Thanks for the reminder, Al!!!

In the good old days I used to mix with water, put in a wine glass and pretent to be sipping el vino!!!

Apple cider vinegar is EXCELLENT stuff!

You're more than welcome, Miss Angela. Try some tomato juice and vinegar, and give us your review.

Al,

It seems as though many vocal conservatives are also into herbal/natural remedies. Case in point: Michael Savage.

Can you elaborate on this phenomenon?

Eric Berlin
Dumpster Bust: Miracles from Mind Trash

I don't know, but I'm certainly willing to speculate wildly based on my own prejudices. My first guess would be that this would turn on philosophical belief in personal responsibility and self-sufficiency. If a cranky right winger isn't feeling good, they might be inclined to go hunt down something that will work for them, rather than leaning on the authority figures of doctors and hospitals.

On the other hand, I typically think of health food stores as a classic refuge for left wing nuts and hippie types.

Perhaps it's the wingnuts on all ends that are more likely to experiment with alternative medicine, leaving the mushy middle behind.

I think you're onto something...

How does the combination taste? I mean tomato juice and vinegar?

I simply make cucumber salad.
Recipe -
6 cucumbers, peeled and sliced thin
1/3 cup applecider vinegar
1 cup water
2-3 small cloves of Garlic, minced fine or put through a garlic press
1/2 Tablespoon salt
1 heaping Tablespoon sugar

Salt down the thinly sliced cucmbers and mix. Place in refrigerator for a minimum of 1 1/2 hours. Refrigerate overnight if possible. This step is critical because it draws the cucumber juices out.
Mix again when you remove it from the fridge and sample a slice. It should be distinctly salty, if it is not add a little more salt.
sugar
Add the applecider vinegar, the water, the garlic, and the sugar and mix well and serve while still cold.

It tastes so good, I can't help but drink the vinegar juices after the cucumbers are eaten. It tastes even better after the second and third day of refrigeration.

okay, but what are the tangible benefits if you don't have high blood pressure, aren't on diuretics and don't have the slightest idea about Ph?

Methinks Al had the bejesus scared out of him recently, enough to send him to the free-range food aisle at the market.

here are the supplements I take twice daily:

multiple vitamin
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
St John's Wort
Saw Palmetto
Milk Thistle

Echinacea, only if I feel something untoward coming on

Eric, what are the bennies of Saw Palmetto and Milk Thistle?

saw palmetto is for prostate health so you don't to worry much about that; milk thistle is for the liver, so the more other things you take, the more important to look after liver, since your liver has to process all that stuff, some of which is very hard on it

Thanks -- I don't need the saw palmetto, but the hubby is aging right along with me, so he might be interested. ;-)

BTW, do you think we should tell Al that his participle is dangling?

Anyhow, mixed as a tomato juice/vinegar tonic, I might actually manage to regularly enough consume vinegar to get the benefit.

Who wants to volunteer to mix Al?

the dangled participle is perhaps a consequence of the loose screw, or vice versa

8-D

Eric - What's your take on the St. John's Wort? I've heard varying things about it.

I take a multi-vitamin with some ginseng, fish oil w/ Omega 3 fatty acid, and a chondrotin supplement for joints.

St. John's Wort really helps regulate my moods: I have been much more generally cheerful and focused on the positive since I started with it several years ago. I would think it would be beneficial for just about anyone who is in the "normal" moodswing range: ie not clinically bipolar but not perpetually sunny-ass either

Thanks Eric. My wife's an RN and seems to have something against it, but I've heard good things from other places. I may well give it a shot: cheerful focus is a good thing, me thinks.

I am not aware of anything negative other than it being used by people who ARE clinically bipolar and it isn't strong enough to work for them

Byron was a noted proponent of drinking vinegar for health and weight loss. The "mad, bad and dangerous to know" poet insisted on a glass instead of wine with each meal.

It probably worked, too - certainly, drinking a couple of ounces of vinegar would kill the appetite!

George Gordon, Lord Byron, died of a fever contracted while fighting against the Turks in Greece before he reached the age of 40.

I think writing all that damned poetry is probably what really killed him

I would think of St John's Wort as a mild mood elevator. Roughly, I consider St John's Wort to be to Prozac as a cup of coffee is to a hit of meth.

