Blogcritics: Comments on 9/11 Commission Cooks with Rice

Comment by HW Saxton Jr.

Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:01:54 EDT

Yes,it sure does.It's bad enough that the writers are constantly having to explain themselves.I feel for them,truly I do. Now the readers of the post are on the defensive as well. I GIVE UP!!!!!!!! "Hey Jane!!! stop this crazy thing..."

Comment by bhw

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:47:56 EDT

It boggles the mind that the comparison was made between this post and the other obviously not satirical stuff.

Comment by HW Saxton Jr.

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:39:08 EDT

RE:Comment # 31- My answer is 'A'. I'd also like to apologize to all of the little boys & girls on the BC playground for having a sense of humor. It won't happen again OK? RE:Comment # 26- Perhaps YOU didn't find it funny.So what.You cannot understand Satire w/o a sense of humor mon petite chaton'. Q:What does the hateful post of some imbecilic racist have to do with this ? A:Zilch.Zero.Zip.

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:54:31 EDT

Maybe you should spend less time defending your satire and explaining it. Great comedians and satirists don't explain their works. If you are lucky, others will do the arguing for you. Dirt, you're so right. I know (and have said so in numerous other entries of mine) that if I gotta explain it... "...well, nevermind" I'm hoping that some of this might sink in, though, and a lightbulb might go on somewhere out there in between me and the EXIT sign. And as you say, I'm a friggin' glutton for punishment. I've been waiting for someone to 'defend' me, but I feel like Travis at the Alamo sometimes. He died, ya know. Best-- Shark PS: Disregard Comment #34

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:49:09 EDT

Yeah, thanks AL! Now you're in the running to beat "Pirates of the Caribbean II"! That was a low blow, ya bastid. =============== BTW: I'll probably blog on this later, but I want to point out that I WAS RAISED on nasty, curmudgeonly, mocking, poke-a-hole-wherever-there's-a-soft-overinflated-spot SATIRE. Satire. It's not what you see on MAD TV or Saturday Night Live; those are fart jokes for the retarded. It's not Will Farrell and Adam Sandler; those are morons getting laughs from morons. My influences arrived WAAAAY back before everyone became so goddammed self-righteous and overly fuckin' sensitive. ta-da! PRESENTING: Early influences that molded SHARK'S sense of humor and inspired his current writing: Swift Rabelais Cervantes Sade MARK TWAIN (!) (who, btw, was much nastier than the sanitized Hal Holbrook version would have you believe) Old Warner Bros. cartoons MAD magazine R. Crumb Richard Pryor Animaniacs Bill Hicks ---- if you've never read and/or heard of any or all of those, then just stay the hell away from my essays. And good friggin' riddance. sigh... ....Are they gone yet? --- For those of you who chose to remain, tonight we'll be working on the upcoming Mensa Newsletter and then we'll do our 'book circle' talk on Maldoror.

Comment by Dirtgrain

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:48:27 EDT

Jonathan Swift, believe it or not, was taken seriously by some of the idiots back in the day. "A Modest Proposal" went right over the heads of a lot of "Age of Reason" decorum freaks. A sign of good satire may well be that it goes over the head of the Church Ladies of the world and causes an "outrage" (I read Mad Magazine and watched Saturday Night Live--by the way, SNL skits aren't satirical--they are parodies--they have no serious point). If such outrage is good enough for Jonathan Swift, then it's good enough for you, Sharkie (if you have ever seen Cabin Boy, then you might be pissed about this nickname--but I'm only making fun--no ad hominem here). Maybe you should spend less time defending your satire and explaining it. Great comedians and satirists don't explain their works. If you are lucky, others will do the arguing for you.

Comment by Al Barger

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:04:50 EDT

The Yeagley thing doesn't really have anything to do with Rice, so I'm moving my extended response to my "Offense" column.

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:39:33 EDT

And while we're at it, I'd like to ask a favor of everyone: In the future, would you preface your comment with one of the following: a) Yes, I grew up reading "MAD" magazine (in its heyday). b) No, I've never read "MAD" Magazine, but I think Will Farrell and Adam Sandler are a hoot. That way, I can easily determine THE VALIDITY OF YOUR COMMENT, (and whether or not I would seriously recommend that you go into your garage, start your car, and suck on the tailpipe.) Thanks - The Management

Comment by bhw

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:35:16 EDT

you're missing some elementary 'satire gene' I can fix that!

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:34:52 EDT

Please, dear God, let this be about Yeagley, the gorilla comparison, and me as the current version of him... please please please..." (shark with visions of beating "Pirates of the Caribbean II" in overall comments and longevity!)

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:31:38 EDT

BOB KING: "...but putting Condi together with the Imperial Theme from Star Wars was hiliariously apt. I mean, the woman makes James Carville look warm, fuzzy and apolitical." Bob, you're so right, but be careful: compare anybody to anything around here-- and they rustle up an ad hoc digital necktie party...

