Love it, hate it or just tolerate it, without porn the internet would be a very different place. USA Today already noted that a lot of innovation has come from the adult business.

BTW, haven't heard this one: what are German "sheiße" movies? (hint)

God you're naughty! No wonder I like you so much!

First of all, the phrase is "par for the course," not "power for the course.' Second, I think people are disgusted by porn -- hard-core porn anyway -- because sex organs are, basically, repulsive; they're not any more aesthetically pleasing than a kidney or a heart or a liver, and seeing them magnified and close-up is -- at some level -- a little like watching a monster movie or one of those snuff films they show on PBS where some vicious aquatic creature devours its hapless prey. Sex isn't "beautiful," if you're really being honest; it's just so basically connected to human desire that people make themselves believe it is. Anything you want can kind of become beautiful in your mind, I guess. But beauty isn't really what the mind is focused on during sex, or at least not completely; I think the joy of sex and the interest people have in porn has more to do with doing or seeing something hidden, forbidden, dirty, nasty, which is probably the only sex worth having. That's why I'm kind of offended by your statement that "Consensual, protected, safe, sane, intercourse is not a dirty thing." To which I respond -- "Then what fucking good is it?"

I think the joy of sex and the interest people have in porn has more to do with doing or seeing something hidden, forbidden, dirty, nasty, which is probably the only sex worth having.

To each their own. That statement kinda worries me however. =(

Good post, Tek. We need to see more of this sex business around here! Porn you say? I'll look into it. I'll check the internet.

The problem with porn is that we probably all have exposed ourselves to it in a manner unbecoming during private hours, most likely the result of an accident, you meant to type 'prom.' And as the pop ups pop up, you stare in amazement and click where it tells you. It's not your fault. You are powerless. You are flying south for winter. You are hungry therefore pecking the rancid meat of a skid-squished squirrel. Say that.

When it's all over and the remains are wiped away what will be remembered is not the act, not the fact of the violation, oh no, that we'll gladly forget the moment we're zipped; what is retained is a wound to the soul as subtle as a draft, but it reverberates through time and accumulates in the halls of the unconscious until one day, overcome by the truth of it, you die. Only to discover in heaven they fuck like minks.

A lot of people don't realize that we owe a great deal to porn purveyors: over the last 150 years or so, major innovations in media were initially exploited by pornographers; they were often the first to recognize and/or develop various commercial uses for such technologies as:

painting
photography (basic, stereo, color, etc)
film (8mm and 16mm)
video (cameras and VHS)
--and now the internet, *3-d virtual technology, and video games

*look for the 1st combination virtual porno video game environment very soon! (if it's not already out there)

They came, they saw, they conquered--- and we cum.

Blog on that, Shark. Or Tek. That's a good one. Our sex drive drives technology and everything else including lawn mowing and money making. It's all about sex, which is all about reproduction, which is all about pregnancy, lamaze, babies and the temporary devastation of the sexual temple which is the female body, followed by counseling, boy scouts, indian princesses and teacher/parent conferences followed by heated arguments in local bars about whose genes are the genes that made that kid so stupid, followed by the proprietor asking you to leave, followed by a DUI, followed by years and years of the same sort of thing -- and if we'd just masturbated we could have spared ourselves all this trouble. It's like, "He who spills his seed saves the world entire."

but maybe, in this "information age", what is needed is a semi-serious (it could never be wholly serious. I mean come on, there're just TOO MANY possible jokes to be had =+) guide to online porn (i mean pR0n) is needed. Like, which sites are actually worth paying for (and any good free but legal ones), which ones to avoid, service ratings etc.
Also, possibly separately, a "classy" rating of 1-5, or something. I.e. professional Playboyesque or similar (i believe there are a number of professional hardcore porn photographers but atm names escape me) content would score 4 or 5, good amateur 3, anything less 1 or 2. Maybe that's too arbitrary, after all the world of legal porn can cater to a HUGE array of tastes (pun not intended but hey, get your laughs here if you want)

Fisher: Blog on that, Shark.

