I'm curious about something: Have you ever said anything about a person of African descent that was not insulting?

For crying out loud! Thanks for demonstrating the typical liberal reaction: bring race into it. Did you read my review of Timeline? Perhaps you can find a way to turn my criticism of Paul Walker into a racist comment?

Or maybe my recent post concerning Star Trek: Enterprise can be interpreted to demonstrate that I'm prejudiced against middle-aged white guys.

How about my article on the Jetsons remake? No doubt since the producer mentioned in the article is female, you'll deduce that I hate women?

And I have absolutetly no doubt that you will think the reason I slam the idea for a Kojack remake is because Ving Rhames is set to play the lead. You'll of course skip everything I say concerning that fact that I don't like remakes because they change the original concept so much. I didn't like the Lost in Space remake either.

What does that one make me? Anti-white family?

Thanks for making my point for me. You're the one that is putting people in "race" boxes. I just see people.

Vic

Vic, you must understand that Diva is the Voice of Conscience here, the only person willing to speak the truth - even if she has to make it up wholecloth.

If you don't like Halle Berry, then you are obviously a horrible racist SOB. QED.

I just noticed a pattern of critical -- and utterly pointless -- attacks on people of color, particularly those who happen to be prominent. For example, the one above. The 'point' being made, that Berry will no longer do cartoon characters, is, as the author admits in the entry, not true. She is already talking about reprising the Catwoman role. So, why write an entry with a false claim as its basis? Nor is there any evidence that Berry is untalented or an unsavory person offered. The entry just seems to be an opportunity to bash her for being successful and not white. Since the person responsible for the entry (-edited- I believe people are responsible for what they say) has a pattern of such entries I decided to ask what is going on. Perhaps he believes such tendencies go unnoticed. They don't.

I'd reply with my true thoughts concerning you and your opinions but I don't want to make additional work for Justene, who would have to delete my post.

People like you notice patterns where there are none. I stand by my statement that the position that you and other liberals take, always calling attention to color, is the biggest disservice that can be done to the very people you claim to be defending.

Find some racism here. I'm sure you'll find a way.

If in this world everyone were the same color, but the same conditions existed, I'm sure you'd find some other thing to latch on. Maybe it would be left-handed people, or those who walk with a limp, or who knows what else.

This is my last reply to you. I will not validate your trolling statements by replying any further.

Vic

I haven't read any more than what's posted here about this topic, but perhaps it's the generalization that's the problem.

The only thing Halle says about doing another catwoman is when she says 'unless I were lucky enough', and from that we come up with a title 'That's right Halle, it's all about you'.

I don't see selfish, snooty bitch in the actual article at all, like the title implies. I see a woman who is ready to try different things, and a woman who would consider herself lucky to be able to play a role again. This article isn't a slam against Catwoman, it's a slam against Halle Berry. But what's odd is that the reasoning behind it doesn't correlate.

If you don't like Halle Berry, then you are obviously a horrible racist SOB. QED.

How does one arrive at this conclusion too? MD asked if he ever wrote anything nice about any black person, she said nothing about him being racist BECAUSE he doesn't like Halle Berry.

I personally don't find Ms. Berry attractive.

I guess I'm both racist and gay!

Hey, a two-fer! :-/

Halle Berry is beautiful--but she is anything but tough. In Gothika, Halle runs down a hallway and collides with two fat guys. Result: fat guys are knocked over like bowling pins, and Halle keeps on running. What the hell is up with that? She couldn't knock over my grandmother. Then again, Catwoman has super powers, so I guess it's okay in that movie.

Halle is working on Their Eyes Were Watching God (TV), in which she is playing the role of Janie, a woman who goes through four bad husbands in the book. Halle isn't far behind in real life. But Janie does somehow become empowered at the end of the book. Maybe Halle will benefit from the experience--and learn a lesson. Drop that zero and get yourself a hero (AKA Dirtgrain). By the way, how well will Their Eyes Were Watching God translate to film? It has a tricky structure (four husbands), and it doesn't have a Hollywood ending.

There is an interesting interview of Halle Berry in the current edition of Ebony, which I may blog if I find time. As Dirtgrain noted, she is doing Eyes and very excited about it. She is also happy to do Catwoman, partly because she admired another woman of color, Eartha Kitt, in the role as a child. (If you ever want to see some white people really freak out over an outspoken black woman expressing a political opinion, read up on what happened to Ms. Kitt after she openly opposed the Vietnam War.) I don't think Catwoman has been out long enough to declare it a failure, as the author of this entry did.

Berry says she is done with marriage in the Ebony interview. However, she is quite generous to soon-to-be-ex, Eric Benet. (The interview may have taken place before he requested alimony.)

So, looking back at this comment, I see I have referred to three very smart and talented women of color -- Eartha Kitt, Zora Neale Hurston and Halle Berry. Some people around here will not be pleased.

Isn't Berry half-white?

If so, I guess you were just puffing smoke up the asses of two-and-a-half women of color...

Or are we still using the ol' "one drop o' blood" litmus test for ethnicity?

I'm so confused...