The only possibly negative thing I've ever heard about St John's Wort is that it might possibly tend to make you more sensitive to some anesthetics. If you're taking it and you're going into surgery, you should definitely tell your anesthesiologist.

Then again, you should be telling your doctors everything you're taking anyway.

I hadn't heard that, good to know, Al, thanks

No, really, Eric O - he was traipsing around in the swamps with the Greek insurgent troops he had organized, probably got a bite from a bad mosquito or picked up a parasite from some leech.

Drinking vinegar had a brief vogue just before Byron and Shelley emigrated to Greece, but never really caught on. Al's assessment ("really nasty tasting stuff") is probably why.

Interestingly, Ellen White, the cultist whose ideas were lifted by Dr. Kellog of Road to Wellville and corn-flake fame, thought wine and vinegar were alike in causing chastity (and therefore health) problems. Her followers were enjoined to drink only pure water or their own urine.

Just in case you were thinking there was no tipple nastier than vinegar...

I wasn't doubting your veracity DrPat, just being a smartass. I actually studied the Romantics a fair amount in grad school, from which I didn't grad.

btw, my mother and wife both use vinegar for cleaning quite a bit, which stinks up the joint something fierce before yielding to a surprising freshness - maybe that's what's going on internally as well

Yes, cleaning would be good way to think of it. Vinegar will kill ugly bacteria, for one thing.

It also has lots of lovely trace minerals.

oh and regarding drinking pee: the Eskimos used to do it quite regularly, it's sterile, you know. the only thing is you can only do it once in a cycle - you can't drink pee pee (to coin a phrase) as the waste becomes too concentrated

the Eskimos used to do it quite regularly, it's sterile, you know.

And warm!

Not to hijack the thread, but urine is decidedly NOT sterile! The body excretes all kinds of things in urine, not to mention that the bladder is a warm, moist area brimming with bacteria and other beasties that come right on out with the yellow stuff.

The idea that it is sterile and healthful has been promoted by cultists and yogis for centuries, but that doesn't make it so. All you have to do is examine that stuff you want to drink "first time around" under a microscope.

(Sorry, you pushed my button.)

To return to non-urine related topics, I must correct BHW's understandable misconception in comment 9. I was somewhat concerned during my hospitalization with the distinct possibility of dying or, worse yet, losing a leg.

However, this did not "scare the bejesus" out of me, because I'm a big, tough man, and I ain't scared of nothin.

Hey,
I'm the author of Healing Powers of Vinegar. I'm in the process of revising/updating the book. Any certain thing you'd like to read about vinegar? More success anecdotes? More home rememdies? More about red wine vinegar? Balsamic vinegar? Please email me and let me know.
Thanks.

Cal Orey

hello, I live in San Jose Costa Rica and here we can only find the Heinz brand of apple cider vinegar, I've heard it must be organice, "with that mother stuff in it, in order for it to really be beneficial. Is this true? want to try Heinz brand. Thank you

I don't have any research to back it up, but what I've HEARD is that Heinz is actually a preferred brand of vinegar for nutritional purposes.

vinegar is nasty yuck

It seems it's been a month since anyone has put anything else into this thread, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents on AVC.
It all started about 5 years ago when I had Chronic UTI (3-4 times a year!) and was spending around $60-80 on each infection....I hated Antibiotics, so i did my own research and read something about AVC so I got some. (first it was a cheap brand and I threw it up all over the place, then found out that it should be organic...so I got BRAGG AVC and it tasted better:S.) I took 2-3TBS 3X a day. I could feel it working after a few hours and soon no pain! I never wanted UTI to ever come back so I ended up taking it for 2 months strait and I haven't had a single UTI for over 3 years strait or any yeast infections! (Yes I tried The cranberry thing but it only seemed to keep it form getting worse). Also during those 2 months (before I read any other benifits about AVC) I noticed that I had alot more energy and also lost 10 pounds!
I kinda stopped taking it unitil about 4 months ago when I got a bad Case of food poisoning (Something like E.Coli)
Bloody Diahrrea, flue, fever, dizziness, ect. Right after I got the bloody problem, I took the AVC and after 30 hours, no more blood! I've been taking it off and on since.
I've been telling customers about AVC at my Job (petshop) for there animals as well as them and told them the store of were to get it. I hadn't been to that store for several months and I went back to restock and for the first time, there weren't any on the shelves! ..maybe word of mouth..? It must work then!
Note: For Yeast infections, I also too ProBiotics and stuck a clove a garlic were it shouldn't be...replaced it with a new one very day and cut slits in them with my fingernail. I got that from a website, but hey, it must have helped since that was 3 years ago!)
*Also To take that much AVC, I took shots (1TBS at a time). I put some water in my mouth and then the AVC. You can't breath out of your nose during the whole process cause it will make it taste really nasty. Then rinsed my mouth out with water then I was able to breath out of my nose.
ok, I think I'm done now :D

Here's a total secret.

