Metallica Part 2: Godsmack louder than Metallica Live!
Published March 30, 2004
At the live concert 3/28/04 and afterthoughts — Part 2
[Part 1 is available here]
Our seats were right on the 200 level overlooking and down upon the stage. Good seats, though I realized how lousy my camera phone takes pictures during concert lighting. Very blurry and sometimes a white splotch. The pictures sucked.
Godsmack opened for Metallica and I could barely understand anything they played because it was so loud. They did a very cool dual drummer solo bit where they mixed a collage of Rush (Tom Johnson would have liked this, I bet) with Zeppelin and Aerosmith. They were too loud, though, and I know the saying: if it's too loud, you are too old. Ok, but even with protective earplugs I couldn't understand them. There is a point where being intelligible vs. being loud becomes an issue and Godsmack's performance proved that for me.
After Godsmack we decided to go get the obligatory concert shirt. We waited in line for some 45 minutes and got to witness some punk steal a shirt and run off, seemingly unscathed. Then we returned to our seats and Metallica was just taking the stage. They were setup in Key Arena so that Lars Ulrich's drums were moved around the stage as the concert went along and that they would be facing from each angle. The TV set monitors hanging far above them were in black and white (huh? no color???) and had annoying lines and other problems through most of the concert. Since I didn't go to the concert to watch them on TV it wasn't that big of a deal but it was a bit discouraging.
Here is the full set list of songs that Metallica actually played:
Blackened
Fuel
Ride The Lightning
Kirk solo #1
Fade To Black
Frantic
Holier Than Thou
I Disappear
St. Anger
Sad But True
Creeping Death
Battery
No Leaf Clover
Kirk solo #2
Nothing Else Matters
Master Of Puppets
One
Enter Sandman
Four Horseman
Dyers Eve
I noticed that the crowd was very into songs played from Ride The Lightning era (Creeping Death, Fade To Black and Ride The Lightning) and seemed to actually calm down and be somewhat disinterested in Frantic from their new St. Anger CD and also the song Dyers Eve, which I thought was unusual because Dyers Eve is a good thrash metal song and one that Metallica has only started playing on this tour. Blackened and Fuel sounded just like the Los Angeles concert with little to no improvisation. Same with both of Kirk's solos. Holier Than Thou was a nice special addition to the set list that the crowd got into as well as No Leaf Clover. One had probably one of the coolest special pyro effects that I've ever seen in concert for a single song: with firecrackers and fire blowing out of the stage during the familiar gunfire opening, the sounds of soldiers fighting in the background it was just downright eerie and poignant considering the whole Iraq situation. They closed the concert with Enter Sandman before the first encore of Four Horseman and second encore of Dyers Eve. I will give it to Metallica on the hanging around after the songs and distributing a ton of guitar picks and drumsticks. Lars spit and threw water on the crowd which as a teen I might have thought was cool but as an adult I thought was lame and uncool. Boy, how things change over twenty years!
Overall I'd give the concert a B grade. It wasn't as good as the first time I saw them and didn't really even know who they were but they certainly weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination. If I were grading on value for the money I'd give the concert a C-, because it was too expensive for $200 USD (yes, two hundred dollars, after you consider parking, two tickets, gas, t-shirt, CD) and the opening act Godsmack, again was way too loud. I know that makes me sound like a wimpy, lame old rocker, but if it's too loud to hear, how can one enjoy it? I never thought I'd admit that a heavy metal act playing too loud could ever be bad, but I do now. With that said, we still bought Godsmack's Faceless CD for $10 at the same time we got the tour shirt and have since listened to a few songs and enjoyed some of their music.
I'll keep saying this though, I never would have thought Godsmack would play louder than Metallica and that I actually would enjoy the fact that Metallica played at a more intelligible and tolerable level. Old age, here I am.
Does anybody else think metal should be so loud that it is unintelligible? The louder the better ... really?
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TD, very nice review(s), thanks! There is absolutely such thing as "too loud" and if you can't distinguish anything and it's paiful, then it's too loud, or too loud for the system in use as Douglas points out.
This is from a guy that stood in front of his Marshall 100W w/ 8 12" JBLs for about six years. There is definitely a "too loud" threshold. There is a certain volume level for that fans like -- where the bass can be felt through the floor, and the power chords almost blow your hair back. But you should still be able to yell loud enough so that the person next to you is able to hear what you're saying. If it's louder than that, it's too loud.
The human ear has a frequency response function. Once the response starts to saturate, you start to lose the ability to do a spectrum analysis of the sound -- you can't tell the difference between a ride cymbal and guitar riff -- it becomes noise. In fact, that's what noise is -- a flat frequency distribution. Beyond that -- here's the old geezer part -- you can seriously mess up your hearing. I know my hearing is not what it should be.
then as duane brings up, besides being perfectly balanced there is a point where the human ear just can't handle it. I'm not sure what the exact point is, 120db or so?
But the funny thing about us old geezers is, uh, "speak louder, my ears don't work so good!".
Actually, considering all the abuse I have given my ears over the years, I have also taken care of them. My ears still hear pretty good. How? Well, the human ear has the ability to continually heal itself. It is sustained volumes that deafen you. Operating a leaf blower all day is much worse than playing Gloria for a minute out of a Marshall stack. I would always make sure after a concert to NOT hop in the car and crank up the tape deck. I had a habit of not even turning on a stereo at home till the post-concert ear ringing went away.
Anyway, take care of those ears. Be aware that there is a point of TOO loud, no matter what. If you can actually feel your eardrums vibrate (go to a drag race!) IT IS TOO LOUD!
With those earplugs, I didn't experience any pain this time around. No ringing, no sounds in my ears like I'm in a tunnel as I've remembered from concerts past.
I do agree that loud is great when everything is in balance, but when it gets so loud that it brings pain it takes away from the moment.
For this reason, I much prefer outdoor concerts as opposed to enclosed areas (domes, etc). Acoustically the sound has been better in my experience.
Someone commented on my blog about how he was disappointed that he couldn't hear the guitar solos. Me too.
Loud with balance is cool, but loud for just being loud blows.
But again, Metallica was better than Godsmack, much better. Here's what I heard for most of Godsmack:
hssssssssssssssa boooommmmmmmmm hiss boom BOOM BOOM BOOM hssss hpwqhetqihepeihi hssssssssss BOOM! BOOM!
Can you name that tune in five distortions?
hello james.i love metallica






Don't hold it against yourself for being too loud. For something to be extremely loud the sound engineers and equipment have to be really good. And I ain't a sound weeny.
For instance, a perfectly tuned F-18 or piston engine hydroplane is louder than Godsmack, but those engines sound so good. Why? The are tuned to precision. Bands and sound systems are the same way.
I saw Sammy Hagar open for Boston in about 1976 at the same arena. Sammy was way too loud. I walked out to the outer concourse. But Boston sounded outstanding. I saw Mahavishnu Orchestra in the early '70s. Way loud, but oh so nice.
Loud for sake of loud is retarded. Fine tuned loud for sake of the sonic rush is awesome.
Think of this. Turn up a boom box to max volume. It sucks. Distorted, uneven balance between high, midrange and lowend equalization. Just plain irritating. Look out for that loud high end! That will drive you away.
Next, turn up a stereo with JBL studio speakers driven by a Macintosh amp (or any high quality system) with perfect E.Q.. Pretty nice, eh? Makes you want to stand there and shake all day.
With huge PA systems it is a very exacting thing. Sounds like Godsmack went for volume without dealing with perfection. Probably going beyond the limits of the system.
Shame on you, Godsmack! Anyway, thats probably what the deal was.