SK - Yeah, exactly, and that's a good thing. I mean, the ripping the system example would work on many levels in many different creative genres, I'm sure. It's not necessarily limited to music and the music industry.

PITRIFF - Right. Now forgive the length of this next question, but you guys have had the unique opportunity to sound off against both Bushes, you know, on Angst and WWIII. I personally take the position that the more conservative our climate is, the better and more urgent the music scene becomes. You and Ministry tackled Bush, Sr. with "Drug Against War" and "N.W.O." respectively, and now you get to do it to his son on WWIII with "Stars and Stripes," "Bullets, Bombs and Bigotry," etcetera. So first, would you agree with the theory I'm posting here, and second, have you felt something of an obligation to protest through your music? That's probably an obvious question.

SK - I think if anyone needs to protest, it's musicians. I'm actually surprised that there's so few of us who actually open their mouths and really say what's going on. Maybe it's not enough to enlist with punkvoter.com and then go out on tour, maybe it's much more important to convey your message in your songs, you know? Yeah, the Bushes have had a pretty horrific and deep impact on American history over the last fourteen years. I think that's certainly something, you know, enough can't be said about.

PITRIFF - Absolutely. Again, I think the whole scene today has really climbed the past couple of years with all this shit that's going on overseas, and Bush's, in my opinion, false war. So I myself am very invigorated to see so much of it getting stronger and stronger with each year, you know?

SK - Right. No, it's a good thing, but it's happening rather slow still. I hope it picks up a little more steam soon.

PITRIFF - Yeah. Well, they have those Rock Against Bush comps, so that's a start, and yourself, you're doing very strong protest music, which leads into my next question. KMFDM might be considered fringe music and its fans fringe culture. I guess together they may be viewed as enemies of the state in the eyes of the right wing, but could we say maybe that the right wing is the true enemy of the state, if the state is comprised of the common people? Particularly with your stance against war, fascism and brute violence?

SK - Well, I mean, the true enemy of the state is the fascist junta that is running this country, I mean fascism, as defined by Mussolini, who invented the thing, is the quickening of state and money, corporations and power. This is essentially what's going on in this country and this is what divides the American people. I mean, the middle class is eroding really quick; the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting much poorer. This divide is, in essence, a real problem, because people...their positions are so far apart they don't even talk to each other anymore. I see it all the time on discussions on KMFDM or related kind of newsgroups, blogs and stuff, you know, the level of forum is very low, and the level of hatred and lashing out and that kind of stuff is very, very high.