"I could honestly care less."

Call it an out-of-control pet peeve, but I didn't bother to read after this. I can be such a jerk.

Read on.

THAT was refreshing. Maybe a tad homophobic but damned honest. And as good an argument as there is to just live and let live.
Thanks.

Sorry to be such a prick. This really was a pretty funny post.

I think Tom's is a down-to-Earth and accurate entry, too. Interestingly, it was comments from a long-married couple that influenced politicians in a second Oregon county to change their minds about gay marriage. Now, homosexuals will be issued marriage licenses there. I've blogged the entry of Benton County into the fray, along with a history of the two-week old practice of gay marriage in Oregon, here.

Although I don't have a link to shamelessly plug like MacDevil -- GREAT STUFF, Tom. Funny, entertaining, and insightful.


...you're gay, right?

(Nodding in rare agreement.) True. Psycho Shark has never done anything plug-worthy.

Don't sweat it, Craig. I just sent a private message straight to the junk folder because the title said "privit mesage."

I swear, you guys are worse than James Carville and Mary Matalin, and almost as boring as that K Street show.....;)

I have a fantasy:

During the Democratic Convention, Cheney's daughter and her mate are married onstage by the Reverend Al Sharpton.

~AND THEY'RE BOTH WEARING TUXEDOS!

It would be more interesting than the Academy Awards show was.

Shark,
Does the term "shark" mean you think you're the big fish??? People having been having Shark for lunch and dinner for a while now.


By Tom,
"I think water is wet." Gee, no kidding?

I think pussy is wet if you know what you're doing. In this case non of you do!

Roger still think he on baseball diamond in faded green Pinto humping to "Highway to Hell".....

Yeah, during the basketball game. BITCH!!!

#1 I'm still humping. #2 The only thing green is/or was you're dick after the skank ho's ( boy's and girl's ) you've been dipping into... FUCKING JERK OFF!!!

Go and spend some time with your alter ego's. You know?

Welcome aboard Roger. I see it took you seven minutes to come up with comment #13. Very impressive......

By the way Tom, this was an excellent post. I really enjoyed it.....

Chris It didn't take that long it's not a chat room, I was doing other work. You are right however it was not a bad post. I think a lot of people are starting to get burned out on the issue. Didn't mean to offened. I have enough going on with out having to worry whether gays and lesbians are married.

I really never agreed with gay marriage, but gays have been allowed to adopt and have kids it might not be bad to at least set an example of commitment by allowing marriage.

Tom, I believe you actually changed a person's opinion - now that is a rare feat.

If your referring to me you might be right. I have investigated more than a few parents (straight) being sued for child custody. I've seen some really messed up stuff.

If you are gay and allowed to adopt I beleive that it would greatly benefit the wellbeing of the child and their financial future.

My biggest fear of legalizing gay marriage is not the level headed responsible gay couples it's the other. What I mean is that as recent history has shown, if the President or Federal Government legalizes gay marriage there will be thousands upon thousands rushing out to be married out of celebration for the new law and out of true commitment and reponsibility. My guess is that the number could easily reach the one million mark in record time.

I think there have been thousands upon thousands who would already be married if they could, young and old. So they'd just be doing it all at once because they couldn't do it before, not because it's such nifty idea. Why would you question their motives for marrying?

Besides, I lost count of the number of hetero couples I knew from college who got married right after graduation ... rushed right into it at a ripe young age [what a neat idea, we're grown-ups now!] ... and who are now divorced.

Why is it that heteros are given total freedom to screw up marriage [in the big idea and indvidual senses], but somehow gays who marry will actually take the blame for not respecting the institution? Jeeze.

As long as they don't get married in a church I couldn't give a rats ass if gays and lesbians want to get married and enjoy all the taxation benefits that married couples get, etc etc.

Like you said not everyone is a christian, not everyone is religuos. So, why prevent those who don't give a damn from getting married? No reason at all. My only problem with this whole homosexuality palava is when I am faced with a "christian homosexual" arguing about the rights and righteousness (can ya believe it!) of homosexuality. The arguments I have with'em are endless.

As for allowing them get married, I think it's the least of all the problems facing the global world today. Maybe not in a gay person's mind but in REALITY it is truly the absolute least or there abouts.

sp check..religious

Sandra, I agree that the primary issue is one of rights and that is why it is important from a governmental standpoint, but no church can be made to implement practices against which it is morally opposed. I hope more religious people take your stance.

