I hate to tell you but most of the rest of the world who have any contact with the US military rekcon they're ALL a bunch of fuckfaces.

From my own contact with US sailors in Tokyo to my friends in the British and Australian Armys.

With the attitude american service personnel demonstrate to everyone not american this whole thing comes as no suprise.

And I LIKE Americans.

"And I LIKE Americans..."

or, as the Iraqi popululation added:

"...especially when charcoal-grilled."

johnboy:

After living in Japan (Yokosuka, Misawa & Tokyo)for seven years as a member of the US Navy I can categorically state your full of shit. The Japanese are the most hospitable people on Earth. I would agree there are a few, a very few, that dislike the US Sailors.

To make a statement such as "any contact with the US military rekcon they're ALL a bunch of fuckfaces." is absurd! How many sailors, in total have you met? Of the almost 40,000 stationed there how many do you or your friends base this on, something less than 100 I would guess. Even if it were 1000 sailors it would be less than 3% of the total.

What would be your guess of the percentage of criminals, malcontents, and mental midgets that are in the US population? 3%, or more? Or for that matter any other population in the world.

In short johnboy, your a clown that has used a grossly flawed example in an attempt to illustrate your point. But then again, you had no "point" did you?

Marc, what?

No thesaurus listing of synonyms for "fuckface"?! You're off your game.

PS: Once was a mistake; fifty times within a few days is a lack of education:

"You're" is a contraction meaning "YOU ARE"

PPS: Saying "your a mental midget" sort of negates the weight of your opinion in matters of intelligence.

"And I LIKE Americans..."

or, as the Iraqi popululation added:

"...especially when charcoal-grilled."


Funny comment, especially coming from what I assume to be a person who is safely at home, free from the nightly sounds of random mortar fire lobbed at your camp, free from the threat of someone popping a roadside bomb as you drive by, turning you or a buddy "charcoal-grilled", free from having seen a buddy die when a building he was in blew up while searching for said bombs and mortars, free from wondering if the little kid waving at you as you drive by is a look out for someone waiting to fire an RPG at you. Scumbag. Try being so funny in the daily grind over here.

"Scumbag. Try being so funny in the daily grind over here."

Sorry, bub, but I didn't ask you to go fight in a fake war for fake weapons of mass destruction. You join the service, you run the risk of being cannon fodder for some politician's misguided wet-dream.

The irony is that in this case, none of the politicians who sent you over there EVER SERVED in the military.

Your beef should be with Bush and Company, the chickenhawk liars who said there were legitimate reasons for going into Iraq.

Found any WPM lately?

No?

So what's this week's reason for being in Iraq?

I know that I shouldn't even bother here, Shark, but Colin Powell does count for something doesn't he? I know Bush's military record is non-existent, so save your breath.

Colin Powell was against the invasion of Iraq.

At least privately...

That's not the point. After the decision was made, he, having served in the military process, had SOMETHING to do with it all.

It is funny (in a sad way) how easily we accept misinformation or rumors as fact and then use them to buttress our case. Remember that the original "BUSH LIED" claim was over weapon-seeking in Niger? Now Joseph Wilson is apparently saying that he *did* receive information supporting that claim. But we've all moved on, and have decided that BUSH LIED about WMDs.

Powell was against invading Iraq? Do we *know* that, or just "know" that?

Last time I checked, the vote in support of military action in Iraq was nearly unanimous. How many congress-critters served in the military exactly? Kerry, McCain, etc, all voted in favor, so what on earth are you talking about?

And does any of that really matter when you make the choice to joke about charcoal-grilling a human being? Cpl Dilmore's big mistake was joining the military, and this means he's fair game for charcoal-grilling humor?

Dude - lay off the caffeine!

(speaking for myself only)

Remember that the original "BUSH LIED" claim was over weapon-seeking in Niger? Now Joseph Wilson is apparently saying that he *did* receive information supporting that claim.

Do you have a source for that?

I saw Wilson on TV earlier this week and he didn't say anything like that during the interview.

And does any of that really matter when you make the choice to joke about charcoal-grilling a human being?

That wasn't a joke. It was to show the average Iraqi sentiment toward Americans occupying Iraq. It's time we face the reality of the situation; stop deluding ourselves that we'll EVER be welcome in Iraq.

With those now-infamous photos, WE LOST THE MIDDLE EAST FOR THE 21st CENTURY.

