic beats played between brutal songs. I was hoping theyed play a spacial ambiant but they didnt (at least while i was there). Twiggy and Trent have great stage presence. This is one of the best concerts of my life.

I heard the album and its good. I appreciate it on a different level than the other albums. Its raw and accessable. I do miss the spacial rollercoasters of the past. Perfect Drug type stuff.

I just wanted to say to Adrian M. who posted back in Feb... you weren't too far off with your prediction on where "With Teeth" would debut. You said #3...it actually made #1 on the charts. And rightfully so.

Fuck all you naysayers.

NIN's music is here to stay and it is most definitely music that will stand the test of time.

Here Here Bri! I think this album sure put all the naysayers to rest.

I also should point out that when I saw NIN in Detroit a few weeks ago, there was a woman almost 10 yrs older than me (I'm 35) right up there on the floor as close as she could get!! She made it through about 3/4 of the NIN set, before I helped her crowd surf out ;)

Incredible show, and even better when you're *that* close!

NIN rocks. 'nuf said.

wow, i guess no one really uses this anymore, I have been listin to NIN since i was 11 years old and im now 17 living in ON Canada. I have 17 out of the 21 halos and have resently purchased the LP " Every day is excatly the same" only because it was like 8 bucks (Can. haha) and it was lacking material, only one EDIETS remix.
In regards to Nine inch nails and where it is today i believe that the amount of people (fans) that listen to NIN has stayed realitivly the same. Even after going gold (in the US) "With Teeth" has obviously not made that big of an impact as The Downward Spriral and i think no other future NIN albums will. If you look back at 1994 when TDS was release it had little compition, Kurt Kobain killed himself a month after the albums release and it caught on. Today is a clearly very much different, with the US 'acting as world police" and with every changing media ambitions it hard for an album to make a large impact on society. Trent also deals with people downloading music for free and using their stupid ipods and not actulay walking to a record store and buying an album as some are ment to be bought as a 'whole' and not chopped up and mixed around on mp3 players. Not to mention the every growing list of artists and band and the arrival of a shit load of crapy Rap and R&B artists who appeal to large audiene of dumb 13 year white kids who have little idea of what music is out there unless the T.V lets them know what "hot and new" or what their group of friends let them know.
So my point being is that Nine Inch Nails at least from wear i come from (Toronto) has little influence in the dime-minded people that fill my school and community.

(Is their another NIN 'album in the making since i read that Reznor stated he had lots of material that didn't make it on "with teeth"