And it certainly doesn't disprove my theory that he is a deformed and deranged douchebag either.

Since pain is subjective, there is no case here. It is not possible to prove Michael Jackson was not in pain. The allegations were likely made to create sympathy for Jackson. (I doubt the cops were foolish enough to rough up a celebrity, though they do that to regular people often.) People who support Jackson probably believe the allegations. Those who don't, probably don't.

Good points, but specifically MJ stated that the treatment he received dislocated his shoulder, which was a factual lie.

Did they carry out any medical tests on MJ before the "investigative" dept came to the conclusion that it was all a lie?

Perhaps the man exaggerated the extent of his shoulder injury. Perhaps. However, I don't see how that makes him a PATHOLOGICAL liar..especially as you add "once again". I am at a loss. When is the other time that we the public, discovered that MJ is/was a pathological liar?

I hope you are not going to give an example of one of these child molestation cases because as you have rightly said being a "pathological" liar, which you are yet to explain as to how and when he became not just a liar but a pathological one, doesn't make him a child molester.

I haven't been following this matter because I have been otherwise engaged but I hear Mr Sneddon was on the stand recently and appeared a bit disorientated when being questioned as he seemed to have been caught in some palava. Can anyone enlighten me? I can't for the life of me find any info on the internet about this. I did hear it on the news though.

Hi Sandra, I say pathological because he has repeatedly and very publicly - see last year's documentary - denied his innumerable plastic surgeries, his skin lightening and tried to pursuade himself and the world that his relationship with children is normal and healthy.

The BBC has an ongoing archive of Jackson trial stories, jsut follow the link above

Ah! I saw that as denial rather than any deliberate attempt at lying. Some might say there's no difference. I like to think there is just the slightest difference in being in denial and outright lying.

Thanks for the link. Will check it out. Oh, and hi Eric.

that distinction is certainly possible, though to me part of "pathological lying" is self-deception

Eric:"....though to me part of "pathological lying" is self-deception"

Sandra: Then, I'm in trouble. Just call me, Sandra "pathological liar extraordinaire" Smallson:)

The world must be filled with pathological liars because 8 out of every 10 people I think, are in denial about one thing or the other.

well, I agree that most people are self-deceptive to a certain extent, but theere are degrees, and on the self-deception scale most of us are mice and MJ is an elephant

How can someone be "in denial" about undergoing so many plastic surgery procedures on his face that he is completely unrecognizable?

Eric is right: he's a lying sack of shit.

But he might not be a child molestor, although I wouldn't send my kids to his Neverland Ranch.

Yeah, I'd sooner send my kids to G. Gordon Liddy's mercenary training camp.

After which I might let them go to the Neverland Ranch.

Well, the poor sod is clearly in denial. He has convinced himself he has some skin disorder which results in him becoming a white man. He probably does have a skin disorder but I doubt that is the main reason he is now a white man. Plus, I think it's his nose he has had done. I am not sure much has been done to the face. He simply puts on make up like most rock stars do. It's the lightness of the skin and the make up, added to the severely tampered with nose that makes it look like plastic surgeons all over the land have had a go at that face.

Lying about how many nose jobs he has had is not really a big deal. People who have plastic surgery often lie about how much work they've had done or if they have had any done at all. It's only a big deal BECAUSE it's MJ lying about it.