Lost. Over. Done. Gone. End of story.

Arabs -- and especially Iraqis -- will never forget those pictures; and one shouldn't be surprised that they inspire murderous thoughts toward any and every American. We've created millions of potential terrorists.

If you differ, I'd love to hear why.

As of May 3, 2004, Joseph Wilson maintains that the Niger story was a lie:

Ambassador Wilson: The book is the story of my foreign service career, which included service in Iraq during the first Gulf War, as well as many other postings in Africa and in Europe.

I detail what the Administration did or rather did not do with my report from Niger, and how I responded to what I felt was a lie in the President’s State of the Union Address that needed to be corrected. I did my civic duty and held my government to account for statements it had made. The government acknowledged that the sixteen words about Iraq purchasing uranium from Niger did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union Address. And then the Administration went out to savage my family and myself.

I urged the government to come clean with this story that was patently not true. I did so because I fully understood that it is a penchant of this Administration, and it is a modus operandi of Karl Rove, to attempt to destroy the messenger who brings bad news.

It was important that the government correct the report that Iraq obtained uranium from Niger. [BuzzFlash interview: Ambassador Joseph Wilson, IV]

Found any WPM lately?

What are these? Women of Pure Morals?

Nope. None here...

That wasn't a joke. It was to show the average Iraqi sentiment toward Americans occupying Iraq. It's time we face the reality of the situation; stop deluding ourselves that we'll EVER be welcome in Iraq.

Really? Huh, I guess you'd know that from all the time you spend over here...oh wait! You weren't stupid enought to join the military in the first place. Well, if you had, you might have noticed, as i have, that I get far more friendly waves (granted, mostly from woman and kids) then I do bullets. Did you know Saddam handed out millions of AK47s before the war, not to mention the countless others used by the Iraqi military that disappeared after the war? Certainly enough to arm the general populace. If "average Iraqi sentiment toward Americans occupying Iraq" was hostility, I think we'd be facing more than Ba'athist insurgents, Shia fanatics and foreign terrorits- it'd be every able bodied Iraqi with an AK47, and there would be precious little we could do about it, but get the Hell out. But, instead of facing huge crowds of pissed off Iraqis armed to the teeth, I generally get kids saying,"Mista! Choco-late?" or offering to sell me bootleg DVDs, either of movies still in American theaters, or 'freaky-deaky' porn. I am sorry to have neutralized your argument/rationalization, I guess you'll have to cook another one up.

But there's a bit of a problem picking the pepper out from the fly-shit, isn't there? I mean, these people all look alike. You can't tell a pro-American moderate from a drooling Sunni fascist until he pulls out his bazooka.

I wish our military well. But, man, we are asking a lot.

Maybe we should actively recruit mind-readers?

"Women of Pure Morals..."

Oh, they're no fun!

In Vietnam, a lot of kids said, "Mista! Choco-late?" --- then after dark, they tossed hand grenades into barracks.

If you or I were under an occupational army, you can bet we'd smile and wave as the troops drove by.

And when the sun went down, well.. you know the routine.

"Remember that the original "BUSH LIED" claim was over weapon-seeking in Niger? Now Joseph Wilson is apparently saying that he *did* receive information supporting that claim."

I'm not trying to grind you, Phillip, but is there any chance at all that you might remember where you saw that smear you quoted?

It sounds like neocon-Drudge-ry or perhaps Ed Gillespie, of course, but I'd really like to know a specific source.

Joseph Wilson is not only not recanting his statements about Bush lying about Niger, he's hitting all the TV shows he can to push the story and his new book.

Thanks.

From "Slate reads The Politics of Truth so you don't have to":

Page 28: Wilson travels to Niger and turns up no evidence of Iraqis trying to purchase uranium. The closest thing to the goods: A source tells Wilson he spoke with buffoonish Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf--also known as "Baghdad Bob" and "Comical Ali"--about expanding trade with Niger. The source says uranium might have come up in the course of conversation, but he doesn't remember.

Not the kind of evidence I'd want to try a case on.

Thanks, Nick.

Surely that can't be the basis for the attempted smear, can it? Are the neocons that desperate?

Mind you, I still haven't seen anyone except Phillip saying that Wilson is saying that he had received input supporting the administration's claim (which would be really strange since he has just published a book making the opposite point, and is on TV touting it ever time you turn around).

"Hallucination horrors -- that's what I've got..." -- The Fugs