Goodness gracious! Eric and I are in agreement over my stance on an issue?! Ladies and gentlemen, kids, I see a pig in the sky, and would ya believe it?! It has wings...

bhw,
I understand part of what you are saying but I'm almost certain that at least half would be married in a sort of a "victory celebration". If legalized there should be a mandatory waiting period especiallly if one or more of the parties to the said marriage has children involved.

Marriage is serious business for anyone. We don't need 250,000 people six months later saying "what the hell did I do"? There's already enough white trash straight couples for that.

Further, court cost and attorney fees are high enough already. I personally worked for a best friend and his attorney to help him gain custody of his son. Not only did it take two years and $10,000.00 for him, it cost the damn tax-payers more than $22,000.00 because the trashy mom fired two of three "free attorneys" whom the State had to pay for plus the court cost since the ruling was in the fathers favor. IN OTHER WORDS, Children and taxpayer dollars is what I care about most.

But, again, why should gays have a waiting period when straights don't? We have a legal age for marriage in each state, and that should be all that matters. I think the mandatory waiting period for gay couples has been in existence since ... oh ... forever. Lots of people are waiting right now.

Why do you assume "at least half" of gay couples would marry only as a victory celebration? Why do you have this pre-conceived notion of how gay couples think? How do you know they wouldn't have already been married if not for the prohibition against it?

And, ultimately, so what if they marry just to celebrate? Lots of straight people get married for the wrong reasons every friggin' day.

I don't see how children can be hurt by any of this. If a gay couple already has children, they've clearly made a committment to each other and the kids. If they don't, how would any children get hurt?

It sounds like it boils down to the fact that you still think gay couples should be treated differently from straight couples. If the legal age of marriage in my state is 18, should we make all 18-year-olds who apply for a marriage license wait six months before getting married? How do you know they're not doing it just because they can?

Roger: Shark, Does the term "shark" mean you think you're the big fish??? People having been having Shark for lunch and dinner for a while now.

Roger, I am truly humbled by your cleverness. And comment #13 was especially articulate and thoughtful.

Just a few tips:

"The only thing green is/or was you're dick after the skank ho's ( boy's and girl's ) you've been dipping into... FUCKING JERK OFF!!!"

'you're' should be 'your'

"Go and spend some time with your alter ego's."

"ego's" is possessive. It should be 'egos', ie plural.

Your welcome.

bhw, Then don't give a waiting period. I just think that it being such a hot and extreme subjuect, once legalized there would be a large number doing it as a "victory" thing rather than the "right" thing. I stand firm on the issue of kids. If there are kids from an existing marriage then the situation should be further scrutinized so as to avoid any future conflict or litigation by one or more of the parties involved and keep the best interest of the children the priority.

As long as you do the same thing for straight people, especially the recently divorced. Is there a waiting period for them? Shouldn't their children be protected from their rush into a new marriage? Or what about their rush into sexual freedom? Do we "scrutinize" straight people's marital/coupling choices?

We have equal protection in our country for a reason: because some people wouldn't allow other people to have the same rights they do. They'd create "special" rules for them, like waiting periods and scrutiny.

That said, it's all still hypothetical since gay couples still don't have the right to marry in the first place.

A lot of straight men and women a like are gonna be raiseing some hell if their former "better half" takes their kids into a gay relationship. Not to say that it wouldn't be okay with some, but I know first hand Investigating a parent in a child custody matter how shitty and hostile it can get. Whatever is best for the child. They are the ones who don't have a choice in the matter and suffer at the hands of selfish adults. Kids are not here to "be seen and not heard" they are here to be respected as people. In other words leave them out of your immature pissing matches...

As to the question do straight people get scrutinized? Yes. That is why there are so many custody battles. More than half of the time someone remarries they marry someone whom the other parent finds objectionable to be around their kids.

As a matter of fact I'm walking out the door now to meet a lady in small claims court to file a writ (action) to take possesion of a car from her dead beat ex just so she can get her kids to the damn bus stop.

It is not an "immature pissing match" to have the right to marry the person of your choice. If a divorced parent begins a homosexual relationship, that's his or her business. And it's his or her business on how he/she handles the situtation with the kids.

It's truly a shame that children get caught in the middle of their parents marital woes. But you're focusing on the minority of cases where someone leaves a heterosexual marriage and enters a gay relationship. Most divorces and custody cases are between two heterosexuals, and they cause a world of pain to their kids.