Apple Cider Vinegar (unfiltered only) is an awesome remedy for your dog's fleas! Just add 1 tsp. to your dog's water. Fleas hate the bitter taste & it improve's your dog's overall health and coat. Fleas prefer dog's with weakened immune systems. Of course, this won't work as well if you're feeding your dog processed food.

Have you given it to your dog or someone you know? I've heard that before and I'm not sure if they would like the taste on there food anyways. But the water, maybe more so, but on food of course it would be better. Have you used it for fleas? I tell customers about that before but I tell them that's just what I have heard. Also about yellow grass stains.

...I wonder about cats...many cats have UTI's..but would they go for AVC...
I never heard anything about reptiles or small animals, but I have heard about dogs/cats/sugar gliders/horses/birds ect. So I assume you could use it for even more animals, theres no info on that. I wonder about mites and lice as well....and upper respitory infections in rats and snakes. I wish there were information about those things :(

ACV- It was the only thing that worked on my dogs for fleas. We live in a city with fleas and the vet instructed us that all outdoor dogs get fleas and require those toxic Advantage pills. They didn't even work for more than 2 weeks and the fleas developed an immunity in less than a month. I tried conventional and herbal remedies but only ACV made the fleas disappear longterm. I also found out spraying a concoction of 1/2 vinegar and 1/2 water deterred fleas on walks where fleas are everywhere in peak flea season. You have to think relatively. Would your dog prefer the poison pills and flea dips that make them sick and reduce their lifespan or tolerate a slightly more bitter water.
People drink ACV in their water daily and don't mind the taste.
Cats are much more sensitive to changes in their food and water. They are picky and stubborn and could refuse to drink the water even if it's the only bowl you leave out.
Don't try putting it in their food. That would be like putting ACV on your crackers and bread. The unfiltered kind tastes the best and has the most healing properties. Never try white vinegar. yuck!

Dogs will eat some nasty shit- literally. So I bet I could get the puppies to tolerate just a bit of vinegar in water or perhaps in certain kinds of food. If it was, say, some rice with chicken or beef juice and a bit of vinegar, I doubt they'd object.

I would never down a bottle of White vinegar or any other processed vinegar. But I think White vinegar is ok for external use like an ear infection. I want to check out "The Healing Powers of Vinegar" at the top sometime.
has anyone tried it on hot spots?

i wanna know why u would need to do this all the time if it truly cleans u out then once in a while a few tablespoons fine but to take this shit every day dude you have a psycedelic inadequacy

Hello, author of The Healing Powers of Vinegar. Vinegar 2 will be released in Sept. You can pre-order at www.barnesandnoble.com and www.amazon.com; see photo of the Revised and Updated second edition at my website www.calorey.com. This book is 330+ pages. Countless home cures and new cutting edge info about ALL vinegar. It's bigger and better!

Best,


Cal

You say vinegar kill ugly bacteria. What about the good bacterias in your digestive tract? How does vinegar distinguish bad from good? I don't see vinegar as food at all. It is fermented alcohol, which is not good at all in the first place. Use lemon or lime juice instead - much more healthy. And it is food too. Vinegar does nothing else but upset my stumach, and I think personally many people have digestive problems due to ingesting vinegar trough all sorts of food - such as ketchup, picled this and that, and dressing +++

Second Ed. has arrived and is available at www.amazon.com BTW: Vinegar can be used both externally and internally. I've includes dozens more home cures that will amaze you. Got a wart on your hand? New puppy and accidents on your oriental rug? No problem. Vinegar comes to the rescue!
Cal

