Blogcritics Comments on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Comment by Chris Kent on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:01:37 EDT

lol......I know what you mean Rodney and did not wish to come off that way. Now let's say the women was not as ferociously attractive as Eva Green - I guess it would have bothered me more. But I saw it as three children learning about sex/lust/love and the whole damn thing. Kids, when they eat chocolate, get it all over their mouths and hands - similar to the lovers. There is the scene in the bathtub where blood is floating on the surface - menstral blood. Initially it is three children/teenagers, innocently swimming together in the bathtub, but the blood reveals their sexual awakening, their entrance into adulthood, and suddenly, swimming in the bathtub is no longer innocent. Obvious symbolism, I know, but that is why I found the film to be sweet and charming in a way. It struck some chords, though at other times I thought the film was a bit too deja vu....I wanted something a bit more risque and angst-ridden. As for the incest angle, well, I grew up with a sister, and while we did not achieve the level of obsessive experimentation you see in The Dreamers, there was some truth in several scenes..... I am aruging about a movie that I did not particularly like, though it was interesting. I would suspect the older a person is, the more they would like this film, and not for reasons one would think....

Comment by Eric Olsen on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:57:57 EDT

very nice concise, consistent reviews Craig, thanks - I'd never even heard of the first two.

Comment by Rodney Welch on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:05:40 EDT

Well, maybe it's just me. I guess I just think of menstrual blood as one of those bodily wastes -- like piss, pus, shit, puke -- toward which I bear no romantic feelings whatsoever.

Comment by Craig Lyndall on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:48:39 EDT

I am with Chris on this one. It didn't bug me all that much, but I would never rub said fluid on anything let alone my face.

Comment by Rodney Welch on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:42:37 EDT

Oh Chris, please -- don't get all I-relate-to-women on me. That scene was gross as fuck.

Comment by Chris Kent on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:32:50 EDT

I believe they spread it on each other's faces Rodney, and that scene did not disturb me. I have never found a woman's menstration to be gross or disturbing - it is life. Though I have never spread a woman's menstral blood on my face either. However, I thought the woman was a virgin and she had just lost her virginity, which would make the spreading of the blood on each other's faces very sweet and strangely symbolic. Oddly enough, I did not find the scene to be crude. lol.....I just read this comment.....

Comment by Rodney Welch on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:22:40 EDT

What about smearing menstral blood on the girl's face? Definitely not a "been there, done that" moment for me -- but I grok what you're saying otherwise...

Comment by Chris Kent on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:16:32 EDT

There was nothing in The Dreamers that I had not seen cinematically before, and more often than not in a film by director Bernardo Bertolucci. There wasn't too much especially profound in the film either, though there was a sweetness and overall charm that I had not expected. I suspect some of The Dreamers is autobiographical, and I would be surprised if many could not relate to much of the naive sexual experimentation going on in the film - there is an undeniable youthful exuberance to the skinful proceedings. It was on target more often than not, and always interesting. Just had an overall feeling of "been there, done that" throughout..... Hell, give me a dancing Charlotte Rampling adorned in SS hat and black jackboots any day.....

Comment by Rodney Welch on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:54:44 EDT

Not into unnoticeably large? Well, I liked them; they had me drooling like a toddler who hadn't been fed for a week. For a more measured and thoughtful assessment, here's what my favorite critic had to say regarding the Dynamic Duo: "They're big in proportion to her slender, girlish body, but absolutely real, and just saggy enough remind porn-numbed American audiences that even young girls are naturally subject to gravity. In short, they're marvelous, and will probably soon be all that remains in my memory of The Dreamers." As you can tell, they're all I remember, too.

Comment by Craig Lyndall on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:44:53 EDT

She was beautiful and quite frankly, she had large nipples. Not that that is a bad thing, but they were noticeable. This is not the conversation I thought I was going to have today. Nobody wakes up thinking they are going to talk about some boobs in a movie.

Comment by Rodney Welch on Bookies, The Dreamers, and Paycheck

Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:40:15 EDT

But didn't you think the girl in The Dreamers had, like, the most perfect tits ever made?