Um... I believe you just DID.

ya bastid.

But I agree with your conclusion; you'll never know what problems you avoided by staying at home with an inflatable doll or a two-dimensional girlfriend.

~ Not to mention the money!

"Masturbation: sex with someone I love" ---Woody Allen

Jadestar, my advice:

Read Anais Nin with a cat in your lap.

Shark, I'm looking for someone who's willing to lay off the pussy jokes here for a minute, will ya just for a MINUTE? There's plenty more to blog about! This is Tek's blog, sex is her domain, what do I know about sex? I just think we need to come up with a way to stop it before the situation gets any worse.

Since when did the acceptance of porn serve as a sign of someone embracing their feminism? I have heard this argument before and think it's a load of crap. I'm sorry I missed this argument this weekend. Porn is addictive. Most participants in porn are victims in some way. Porn leads to more and more deviant forms of porn.

Once one opens the door to drugs, they want to try more intense drugs. Most cannot dabble safely. To embrace porn, saying because I have embraced it I now have power, is a superficial stance. The naked body is NOT indecent. Most forms of porn are......

Porn is addictive. Most participants in porn are victims in some way. Porn leads to more and more deviant forms of porn.

Addiction is a personal problem. People are addicted to drugs and porn becasue of a chemical (which I don't personally believe) or a weakness in character (closer to the truth, I think.)

Also, what is considered "deviant"? I know where I draw the line, but where do you?

Also, most people in porn are victims is a load of garbage. Sure, there may be some that are forced but there are even more who are attracted to the money and lifestyle. I know that is hard for a lot of people to accept or understand, but that doesn't make it not true because it is hard for one to digest. Everyone that I have ever personally known in the sex industry has been there by choice and are anything but victims. Sex sells. They know this and capitalize on it.

Once one opens the door to drugs, they want to try more intense drugs. Most cannot dabble safely.

Once again, sounds like an issue of weak charater. I've smoked pot. I didn't like it. I don't smoke pot. I've no urge to try cocaine or heroine. I drink alcohol, but I have no desired to get drunk every night. When I feel like getting drunk, I get drunk, when I feel like two bottles of beer, I drink two bottles of beer. I also can go to a bar and just have cokes all night. Once again, this is a fallicy. The drugs do not hold a gun to your head saying "please, do more of me". People make that choice, not drugs, not alcohol, not porn.

To embrace porn, saying because I have embraced it I now have power, is a superficial stance. The naked body is NOT indecent. Most forms of porn are......

I don;t know where I said that if you embrace porn, you have power. Power is something that someone else gives you or something you take. I assure you, my stance on porn is anything but superficial. "Most forms of porn are indecent..."

Sounds like a personal thing again. Most porn is heterosexual in nature. Last time I checked, it was the homo-sexuals that most the world is finding indecent. Personally, I have no problem with either one.

Just as in TV shows, you are going to find some porn that is violent, nasty, scary. But then again so are some non porn movies.

The question of what is deviant and what is not is up to personal tastes. Personally, so long as it is safe, sane, and consentual, I don't have a problem with it. It think golden/brown/roman showers are gross. I don't get it. I think that simlated rape scenes are disturbing. Still, most porn IS NOT that.

And before the joke goes on:

I smoked pot once. Let me repeat: ONCE.

I hated it. Never did it again. Most of my friends to indulge in pot. To be honest, if I had to choose between an alcoholic and a pothead, the pothead will win EVERY TIME.

I would rather have pot legal than alcohol. I've worked security in bars and concerts before. The drinking crowd is the far more scary and violent one.

Ms. Tek, fist let me say I am NOT attacking your character, just your naivete. If I had to guess, I would say you are fairly young. But that's besides the point.

