Look to your own benefit

Written by Prometheus 6
Published December 14, 2004

I know we have a healthy Libertarian contingent here. This is likely to annoy you even more than the Conservatives, but I must. I really would like you all to go beyond theory and consider the way things manifested when the government was as small as Libertarians desire. The situation is nicely summed up by the first sentence of a paragraph in a New York Times editorial:

In pre-1937 America, workers were exploited, factories were free to pollute, and old people were generally poor when they retired.

This is not an opinion. This is historical fact. And it did not change until required by law.

And it you don't think those conditions would return if the New Deal was rolled back, consider that profitable corporations lay off workers to enhance their stock price. We already allow restaurants to deduct tips from their waitstaff's already minimum wage salary. We already have a youth wage that can be paid to anyone under 20 years old for the first 90 days of employment. Now tell me that if you get broke enough you won't let your 13 year old take a job that lasts 90 days. And take it again 90 days later. And tell me corporations won't see that and respond accordingly.

You need to consider the fact that you are only in a position to complain about these laws because the laws exist.

You need to look at what actually happened in the Great Depression. Absolute capitalism failed.

You need to understand the G.I. Bill was passed, not because we thought soldiers earned it by the mere act of donning fatigues but because after our major wars there were huge numbers of unemployed armed white men wandering the landscape who had just had their aversion to killing trained out of them.

By the way, here's the rest of that paragraph from the Times:

This is not an agenda the public would be likely to sign onto today if it were debated in an election. But conservatives, who like to complain about activist liberal judges, could achieve their anti-New Deal agenda through judicial activism on the right. Judges could use the so-called Constitution-in-Exile to declare laws on workplace safety, environmental protection and civil rights unconstitutional.

And because doing so would enhance their economic position, they will if they can.

All I ask is that you remember a bit of history and a bit of human nature as you consider what to support.

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Look to your own benefit
Published: December 14, 2004
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#1 — December 14, 2004 @ 15:58PM — Eric Olsen

P6, sounds like enlightened self-interest - are you a Randian?

#2 — December 14, 2004 @ 17:17PM — P6 [URL]

Rand wouldn't take anything even approaching my social positions.

No, there's no convenient handle I can hang on my viewpoints. Other than practical, maybe.

#3 — December 14, 2004 @ 18:39PM — Eric Olsen

I have zero doubt that government has a crucial role in regulating capitalism, that pure capitalism does not create a workable society, and that the impulses of capital must be mitigated by the rights of labor and the needs of the greater society

#4 — December 15, 2004 @ 08:45AM — P6 [URL]

I can't under understand why anyone with a little historical knowledge would come to any other conclusion, Eric.

#5 — December 15, 2004 @ 09:57AM — Eric Olsen

as you said, look to self-interest: corporations and their shills often lose sight of anything but the pursuit of profit, which IS their job, but why they have to be regulated and their efforts channelled

#6 — December 16, 2004 @ 09:09AM — bhw [URL]

My guess is that people who think unregulated capitalism is the be-all and end-all to our problems are assuming that such a system *will* benefit them. I think that they understand that some people might get crushed, but I don't think that they're too worried about what happens to other people. The market will sort it out, after all.

#7 — December 16, 2004 @ 09:56AM — P6 [URL]

That comes back to a lack of understanding of history. Lack of concern, really. Americans seem to me to be the most anti-historical people that ever existed.

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