All this blather about an example of the most superficial humans in our society- my, my, my. That these people are idolized, spoken about, read about, listened to, fawned over, is too much for me. These "hollywoods" deserve about two seconds of attention, none of our regard or respect, and certainly not nearly the amount of money they are paid for what they do.
I agree with RJ. If someone is not genetically only "african american", how can he/she be black? Mac Diva and many others perpetuate the "one drop" prejudice. But, it's not just "whites" who are doing it. Right MD?

If Ms. Tek were around she would object strenuously to Halle Berry being called "black," since Berry's mother is rather starkly white. Whatever she is, she is an exceptionally beautiful woman and a fine actress who has only gotten better over time. I don't have the sense she is particularly difficult or haughty or anything else, although she seems to be in the Hollywood rut of serial marriage.

Oh, a conversation on the significance of Hollywood meat-puppet Halle Berry!

The post said her movie bombed. Big Fuckin' Deal. Who cares.

Um... MacDiva cares -- her she comes to the rescue -- armed with namedropping, charges of racism, (how unusual!) and she even manages to drag Eartha Kitt into the picture. (Another Hollywood meat-puppet, btw!)

Is Halle "untalented or an unsavory person"? Has she been, gawd forbid, "INSULTED"?!

Oh me oh my. Those pesky 'white people' are at it again.

How interesting! How important! I'd love to stay and chat...

--but the news is on and it's about another guy who killed his pregnant wife.

Some many important things to pay attention to -- and so little time!

PS: "FREE KOBE!"

In retrospect I think my article may have been a bit harsh on Halle, but that has nothing to do with her being black, half-white or whatever. It's not necessarily her fault that Catwoman bombed, although I still think that outside of Monster's Ball her acting in such films as X-Men and the James Bond flick have been weak at best.

It was a slow movie news day and I wanted to post something to my ScreenRant.com site.

My point was that I thought her comment about loving to play the role again was akin to spending $45 to go to Disneyland again because it was fun the last time, instead of the reality of having the studio lose (yeah, I know, boo hoo) $70+ million for the opportunity.

Maybe I should have written something about Paris Hilton in The Simple Life 2 instead, except that I can't bring myself to watch that show, even to review it. :-)

Vic

And, there is always another League of the South meeting to attend, you know?

Ms. Tek is not the only mixed-race person at Blogcritics. Nor is Halle Berry the only mixed-race person in the three women mentioned above. Technically, most African-Americans are mixed-race. But, that does not prevent us from being on the receiving end of racism. We know what race we are 'assigned to' in reality. Berry knows that she is 'black' and has said so many a time. She is the one out there dealing with pointless attacks such as the one above and being called the n-word by white folks. She doesn't need RJ Elliott or Eric Olsen to explain race to her anymore than I do. What's next? Strom Thurmond rising up from the grave and correcting Essie Mae Washington Williams about her 'race'?

I agree that in the past "any black" was considered "black," it was even law; but it is a sign of progress that a strong mixed-race identity has begun to develop. It was indeed an ironic, almost surreal moment when Berry won her Academy Award and enthused at length about the lineage of great black actresses, and the camera cut to her mother, who is about as white as my butt in a snowstorm.

My maternal grandfather was as white your butt in a snowstorm. Got my auburn hair from him. But, that has not saved my identifiably not all white self from discrimination. Mixed-race may be biologically accurate, but it is the constructed reality of race that determines how people are treated. If people can tell the person is not all white, that determines treatment. Halle Berry does not consider herself white because she has not been treated white. That is a good call in my opinion.

Speaking of white butts, can anyone recommend something nice for my cycle seat rash? Is it the heat? Is it the humidity? Is it the incredible friction generated between the strong engine and my equally strong and steely physique? Perhaps a nice Cafe Du Monde dry rub would do it, but my local grocer does not stock this savory confection. Maybe some Gold Bond? All tips appreciated!

here ya go!

but again, the point is that a third, more accurate alternative, is now developing, and that this identity has particularities all its own, and that those particularities shouldn't be swept under the rug

MR. SALESKI: Many thanks from the house of Brick.

it's the least i could do brick.

I am an apostle of hydrocortisone 1% cream or balm for the ass-kicking of anything related to itch.

personally, i think Halle is hot in terms of looks, and pretty good in terms of acting. I haven't seen Catwoman yet, but remember that most actors/actresses that star in many films have at least a few flops under their belt too.
She was rather good in Swordfish, and not bad in Die Another Day...
unfortunately i don't think i've seen any other films she's in yet. Not that she's in as a major part anyway.

I don't think she was very good in Die Another Day, but it may have been more the director's fault. Lines that she delivered that would have been very effective if spoken with some subtlety fell flat because of the overt emphasis to make sure that we "got it".

Remember the line "I think I get the THRUST of it."? Delivered straight it would have been more effective IMO.

Vic

Vic

Eric, I am probably going to expand on this in a blog entry. Putting it briefly, I don't think it matters that most people of color are mixed-race, except for recent immigrants. Our experiences are colored (pun intended) by our non-white ancestry, not our white ancestry.