There is nothing glamorous about the porn industry. Most whom participate use drugs on a regular basis. Most are victims. Many choose the business as a last resort. Almost all are dealing with some type of disfunction dating back to childhood. I compare porn to drugs because it has been proven both are addictive. Pot is harmless I suppose,but it's NOT addictive. I should have stated my argument on drugs a bit more clearly.

I have seen porn and it always depresses me. It has nothing to do with my love of sex - which is as healthy as the next persons. I don't always want to have an erection because frankly, I wear slacks to work and would be very uncomfortable trying to hide my continuous throbbing missle.

Anyway, the reason porn has depressed me in the past because it is two people performing sexual acts on camera for pay. Each time, they lower themselves a bit more. Depression is rampant with the sexual industry and I will be more than happy to send you the facts. It degrades humanity, more importantly, it degrades women. With the possible exception of boxing, it is the most corrupt business in the world.

But I will not go on a grand crusade against porn. It's like getting angry at people because they slow down to look at a car wreck.....

Please excuse my typos....

Ms. Tek, fist let me say I am NOT attacking your character, just your naivete. If I had to guess, I would say you are fairly young. But that's besides the point.

Because I don't agree with you and have a different opinion and perspective, you a)assume that I am either young or naive? I'm neither actually. I'm older than I look, well educated, well traveled and more importantly, I will talk to anyone and go anywhere so that I can see through my own eyes so I can understand better. Experience is the best teacher there is.

Let me ask you, how many porn stars have you personally known? How many people do you personally know in the sex industry? I know people in the sex industry... from Dominatix to strippers, to porno people. Some of them are even friends of mine. Where as I would not star in a pron film, I have no issues with people who want to do this. There are some people who are exhibitionsit and get off on getting off in front of you. Even better, they make a buck off of it. No one said you had to watch if you feel uncomfortable with it. But you cannot say that the majority of these people have problems or don't really want to do it. You just don't know.

Anyway, the reason porn has depressed me in the past because it is two people performing sexual acts on camera for pay. Each time, they lower themselves a bit more.

It depresses you. You personally have a problem with it. Okay, fine... that is you. That is not everyone else and you cannot speak for everyone else. To do so is folly. They lower themselves in your eyes. Fine.. that is because that is based on the opinions you have.

Depression is rampant with the sexual industry and I will be more than happy to send you the facts.

Tell me what industry does not suffer from depression besides the lolli pop and teddy bear industry?

It degrades humanity, more importantly, it degrades women.

How so. Give me a specific example why it degrades women. Why does it degrade women more than men?

With the possible exception of boxing, it is the most corrupt business in the world.

Conjecture. Please prove that statment. Everything is corrupt. Everything


And no worries on the typo's... I can't spell even with spell check.

I fully agree on the alcohol/pot issue. I'm 34 and especially early in life I got arrested twice. Nothing serious just puplic intoxication and disorderly conduct(via the booze). On the other hand I (with the exception if the time I was an MP in the Army)used to get high alomost everyday and never had the first problem much less an damn hangover. I've not smoked weed now in over 12 years. For some reason I just slowly quit without trying and just didn,t like it anymore. I'll say this. Doing investigations mostly in family issues(child custody and marital)alcohol and addictive drugs is usually the reason or underlying cause for the action. Mainly child custody. I have been really surprised to see more men than women and/or their attorneys approach me suing the mother for custody because of drug and alcohol addiction. Conversely I have obviously tracked men spending into the thousands, sometimes up to $5000.00 in one week on strippers and call girls. They are also some men I've watched from a distance frequenting porn shops with movie booths nearly everyday after work. The wives usually don't know what to make of this because they are certain that their husbands are screwing around with another women when they're really watcing porn for 3 or 4 hrs a day.

Now that is really interesting.

Seems to me its far worse to actually break the vows of marrage and go screw some other woman than to actually watch one.

Sorry, I just don't see the big deal.

Maybe its because I am an immoral hoyden.

