http://blogcritics.org/ A sinister cabal of superior bloggers on music, books, film, popular culture, politics, and technology - updated continuously. en Copyright 2005 by the authors Fri, 14 May 2004 22:50:59 EDT http://backend.userland.com/rss Blogcritics.org custom software http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-64159 my message is more for the listener. Be careful where you get your info. 64159@blogcritics.org Fri, 14 May 2004 22:50:59 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-64132 the vietnam war ended, i would say thats an improvement for the world. People aren't preaching politics because they think it will make them money. If anything its risky because some people may disagree and stop listening. But if someone really believes in changing things they cannot remain silent. 64132@blogcritics.org Fri, 14 May 2004 20:24:36 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63943 Yes, I agree, one must be firm in one's convictions and speak your mind when necessary. As well, you've got to learn to think for yourself. I think these are both components of responsible leadership through example. I can't help but wonder, though - all those hippies & radicals fron the 60's (musicians included) - where did all their political beliefs get them? Did they really mean anything after all, did they bring people to a deeper understanding of themselves, did they change the world? Shouldn't the world be a better place, or what happened? Not being from the 60's, I can't answer that. Maybe it's simply a case of (as the saying goes), "What was once passion is now style." 63943@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 16:51:53 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63940 I know. I agree. Just be careful what you, as a listener, derive from what someone says. 63940@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 16:40:34 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63935 If someone believes in something strongly enough they should say it. 63935@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 16:24:55 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63924 he sings for a country & western Van Halen cover band, ya know. ;-) 63924@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:47:53 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63922 Vern Halen, I can't help laughing every time I see that name. You made some very good points here, but I think more than trying to be critical of musicians, I am trying to make sure music fans think for themselves. 63922@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:45:05 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63920 Let's not forget that getting behind a cause has been fashionable for years, regardless of whether it's legitimate or not. What about bands that support PETA or espouse vegetarian lifestyles or eschew leather clothing (wow - first time I ever used eschew anywhere!)? If you don't agree with them but like their music, are you going to boycott their concert? Does anyone really care if you do or not? Let's also not forget it's fashionable to question the legitimacy of anything and everything in our modern cynical world. And so we get the music critics critcising the musicians who criticise the government who criticise the musicians who criticise them and right back on down the line. What's needed is not more posing, but solutions and leadership, both of which are seriously lacking. It's a sad state of affairs when musicians make political points while the politicians play the image game. Nowadays, just who are the real rock stars? 63920@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:37:35 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63913 that's not the same thing and you know it. my original article was talking about politics and religion because there are also a lot of Christian hardcore/indie/emo bands out there that I see every week. I decided they had to be different articles. You could say that religion and politics could be similar, but your point about love is lost because love has never proven to be a controversial divisive topic. 63913@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:25:18 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63909 Come to think of it, a lot of performers sing about love all the time. Do they really have any more experience with monogamous relationships than the rest of us? 63909@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:17:13 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63907 Mark, I mentioned conservativepunk.com in order to try and be a bit fair, but ultimately it is impossible to get too crazy about the right wingers on an issue like this because they either don't exist or aren't at all vocal. I will admit it if I am wrong, but in my experience at shows over the last few years and reading articles and liner notes, etc, this is how it has been. 63907@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:13:11 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63899 Interesting post Craig. I've always been suspect of bands that mix politics with music.Chiefly because so many don't seem able to articulate their thoughts and/or agendas beyond personal opinion.Jello B. and a handful of other rockers being the exception here. A lot of punk bands/rock bands/hip-hop artists etc. run around screaming "Oh I Hate Bush".Well that's OK but,when asked why usually the answer is usually along the lines of "Because he sucks" or "He's an asshole".While there may be some sort of validity to those points(depending,of course on your personal slant on things political)it takes a bit more argument than that to convince most people of why they should want him out of or into the Oval office. But on the same hand,if they can help to convince their fans to register and vote through spewing political discourse(misguided as it may be)at their shows then maybe they have served some purpose. 63899@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 15:03:58 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63895 most of the bitching about this kind of thing is against left wingers. big deal. why no bitching about people tossing out "support our troups", "god bless our troops", etc? and i think you all are giving kids too little credit. maybe they'll investigate the issue being spouted. they may find out more about it...including the possible fact that the artist was indeed full of crap. 63895@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 14:56:46 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63887 Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? For every one Bono who has sought education and actually spent time and effort to make a reasonable and extended argument, we get a dozen dumb bunnies like Natalie Maines interested only in snorting a quick line of self-righteousness. 63887@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 14:32:00 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63881 An important point, Al. I am not saying these guys don't have points and some of them might even have insight as Bono has proven over the years. My problem is when I get peppered by every other band I see. And I see a lot of kids at these shows who are are as impressionable as I know I was back when I was a young'in. 63881@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 14:14:48 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/13/135029.php#comment-63879 Some musicians actually get involved in LEARNING something about the politics they espouse, and might have some legitimate input. Bono and debt relief comes to mind as an example. Even then, though, it won't work out so good as a few seconds shoehorned in between songs. 63879@blogcritics.org Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:01 EDT