I am still waiting for a reasonable person to show up - but all I see here is Andy. again.

hehehe - that was good...I'm the most reasonable guy I know...don't believe me? Just ask me, I'll tell you!

So many words, so little said.

Feel better now, andy?

Hal - I always feel good! Life is good! And as long as I wake up tomorrow morning at 5:30 like I always do, life will be good tomorrow too! But hey, thanks for asking.

Andy, your anecdotal evidence doesn't match the exit polls:

Most important issue:
Moral values 22% (80% Bush)
Economy/jobs 20% (80% Kerry)
Terrorism 19% (86% Bush)
Iraq 15% (73% Kerry)

So you are not typical of the people who voted for Bush, in that the most important issue to almost 20% of them was "moral values."

Apparently, nobody mentioned the inclusiveness of the Democratic party as an issue, never mind the top issue.

and no one ever asked anyone I know...did anyone you know get questioned?

No body was exit polling where I voted. And I haven't asked anyone else if they were questioned.

So are you saying the exit polls aren't valid?

Andy types more and says less than anybody I've ever read -- make that "skipped".

Less coffee, more brains.

thanks in advance,
S

I guess it's sort of like calling the cowboys and the braves america's teams...nobody ever asked me.

and it does seem that those exit polls were definately screwed up this time. It's all over the news how bad they performed.

...this is true.

Everyone knows the Giants are America's team.

Well, at least you found out who ate the strawberry ice cream. Because that's who you really want to govern the popular guy who can get one per cent on his side.

Oh, that's right, you don't want competent governance, you want somebody who takes a good picture for the annual report.

bhw - who told you that! I've known that my whole life!!! See, I knew we ccould find common ground on something!

No Jim - they were strawberries...not strawberry ice cream...and everyone knows the guys in the mess ate them!

You should really worry about your own politics...oh wait...England will take care of that for you...maybe you should go wait in line for some of that nice affordable mental health care you have up there in socialist canada.

I referred to it as ice cream since that is a unit you might understand, whereas, fruit picked by black-market, near slave labour might undermine your stance.

And yes, the public health care paid for by my taxes is enjoyed with much enthusiasm. It's called return on investment and sound public policy.

Because TB and anti-biotic resistant germs in hospitals and lice aren't so nice. Plus the clap you've got running rampant lately, just keep that to yourself.

The 'big tent' and 'reasonableness' of the party that embraces Ann Coulter as a best-selling mouthpiece? Uh...yeah, right.

i've always been told the browns were america's team.

bark! bark! bark!

"So are you saying the exit polls aren't valid?"

[cough] Just ask John Kerry how accurate they were... [cough]

"The 'big tent' and 'reasonableness' of the party that embraces Ann Coulter as a best-selling mouthpiece? Uh...yeah, right."

Gee, wasn't Michael Moore a guest of "honor" at the DNC, hanging out and yucking it up with the 20th Century's worst President, Jimmy Carter?

Two hypocritical things I keep hearing Bush supporters say that I've got to comment on.

1) Stop complaining about "the elite" if you voted for Bush, who is part of the pre-eminent New England political dynasty. He was born in Connecticut, went to high school in Massachusetts, and went to college in Connecticut.

2) Stop complaining about actors being invovled with politics if you want Arnold to run for President.

to comment 18 I say, REGGIE REGGIE REGGIE!!!

and for 19...bush may be elite..but he doesn't ACT IT! and running for office and running your mouth are 2 different things!

The one difference about Arnold and Jennifer Aniston or Brad Pitt is that they drink whatever their party tells them to do. Arnold, being from another country, understands what America is about and what opportunitiy exists. And he had the balls to run and WON! California elected a republican! Arnold, I feel, sees America in a different light then the rest of Hollywood. He doesn't take America for granted, other celebrities do.

Just looooove that hypocrisy, Bryan.

A celebrity who gets involved in politics is, um, a celebrity who gets involved in politics. Just admit that you like Arnold's politics, so you ignore the fact that he's a celebrity.

I actually do like Arnold's politics. He is much closer to the middle than most republicans or democrats. I have found that a lot of people that weren't born here look at this country in a whole different light than those of us fortunate enough to have been born here.

I have yet to hear any Republicans criticize Bush's jumping on the post-World Series Red Sox bandwagon by having Curt Schilling campaigning on his behalf. Do baseball players have any more political street cred than actors?

DA - I don'tthink schillings endorsement really did much good. Bush got hammered in MA!

As to your question, I don't think baseball players have any more credibility than the entertainers. but football players...that's a whole other story!

Um, cute answer, Andy, but using celebrities is either bad for all candidates, or okay for all candidates. Hypocrisy is not allowed -- even Arnold, for all that he's actually a politician now, trades on his movie-star persona when he's on the stump because it's what people relate to. The Republicans use celebrity, too, let's just agree to call it what it is.

I actually gave my opinion on Arnold already...I think it's a completely different story when they put their celebrity on the line and actually run for office. Especially in Arnolds case, running in CA. It was much easier for Fred Thompson in TN...can't say what the situation was for Gopher(sorry can't remember his real name). I actually can't come up with to many democrats that have done that...actually ran for office instead of just running their mouths...I'm sure there are some...anyone???

I think it's a completely different story when they put their celebrity on the line and actually run for office.

Ironically, before he ran for office, Arnold HAD to "run his mouth" so that everyone knew where he stood on the issues. You don't just wake up one day and decide you're going to run for office: a political public persona must first emerge.

I'm sure you criticized him for being a loud-mouthed celebrity back then, didn't you?

I really don't remember him doing that kind of stuff. I do remember hearing him talk about some of the 'interesting' conversations that he had at home and how he spent some nights on the couch because of them. I also remember hearing him talk about how much he loved this country since coming here from Austria...but I really don't remember him bad mouthing democrats or any of the kind of stuff that comes from the likes of the sarandons and robbins and moore crowd.

I think Gopher was Fred Grandy(??), or something like that.

I think bhw is right-on on her last comment, Andy - Although I disagree with most (but not all) of Arnold's politics, if the man is one thing, it's a VISIONARY - He went into body-building at the time it was still considered a sideshow for freaks with one major goal in mind: to become recognized, move to America and then make a fortune in the movies - And something else...he is NOT a dumb guy (but you already knew that).

"Apparently, nobody mentioned the inclusiveness of the Democratic party as an issue"

They are VERY "inclusive" as long as you support zero restrictions on gov't-funded partial-birth abortions and you think all white Christian men are racist, homophobic pigs...

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