Most cannot dabble safely

i've dabbled in porn. i can stop any time i want.

honest.

oh, you meant drugs...

lol.....Ms. Tek, you may be right about the teddy bear/lollipop industries - great line by the way....:)

I don't know what you look like but was going by some of your stances in your writing, which frankly remind me of when I was younger. Doesn't mean they are wrong, just experience has taught me a few things for better or for worse.

I know no one in the porn/movie industry, though have known a few women who danced for a living at topless bars. All of them, bar none, have felt a need to be the center of attention, specifically when around other men. They have been sad in many ways, taken advantage of many times, and extremely unhappy with who they were as a person. All of them have had low self esteem.

The majority of porn films degrade women - in most cases women being forced to commit acts on men, or multiple men - the main market for porn is men, so male fantasies are recreated, many violent and in some cases repellant. Where does porn end? Humans with animals? Children involved? Objects? It's a slippery slope and once one starts sliding, it's not easy to stop.

The fact you yourself would not star in a porn film is telling. I suppose my fear is how rapidly the porn industry is growing due to the Internet. When the market grows, so does the need for new stars and new films - thus more victims. I think porn, by nature, creates more problems than it actually solves. Yes, we do live in a too repressed society in many ways, but porn is not the answer to relieving that repression.

I am fascinated by porn aimed strictly at women, as you mentioned. I would be curious to know if there was a growing market in that area. Written erotica, say for example Anne Rice's work, I have no problem with. It is the written word and women, some of them underage, some of them owing a debt, many them under the influence of drugs, are not committing sexual acts on camera for the pleasure of men.

I suppose I mentioned boxing only because men, many of them minorities, are being taken advantage of and victimized in many, many cases. They fight for other people's pleasure, are poorly paid, and literally forgotten after their prime has passed. Come to think of it, that's exactly what happens to many porn stars.....

Why I wouldn't do porn:

1) I don't have the body.
2) I may run for office someday. I have enough in my background that will shock and awe conservative folks that I am going to have to combat. This isn't Italy. There currently is no chance of a pron star being elected... But if you are a muscle bound freak who is known for sexual harassment, its no problem.. go figure.
3) I am not a exhibitionist when it comes to sex. I don't even tell people when I have a boyfriend. I am highly private in that area. I'll tell you what I am into and what I will do, but I won't show you how or with who.

There is a huge market for women and porn. The problem is getting over the taboos associated with porn and the yes, more male based pornography. Women are sexual creatures as well. The thing is that what a man may enjoy watching is not always what a woman wants to see.

There is still a concept that men are far more sexual creatures than women. That women don't think about sex or enjoy sex as much as men. The truth is that though most of us may not think about sex every 5 mins... (I did when I was younger. I am only worried what I might like when I hit my late 30's, 40's.)but we do think about sex. Not in the same way that men do but it is on our minds.

Porn used to be typically be something that was supposed to only be for men. This is why most sex stores are not very comfortable for women to browse. However, if you go online, you find more and more places that cater to women and don't feel so "icky".

You will find more of a plot in female porn and you will not find "rape" scenes... You will find, surprisingly enough, multiple partners. Also, the focus isn't on that "money shot"... you know.. squirting things.

I think when people accept more of how the male mind works and how the female mind works, pron becomes much more understandable. I wish I could direct you to some of the companies that do porn for women. The best I can say is to checkout the "good vibes" site and look at their titles. As I said, they tend to be gynocentric in nature.

As far as porn stars being forgotten, mostly that is because of the stigma still associated with porn. Poor Ron Jeremy... he's been trying to break into serious roles since forever. He's known as the guy who banged 3000 women so no one takes him seriously as an actor.

There are some other porn stars that have branched into acting or music. Blue Cantrell is one and there is two other women whose names are on the tip of my tongue... I don't follow movies stars that much so I may know who they are, but I cannot remember names.

