Blogcritics Comments on This Election and the Success of Iraq Are Intertwined

Comment by andy marsh

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:08:10 EST

I'm still waiting diva!!!

Comment by andy marsh

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:36:22 EST

Evidence??? you're asking her for evidence to to explain her nastiness??? YEAH..GOOD LUCK... I tried to be nice...I passed the peace pipe...but this bitter person wouldn't except it...I'm not the bad guy here...I'm actually a pretty nice guy if you take the time to get to know me...I honestly believe you have no friends diva...there's no way you could have...and I promise you if you do have...I don't think I'd like to know them.... Ask ANYONE here who's been EVIL...who's been SOUR...who's been DOWN RIGHT NASTY...I bet...9 out of 10 will point to you diva... You write bullshit about racism in the military that's ancient...and play it off like it happened yesterday...I told you I'd stay off your threads if you left my name off of it...but you continue to be a sardonic evil person... Find someone else to detest..someone else to blame for your party's poor performance in this election...it's not my fault...maybe it has something to do with people like you and your evil BULLSHIT!!! I really don't know...I know that you post links to extremism and lies...and frankly I'm tired of it...and I bet there are a lot of other people around here that are also...you scare people diva...they're afraid to respond to you because you turn EVERY issue into a race issue

Comment by andy marsh

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:13:17 EST

you haven't said anything about me that Is TRUE!!!

Comment by Mac Diva

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:35:48 EST

I believe the ones who express extremist views and attack people of color are suspect.

Comment by Eric Olsen

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:36:16 EST

Interesting that anything personally negative he has stated has only been toward you, and these have been edited, by the way. I will also note that you began the personal attacks, dismissing anything he had to say, repudiating his intelligence, knowledge, his right to speak here. And are you saying ALL former service people are to be suspected of being connected with hate groups? Or is there some other, slightly more specific, evidence?

Comment by Eric Olsen

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:17:02 EST

Andy has threatened no one, is in fact quite good natured. I have zero problem with opinions, beliefs, perspectives or disagreement - HOW they are expressed, as Boom mentions above, is another matter.

Comment by Mac Diva

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:05:33 EST

Andy Marsh has behaved in ways that are equivalent. Furthermore, as I blogged at Silver Rights today, there is a proven relationship between Right Wingers in the military and hate groups. As a teenager, when I visited cousins in Fayetteville, I was always told not to go anywhere near Fort Bragg after dark unless I was accompanied by an armed adult. My mother knew there were people there who would kill me wearing the colors of the U.S. Army. So why is Andy Marsh still here? Sure looks like political bias.

Comment by Eric Olsen

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:44:53 EST

actually, the final straw was a threat to use "guns, knives, bottles, or fists" to resolve any outstanding differences of opinion

Comment by andy marsh

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:29:35 EST

Eric - even though you just said that, I'm still not giving you your $50 back!

Comment by Eric Olsen

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:28:06 EST

There is no "recruitment" for this site beyond the open invitation you find on the front page: whoever joins joins.

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:20:04 EST

Curt called Eric a name one too many times. I liked Curts philosophy on many things, but winced every time he did that. Eric posted a comment that 'the shit has left the building'. Curt is no more.

Comment by Mac Diva

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:02:22 EST

Could be. Eric is not the objective person he pretends to be. He favors not very bright people who don't challenge him. Curt is a tough fellow, though. He will be fine. And, I don't think it necessarily a bad thing to take a break from this site, which is being overrun by the new wave of mindless minions Eric recently recruited.

Comment by Sticky-Stack

Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:42:41 EST

Hey Mac Diva...Whatever happened to our boy Curt?...Is he banned?...Looks like you were right about him asking the wrong question, although I notice that post was deleted, also...hhmmmmm...

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:42:32 EST

I'll give you the only words of wisdom my generation can give yours (typed during a commercial during a broadcast on the other monitor of H20 on CBC, multitasking and whatnot): "Shut the fuck up, give me my french fries, and don't you dare spit in them, or I'll kick your ass, you little punk"

Comment by Art Green

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:06:25 EST

Jim: You are one funny guy. Do you actually have a life besides the one that is obsessed with trying to "diss" me? I'm really starting to question who is child on this site. Lobbing threats at me? Does that make you feel better?