MD, I look forward to it - I guess the question is, is the "identifiably" mixed race experience different from other experiences?

I'd recommend the blog Mulatto Boy. He's an evil Right Winger though, so some here will discount his experiences and opinions.

HALLE BERRY IS NOT BLACK. IM BLACK AND I SAY THAT I WILL NEVER ACCEPT A MIXED RACE PERSON INTO MY COMMUNITY EVER. WHITE PEOPLE DONT AND YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THAT IS HOW YOU CREATE CASTE SYSYEMS WITH LIGHT AT THE TOP AND DARK AT THE BOTTOM I WANT MY RACE TO BE ONE COLOUR LIKE THE WHITE RACE IM FEDUP OFALWAYS SEEING ONLY LIGHT SKINNED MIXED RACE WOMEN ON THE TV AND IN FILMS MOST OF THESE WOMEN DONT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE AND LIVE IN A WHITE ENVIROMENT. PLEASE STOP TELLING PEOPLE HALLE BERRY IS BLACK US BLACKS ON THE STREET KNOW SHE AINT. WE KNOW SHES GOT A WHITE MUM WE KNOW SHE MAINLY USED TO DATE WHTE GUYS UNTIL SHE BECAME AN ACTRESS WE KNOW SHE IGNORED DARK SKINNED BEAUTIFUL BACK WHOOPI GOLDBERG WHEN SHE WON HER AWARD.
BLACK PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP AND YOU MIXRD RACE MULATTOS OR WATEVER IT IS YOU CALL YOURSELVES WILL SOON HAVE TO GO FIND ANOTHER RACE TO LEECH OF

how prevalent is Garvey's view and does it have any legitimacy?

I don't know, but I'd LOVE to hear Mac Diva chime in on this one.

Vic

For the sake of us all, let's hope it isn't prevalent any more than some of the other racist statements I've seen pop up in the comments.

I have read about the skin tone hierarchy, for lack of a better term, within the African-American community. I guess maybe it exists globally, as well?

it would seem to me that Garvey is blaming the victim

I think he's blaming her [and others] for saying she's black, when she's biracial and has been "afforded" and/or taken advantage of the "benefits" of being lighter skinned, such as preferential treatment in the movie industry over darker skinned people.

okay, but then the question is what constitutes "black"? Aren't most African-Americans of "mixed blood"?

Good questions. But I don't know enough to comment any further. Maybe someone else will jump in?

"Aren't most African-Americans of "mixed blood"?"

I've read that Americans who self identify as African American are on average 23% caucasian. Also, many are other mixes as well.

Hollywood !!!

Hollywood movies are generally meant for white people .... the movie industry was never meant for Latinos & Blacks nor Asians or any mixed race people and the funny thing about this is that the Jews helped support the racism in the film industry!!!

The film industry in Hollywood only sees white people....... until you have more ethnic movie producers.... that is what Hollywood will always be a Racist Haven for White Film and TV producers.

You have a few good Latino and Asian, Black actors in Hollywood. and hundreds that you don't ever see.... but Hollywood has pretty much filled there quota on Latino and Black, Asian actors and actresses ......no matter what they tell you or try to sell you...your eyes don't lie and neither does the camera...but white people do every day in this industry and they don't have to change there racist ways because they have the industry in the palm of there hands just like anything else in this country.

"Hollywood and the Movie and TV Industry belongs to "White People" and was never meant for anyone else....just like the clothes for "Tommy Hilfiger"...where never meant for "Blacks to Wear"

People of all ethnic backgrounds in this country are brain and whitewashed and the actors and actresses are too... they don't see the big picture!!!...the big picture is that the movie and TV Shows were meant to advertise White Men and White Women!!! and to glorify there image all over the world...and this is an inside thing.... something you will not read in a book or find anywhere else ....why do you think that most of all the casting calls are mainly cast by race and ethnicity?

Well .....take a strong look at how all the movies are being created to today when they have beautiful Latino or Black and Asian women in movies and TV and very few at that.. who are they coupled up with?....well lets see?...hum.. Ok "White Men" you will very rarely see it the other way around. The Movie and TV glorify White Men as the bread winners voted the worlds Sexiest and the Wittiest and Romantic Adventuress, Responsible and Caring.

And when they show a Latin and Black guy or Asian guys on TV ....well lets see?...he is Funny, Comical....A bad guy or a thug and just a Karate fighter and also as your Traditional Side Kick!!!.

If you think That ... I am full of crap and negative for stating all this... you just turn on your TV or just go to the movies and you tell me what you see....remember your eye's don't lie neither does the camera !!!

A solution to all this above? quit supporting there ratings and there movies and rental movies and just get regular basic cable and save your money instead of making these people "Become Richer" who don't want to see you on the TV succeed ... and when you hit white people in there pockets then you will see a change ...see Asians and Latinos and African Americans and all other ethnic races of people you have the power ...it is at your finger tips to a remote to your TV set you can make a difference.

If you don't ...it will get worse!!! Don't Support there Ratings or Films "Hollywood Will Go Broke!!!"

Send this letter to Everybody you know and don't know!!! Send it all over the world!!!


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