I don't know what you look like but was going by some of your stances in your writing, which frankly remind me of when I was younger. Doesn't mean they are wrong, just experience has taught me a few things for better or for worse.

And I have had a plethora of experiences. I forget sometimes because I get bored and I whine but I am very lucky that at my age, I've live as full of a life as I have and have such a wide range of friends, locations and experiences. Perhaps that is why I am the way I am. I've seen it or done it and it didn't shock me, hurt me, or scare me. I want to see and do even more. I really believe in personal responsibility for things. That is why I am the way I am about people who use drugs or drink too much. My father is a raging alcoholic. Everyone was worried I was going to be one. I can remember the exact moment of epiphany when I was drinking Jack and Dr. Pepper and it occurred to me that I can put the cup down or I can drink more, or I can drink something else. The truth is that nothing has really changed in my life or in that moment, or in life and that even though drinking is fun, there are times when you should not. I'm not sure if I am making sense here. I read a study where they say that addiction is a problem in the brain. I can only go from my experience and from my observations. People drink, do drugs, go overboard, because they have no basic self control over themselves. This is not the fault of drugs, booze, sex, etc. It is the fault of a lack of self control. It's not for me or for you or for the government to teach people self control. I can try to help your problem if you seek help, but your problem is 100% yours. No one can make you do something you don't want to do unless they threaten your life or the life of a loved one. No one forced you to get drunk or to get high or to jerk off. Every moment we are faced with "yes or no". If you are an adult then you can handle this. People who have addictions are people who cannot handle life.



And if I can break into the lollipop and teddy bear industry, I'm THERE. What a cushy job! =)

lol...ok, we will agree to disagree. I like your stance on self control.

Porn marketed for women I have never heard of and would be interested to learn more. I would be curious to know if this was truly the case - there's a growing female customer base - or if this was just another way the industry was trying to promote their films/videos/sites...etc....

I agree that women have a sex drive just like men, and that has been repressed for many years. But I wonder if women need the arousal of porn, or if other things would arouse them? And what are the differences between porn for women and porn for men? More romance? Guys with long hair riding around on horses? A Clint Eastwood look-a-like taking photographs of wooden bridges before a passionate weekend in the back of the camper?

OK, maybe I don't want to know!

check out candida royalle's site.

she's been making 'female-oriented' movies for years.

Hahahah...

You're close. There is a lot more of foreplay. As I said, more of a plot. Lot more of things that would really only get the girl off and address her needs.

As I said, there are several companies and had you asked me two years ago, I could name them all off for you...

***after googling***

Check this link out<===MSNBC... NOT a porn link.

Candida Royalle <=== Makes women and "couples" porn.

About post #19. You're write men screw around more than anything. I was just weighing the addiction issues.

As far as porn there is really some explicit straight stuff out there now. I would hate to think that the women don't get off in some of these films. It's nearly immpossible to do some of the stuff they do and not enjoy it. Used to whenever I watched porn it was easy going stuff like Vivid put's out. To my surprise I was dating a girl who enjoyed watching the stuff more than me. She suggested one day that she pick out a movie at the porn shop instead of the local store. She ask me to stay in the car. She wanted it to be a surprise.
I was afraid it would be a bi-sex film or something with a lot of dudes in it. Was I wrong. Son of a bitch. She picked up a Seymore Butts film and a Anabolic film. No story line, no plot, just some serious HIGH ENERGY RAUNCH!

Checked out the Candida Royalle site. Interesting. I would think there would be a great market for that type of adult entertainment. It appears to be cleaner....though I would have to watch the stuff, and not sure I really have the time. But if that type of entertainment ("porn" has such negative conontations) was marketed properly, one could make a mint.....

I am still not convinced entirely. But a consensual couple perusing the right entertainment I think would be a good thing now and then. It's still a slippery slope, and utilizing self control is not the complete answer. There's a reason why we have drug addicts, alcoholics, gambling addicts, porn addicts, etc.....