Comment by Jim Carruthers

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:21:12 EST

Wow, how pissed off you can get about the positions of a child who can't vote, doesn't pay income taxes, can't marry his gay or not lover, isn't eligible to be sent to foreign lands to be killed (for a couple of months, but you gotta know, as soon as I find out what county that little fuck lives in, you bet his local recruiting office is getting some long distance calls), but he can face the death penalty. Well, I guess it's not all bad. Not only is he a stupid kid, he actually represents stupid kids who are going to be putting you into the Abe Simpson Krusty Koncentration Kamp in Tiajuana (hey, hey, the happiest place on ... oh, I forgot)

Comment by Mac Diva

Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:53:53 EST

Five children. You're forgetting Art.

Comment by Eric Olsen

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:27:00 EDT

Vietnam was a war that few understood requiring military service that was involuntary, had high American casualties at an accelerating rate over 10 years, occurred at a time when youth culture was aserting itself and finding its voice, which it found in the disconnect between what the government was telling it and what it heard from other sources, including returning vets. Feel free to compare and contrast with Iraq - I see about 20% commonality. And I don't believe Art was saying that citizens shouldn't express their views, just that that expression may have actual ramifications.

Comment by Art Green

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:57:47 EDT

Kurt: You missed my point. I think John Kerry served our country admirably in Vietnam. There are a few questions raised by the Swifties in terms of his service while in the Navy, but I do not question his Navy service. I question what he did after he came back. Groups he was affliated with were encouraged and likely linked with the North Vietnamese. His Senate testimony is another flag in my mind. "Cutting off heads, blowing up bodies...etc." That is what questioned.

Comment by SFC SKI

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:00:29 EDT

Boomcrash, my post was not in a direct response to what you had written, mine just followed yours. I don't have a problem with you personally. Mine was a more general statement on hurt feeling, flaming, and incivility on this and other forums.

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:56:13 EDT

SFC SKI, I just hope you remember my first sentence where I said I support our soldiers in uniform. I have taken issue with the Commander-in-Chief though. But I do support our men and women in uniform. I'm sticking with the right to free speech though, because I have to live under it, just like the soldier. People are free to condemn me from the pulpit, from the airwaves, and on the internets. There are long-term societal implications for this, like violence, murder, prejudical violations of rights, etc. But it's free speech, so there it stands. There's been a lot more than spit flung my way. And if I had been given the chance, I'd have been honored to stand there by your side fighting to further that right. on another note, just because everyone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily mean that you must be right. Do you mean this to apply to Kerry or to me? I'm not sure which because I don't know of any ideology of mine that stems from that line of reasoning. a shame that none, or few of us here are able remain both civil and rational in expressing themselves and debating points of contention. I would hope that you are not thinking of me when you say that. I would like to think that I have been civil and rational when debating. I have never called anyone a name here or labeled anyone other than with an ideological label, i.e. conservative/liberal/far right/neo-con/ etc. which should not be offensive to people.

Comment by SFC SKI

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:00:00 EDT

"How long before the Right proposes limiting the right to dissent during a time of war for security reasons? How long before that proposal is no longer limited to times of war?" let's not go into hyperbole and rhetoric just yet. One's right to express one's opinion does not impinge upon another's right to vocally, vehemently disagree. IT does keep people from being beaten or jailed for expressing their opinions, but they have to have a strength of spririt and a bit of courage as well to say it and stand up to criticism, as well as a firm beliefe in one's position. on another note, just because everyone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily mean that you must be right. IT is a shame that none, or few of us here are able remain both civil and rational in expressing themselves and debating points of contention. Lastly, I can only speak for myself in that I would continue to do my duty even if I was being spit upon in uniform. I definitely prefer the reality that most people are polite to me and my colleagues, so thanks to anyone who that applies to.

Comment by boomcrashbaby

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:07:43 EDT

I support our men in uniform, I've never been able to serve but would have loved for the opportunity. Too late for me now. I find it a hypocritical irony that the Right would go on and on about the power and might of the greatest military force on earth, how it can single-handledly if need be, defeat terrorism, then in the same breath complain how history has shown us that this great behemoth has fallen due to a few speeches of peace advocates. Speaks volumes about the power of peace and humanity, doesn't it? The right to dissent is part of our right of free speech, the right which makes this country so great. Kerry served, was shot at FOR this great country, and earned the right to speak his mind. Neither he, I, you or anybody else can control how other individuals hear and interpret those words. How long before the Right proposes limiting the right to dissent during a time of war for security reasons? How long before that proposal is no longer limited to times of war?

Comment by curt

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:25:44 EDT

i can't answer that question, andy. maybe draft-dodger karl rove could find out. wasn't rove the puppeteer behind slandering john mccain's patriotism in the 2000 primaries?

Comment by andy marsh

Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:54:31 EDT

curt - if you and kerry are so proud of his military accomplishments, why won't kerry sign the SF-180 and release ALL his military records? Bush has!