So...kind of funny. My mom saw this website and saw that my cousin (Colleen) had posted about ACV. The crazy thing is that we only get to see her once every few years and otherwise have no contact! ANYWAY, I have also been dealing with cronic UTI's. I've gotten them since I was a kid, and a couple of times in high school had to go to the hospital. Now that I'm older, I wasn't getting them very often. This last April, I got a UTI. I called my doctor in my hometown and he prescribed something over the phone. A couple of weeks later, it was back. So I went to my son's doctor here in the town where we live. He did a UA, gave me a script, and I took it all (I've always taken ALL of my antibiotics when prescribed). Not 3 days later the UTI was back. So back I went. Same story. Then I got my 4th (this was all in April/May). He referred me to a urologist and the urologist ordered a CAT scan. Nothing but a HUGE waste of money!! The urologist also put me on a sulfa antibiotic for 6 months. 4 days after starting it, I got horrible canker sores (something else which is not new for me). I quit taking the sulfa because I'd read that sores could be a sign of an allergic reaction. (Dr said he'd never heard of it, but gave his ok to quit taking it) Now I've been getting canker sores NON-STOP since June 16th. I'm trying tea tree oil and it seems to be helping a little, but new ones still pop up as another one is going away. But hey...we're talking about UTI's here!!! I woke up at 4 am yesterday morning having to pee (happens all the time). I about fell off the toilet because it hurt so bad!!! There was absolutely NO WARNING that this was coming on! My first thought was that I still had the sulfa antibiotic so I'd try it (I would NEVER suggest that to anyone else, but I was desparate and I've already spent almost $2000 on medical bills in the past year!). Then I remembered my mom telling me about Colleen's post. What did I have to lose? Oh yeah, I forgot to say that back in May, again being desparate, I tried taking CranActin and D-Mannose. I started them on a Saturday and by Sunday I thought my infection was gone. But Monday morning came and it was back with a vengence! So back to now. I decided to try the ACV....against my husband's wishes ("you know you're going to have to go to the doctor and get an antibiotic anyway so why waste your money and time?"). I took my first shot last night. I didn't follow Colleen's instructions. I just put 4 TBSP in a cup and shot it. HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD. Everyone talked about the taste. NO ONE said anything about it catching my throat on fire and the fire moving on down to my stomach over the next few minutes! Or was that supposed to be common sense? It was worse than anything I'd ever had during my wildest years in college! I layed down, but I really wasn't feeling too nauseus. Just the burning sensation. I could tell a couple of hours later that my symptoms were better. When I went to take it last night, I stood there and cried because I didn't want to (I'm a huge baby). I mixed it with honey and when I downed it, it didn't burn so bad. But it still burned so I assumed that the honey didn't work. This morning I got my breakfast all ready to eat so I could start as soon as I took the fire. OH GEEZ...it was worse than last night!! My throat closed up and I could hardly swallow anything for a few seconds it seemed like! So I drank some water and started eating breakfast. Then I got VERY sick to my stomach so I had to lie down and try to talk my body out of purging it back up because then it wouldn't work! I ate some saltines and now I feel better. But this morning when I got up, I had no pain at all when I peed!! I figure I'll take the fire again tonight, maybe twice tomorrow, then start just taking it at night for a week or so. Then I'm DONE and I'm going to pray that the UTI doesn't come back! Sorry this was so long!!!

People who take ACV for heartburn or Acid Reflux should not dilute it with tomato juice or a V8. The acid would be the worst thing for them.

Hey Amanda, glad to see a message posted on here from you. Small world :D

I was curious if you ever got your UTI taken care of? I would think so since its been just about a year ago!

One thing I will mention is that I do know with experience, if you take more than 3 TB at a time, you will not feel very well at all and you'll feel nauseous, and even a warm/tingly sensation perhaps, especially on an empty stomach :(

I realized that if I took less than I said above, then the UTI would feel like it would come back.

We make a vinegar and honey drink by the gallon and drink it all day long. My two year old son calls it "kool-aid!"

We use 1/2 C Honey 1/2 C Vinegar and
1 gal water.

At first we tried to use double the amounts of vinegar and honey, but did not find ourselves drinking it very often, so we diluted it more.

ive been doing quite a bit of research about avc. its super healthy and i think it would do me good to take it everyday. the only thing is i cant stand the taste. so i came up with putting it in ice tea. it defiantely tasted better. but what i want to know is will it still work the same? will i still benefit from it by taking it with grape fruit juice or something?