Blogcritics: Comments on The Bin Laden tape

Comment by Lono

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:24:21 EST

Regarding my comment about the Rove tactic, here is some more info. Note that I wrote this peice Friday night, and this info just came out this morning. That is what is so great about this administration, their evil can be counted on like clockwork. See read this, http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=1&u=/ap/misleading_voter_calls and then let me add - told you so! it is just more and more and more proof what a problem this group is. Kerry in a Landslide 2004!

Comment by Hal Pawluk

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:55:47 EST

The link, Andy, is to a campaign in in Kentucky, where a Republican is calling his opponent gay. Thus, the technique Lono mentioned has filtered down to the Republican grassroots. I would disagree with Lono that this is only a Rove technique - it's a continuation of the Gingrichian Republican technique I discussed in The Wild-eyed Right Is Losing Their Cool And Becoming Unhinged. (Opens in new window)

Comment by andy marsh

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:30:32 EST

Hal - I looked at your link and I see no reference to Rove. I was just wondering how you put this together?

Comment by Hal Pawluk

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:54:57 EST

"One last point: if there is one and only one play that Rove uses, (and I can honeslty give you 34 references) it is this: my opponent is gay! That technique seems to have made its way down to the trenches, and is being used in Kentucky: Mongiardo Responds To 'Limp Wrist' Claims (opens in new window) And do you have a link to the other Rove plays?

Comment by Shark

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:14:29 EST

RJ translates Shark's post: Shark: "I'm a Liberal; I hate America -- and love and support the terrorists." Just thought I'd save you the time and trouble, babe.

Comment by Shark

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:12:56 EST

RJ translates Shark's post: Shark: "I'm a Liberal; I hate America -- and love and support the terrorists." Just thought I'd save you the time and trouble, babe.

Comment by Shark

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:10:53 EST

RJ, Bin Laden is no fool, and it doesn't behoove one to understimate one's enemy. BTW: If this conflict is decided based upon Bush and Bin Laden's IQs and ability to articulate a speech, then we've lost big-time.

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:52:16 EST

No, RJ, she was not praising Osama and his ideology, she was acknowledging a very crafty performance and delivery and acknowledging that Osama was effective at what he set out to do. That does not imply praising his ideology. The distinction is clear.

Comment by RJ

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:58:39 EST

"Osama is not just healthy and more articulate than Bush has ever been. He is relaxed and confident. His tweaking of Bush's nose -- 'you thought it more important to read to children about a goat' -- should go down in history. The timing of the tape. The masterful delivery. Brilliant. The GOP will try to claim Bush has not been humiliated. But he has been, thoroughly." The quote above is anonymous Blogger Mac Diva, praising anti-American terrorist leader Osama bin Laden...

Comment by Lono

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:34:55 EST

One last point: if there is one and only one play that Rove uses, (and I can honeslty give you 34 references) it is this: my opponent is gay! Seriously, look at every single campaign Rove has run. When issues don't cut it, your opponent is gay!

Comment by Lono

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:17:41 EST

Not surprisingly, many of us all have missed the message Bin Laden was saying. I said it the day after 9/11. I think everyone knew it, but were afraid to say. The reason we were attacked by crazed arabs is because we back the jews. It is that simple. I am not pro-arab or pro-jew. Frankly, it is a very complex issue that my little mind can't handle. I admit, I am just a rock music guy. However, Bin Laden's point was clear and no one will talk about it. As long as we back and bankroll the jews in the middle east... we are the enemy. Even if Kerry gets elected, we will not abandon Isreal. Ergo, we will be a target. Get the fucking message people, Bin Laden doesn't hate freedom. That is a stupid Bushism. He hates America because we alone keep the Israeli nation alive though gobs and gobs of money. This isn't to say on any level we shouldn't be doing it. I won't pretend to understand internation policy. But know this, and it is EXTREMELY simple. The message from Bin Laden is this: We are arabs. we hate the jews and the jews hate us. As long as America sides with the Jews, they are our mortal enemies. There are the facts, without taking sides. I dare anyone in the world to explain it more simply and honestly than that. Thanks, lono

Comment by Marc

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:22:16 EDT

"I'm concerned that I will be unpleasantly surprised by legal challenges from the Bushies to try to steal this election." You mean like Gore tried to do when he requested recounts in only three counties, three democratic counties.

Comment by Mac Diva

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:38:40 EDT

Wow! That whole situation is blowing my mind. Osama is not just healthy and more articulate than Bush has ever been. He is relaxed and confident. His tweaking of Bush's nose -- 'you thought it more important to read to children about a goat' -- should go down in history. The timing of the tape. The masterful delivery. Brilliant. The GOP will try to claim Bush has not been humiliated. But he has been, thoroughly. But, how will it play with voters? The GOP hopes that more of them will come running to hide behind the skirts of the man who has failed to capture Osama for three years. I'm doubtful. Yes, Osama said neither candidate can protect the American people. But, I think more of them may decide to go with the person who has not already failed. The tape could make a difference in a very close election.

Comment by Yensid

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:46:33 EDT

Amen brother... A-freakin-men! Good job.

Comment by Jason Koulouras

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:19:41 EDT

Interesting analogy - I agree that in a sane, balanced entity that a person charged with a task for 3 years would be out of that position at the least and reassigned Cheers

Comment by Michael Croft

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:29:49 EDT

I'm concerned that I will be unpleasantly surprised by legal challenges from the Bushies to try to steal this election. It's pure Karl Rove Playbook to pretend that you're confident your guy will win, even when the evidence suggests that it's not gonna happen. I prefer to think that Kerry is likely to win, but that there are enough uncertain factors that it's uncallable. While I want a Kerry landslide, I can't say I'm able to predict one with RJ-like certainty.

Comment by RJ

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:02:31 EDT

You will be unpleasantly surprised on November 2nd, my pinko friend...