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:28:24 EDT

David, if you mistook any aspect of my "I, ME, MAC: The Gospel of Blog" as true, then I'm not surprised that much of this goes, how can I say... right over yer head. That WAS SO FRIGGIN' OBVIOUSLY meant as satire that I now seriously question whether you're missing some elementary 'satire gene'. Seriously, Dave, just skip my stuff from now on, 'cause, and I don't mean this to be flippant, YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME AND MINE. Debbie, et al: I don't know what's wrong with 'you people'! (spoken ala Ross Perot, btw) I guess it's a generational thing. Maybe yall grew up on so much Saturday Night Live type of crap that you just don't fucking get it. I'll not assume that I'm the best satirist around, but for the luv of gawd, I've never had my stuff as mis-interpreted as I have on my month or so on BC. BTW: Don't EVER EVER READ "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathon Swift, because he proposes, among other things, EATING THE BABIES OF POOR PEOPLE in order to reduce hunger in Britain. Jeezus.

Comment by Debbie

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:52:56 EDT

"That doesn't pass as satire in my book, sorry." Much like this shit doesn't pass for satire in my book.

Comment by bhw

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:08:15 EDT

Oh god, not to relive *this* thread, but: he was not, in my opinion saying what you think he was. It was a visual metaphor comparing a black woman to a gorilla. He was saying that a black woman is as "naturally" sexually unattractive to him as a gorilla is. To him, they look the same and create the same "sexual aversion." That doesn't pass as satire in my book, sorry.

Comment by Al Barger

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:00:25 EDT

BHW- I don't understand about Yeagley not being satire per comment 16. He was using ridicule and sarcasm, and certainly intended the gorilla picture to be funny. The obvious point would seem to have been that Janet Jackson baring her breast as she did was exhibiting low, animalistic behavior- even a gorilla could do what she did. Understandably, most people did not take humor from that. As applied specifically to the case at hand- Jackson- it may have been fair comment, though harsh. Still she asked- BEGGED- for ridicule with that dumb stunt. The main problem really was how this gesture would be seen as a generalized statement about black folk. Other stuff on his site would do little to make you think otherwise. Bad on him. Nonetheless, the gorilla picture certainly did constitute SATIRE. You might reasonably judge it to be a poor use of satire, or a failed attempt- meaning that you didn't find it funny. Still, it WAS satire.

Comment by bhw

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:17:20 EDT

It's different because Yeagley was making a direct comparison, as if it was truth. There was no satire involved.

Comment by Debbie

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:09:38 EDT

HW, "Yo Flanagan My Man,It's called "SATIRE". RE: Satire-1.the use of wit, esp.irony, sarcasm,and ridicule to attack the vice and follies of humankind. Get it NOW???" How is this different that the ignorant Yeager's comparison of Jackson and a gorilla? Was that just satire? Personally, that goes beyond satire, I think it was SICK!!!

Comment by JR

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:41:18 EDT

It may have been Dennis Miller, but I'm completely unsure... but putting Condi together with the Imperial Theme from Star Wars was hiliariously apt. I believe that was The Daily Show on Comedy Central. The best news editorial program on TV.

Comment by Bob King

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:21:06 EDT

I was unsurprised that nothing of substance emerged and that Condi's statements could be reasonably interpreted in ten-thousand ways. That's what happens when you get a politician under oath; an emphasis on the specific task of being as non-specific as possible. I thought one comment I caught out of the corner of my ear on CNN was hiliarious, though. It may have been Dennis Miller, but I'm completely unsure... but putting Condi together with the Imperial Theme from Star Wars was hiliariously apt. I mean, the woman makes James Carville look warm, fuzzy and apolitical.

Comment by David Flanagan

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:57:53 EDT

Shark, I apologize. I thought that you were saying somewhere else that it was your goal to get into writing. You may have been joking. I believe it was the post: "I, ME, MAC: The Gospel of Blog." Thanks. DAvid

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:47:18 EDT

David: Do you really want to be a writer? Dave, my first paid writing gig was in 1974. Thanks anyway! I can always use career advice. best, S

Comment by David Flanagan

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:35:28 EDT

David, Is it all right with your PC Monitoring Group that I called Justin Timberlake a "little monkey-faced boy" --- or was that verboten, too? I thought that one below the belt too. What use it is to label people this way? What do you accomplish? I think you are a good writer, but these kinds of ad hominem attacks take away from the content and the humor they offer is of the kind that requires the destruction of a human being. You've had people mock you and try to tear you down because of what you believe, how does it feel? Do you really want to be a writer? If so, then I think you're going to have to learn to grow beyond this kind of thing. My two cents on the issue. Thanks. David

Comment by HW Saxton Jr.

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:32:22 EDT

Yo Flanagan My Man,It's called "SATIRE". RE: Satire-1.the use of wit, esp.irony, sarcasm,and ridicule to attack the vice and follies of humankind. Get it NOW???

Comment by David Flanagan

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:29:28 EDT

see also: various right wing sites that portray Kerry as some dickheaded, beret wearing French pussy. Shark, Here's a rule I've learned in life: Don't let the actions of others determine your own behaviour. Obviously, if someone attacks you, you have to defend yourself. At the same time, if they attack you so that they can kill your dog, you don't have to kill their dog to defend yourself. If someone attacks a person you admire in a dishonorable way, then defend that person, but don't lose your own honor in the process. Thats just my view of the world. I don't always succeed in living according to that principle, but I try. Thanks. David

Comment by Shark

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:23:49 EDT

David, Is it all right with your PC Monitoring Group that I called Justin Timberlake a "little monkey-faced boy" --- or was that verboten, too? Buck up, man.