Blogcritics: Comments on Bush Receives a Warm Welcome in Chile

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:38:01 EST

You lied, Marc, ....implied I had said something I had not said. *rolling my eyes* what else is new? Marc said: If the story is on KR that covers 31 newspapers in all four corners of the country and the Associated Press also puts it out on their wire service that every newspaper and TV station receives I would say that refutes your premise of little or no coverage. If 31 newspapers put the story on the front page and cover it extensively, that is one thing. If they put a little blub near the help wanted section, it might still be in 31 newspapers, but that does not qualify as extensive coverage. The fact that the protests are far more important to the lives of Americans than a fist fight on a basketball court, but do not get NEARLY the same amount of coverage, alone, substantiates Hal's claim. The rest is semantics from someone who can't combat logic so goes after verbiage.

Comment by Hal Pawluk

Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:57:43 EST

You lied, Marc, when you began comment 1 with a straw man that implied I had said something I had not said. You ended with a gratuitous, pretentious and snide slur. So screw you and the intellectual turd you rode in on.

Comment by Marc

Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:23:48 EST

Hal "Bug off, Marc - it's you doing the over-statement. What you say is not what I said." Well what did you say Hal, let's look: "You won't see much about that in American media" If the story is on KR that covers 31 newspapers in all four corners of the country and the Associated Press also puts it out on their wire service that every newspaper and TV station receives I would say that refutes your premise of little or no coverage. So be it.

Comment by Hal Pawluk

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:10:14 EST

BCB, thanks for the link - I'll check it. As far as this post goes, however, the story is going to be a one-day wonder (CNN had a 12-second bit) and then it's going to sink off the face of the known world (as conceived of by most in America) so it's unnecessary.

Comment by Hal Pawluk

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:06:57 EST

andy, I guess when you just don't get it, you just don't get it, do you? This was a post about trade and economic issues. If you want to froth and rant about the invasion of Iraq and terrorists, check my post "Iraq Progress Report" elsewhere. Or if you want to provide us with information on how successful the "war on terror" under Bush has been, you could do a whole new post. And honestly, your problem - whatever it is - is your problem, not mine.

Comment by Temple Stark

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:01:33 EST

andy marsh - Blogcritic's drama queen. Yawn. Hal here puts together a post about how a lot of the rest of the world views America - regardless of whether you care or not - and one small media detail is the only part of the discussion, so far. Thousands, perhaps millions of other people are concerned that they can get dicked around (and by dicked around I mean they have no control of their own finances) by America, the IMF and the World Bank. Again regardless of whether their concerns have any merit or whether you care about the issue, it's a "real reality" in the world. - Temple

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:15:16 EST

That's better, I'm sure. Now let's step back and take a look at the bigger picture here. On the one hand, the terrorists, Al-Queda, have been upset for years at the indifference of Americans when it comes to our foreign policy over there. Our response has always been 'who gives a f*ck what people think over there?' This response has been going on so long, that they have eventually turned to terrorism to get their point across. So.....we need to see what we can do to stop terrorism, right? Now, the people in Chile are protesting the imbalance of wealth caused by global capitalism, in which they didn't get an equal start, and we've also got Canadians, the French, Germany, the whole middle east, most of the Pacific Islands (Phillipines, Indonesia, etc.), most of the European citizens, etc. all these people are disgruntled with us, anti-Bush, and harboring deep anti-American sentiment and many of us keep saying 'who gives a f*ck what they think?'. Thinking now.....hmmm...the best way to win the war on terror over the long-term.....hmmmm...what to do....what to do...

Comment by andy marsh

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:59:11 EST

I'm trying bcb...I'm trying...breathe andy...breathe andy...ok..I'm calming down now....

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:55:25 EST

Deep breath andy. Hal, I don't know if it will help in this instance or not, but there is a site I often refer to when people talk about whether the media is covering something or not. At the Newseum, you can see the front page of most major newspapers in 35 countrys. Updated daily.

Comment by andy marsh

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:42:07 EST

OK Hal...let's put it this way...WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT CHILE THINKS about us??? I really don't care what Chile or France or Germany think about U.S. politics!!! And if you do...I guess maybe that's your PROBLEM! Was CHile attacked on 9/11??? Did CHile have a Destroyer in the gulf that was blown up? Did Chile have embassies that were bombed? I didn't think so...so really..who cares what they think? Based on the shit that foreign media spewes about America, it's no wonder that that rest of the world hates us...they think liek you and your ilk!

Comment by Hal Pawluk

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:53:59 EST

Bug off, Marc - it's you doing the over-statement. What you say is not what I said. What I said is still right - one story in one chain still isn't much coverage. The story is going to be a one-day blip, even though it's significant. But that damned liberal media is going to essentially give Bush a free pass again. Bummer.

Comment by Marc

Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:23:02 EST

Not carried in the US media? That's a little overstated isn't it? Knight-Ridder wire service has carried the story as seen here in the Charlotte Observer

The largest protest march since Chile's police state ended 14 years ago turned violent Friday when demonstrators waged street battles with riot police before President Bush arrived for a summit of Asia-Pacific leaders. ... President Hu Jintao. Bush hopes to use the APEC summit to rally support for his ... old Soviet flags or Cuban flags, even though protests in Havana today can result in long ...

I'll be honest and say I did not search any of the 31 KR papers but I bet the vast majority, if not all, carried the same story. And the Knight-Ridder list of papers count among them some of the largest dailies, including: Philadelphia Daily News, The Philadelphia Inquirer, Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, San Jose Mercury News, Detroit Free Press, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, The Miami Herald and the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. That about covers the entire country, East-West-North, and South. Not satisfied? I would think this Associated Press story got a much larger play than Knight-Ridder's service.

SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) -- Protesters opposing the visit of President Bush to the Asian-Pacific Economic forum clashed with police early Saturday and stray gunfire left at least three people wounded in working class districts across the Chilean capital. The protests began after President Bush arrived Friday for the 21-nation forum. Gunfire left one gas station attendant with a bullet wound to the leg in northern Santiago, while a police officer in a southern suburb also was hit by a stray bullet, Police Cmdr. Enrique Rivera said.

etc, etc. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Hal and believe you're pressed for time or just lazy (we all get that way), vice being intellectually dishonest.