Blogcritics Comments on Stating The Obvious

Comment by Dawn on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:30:36 EST

Dear Lord, I am waiting until it's out on cable.

Comment by Jesus on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:04:03 EST

I say to thee my children, be at peace, for I am always with thee, and thou maketh my head hurt when thou fighteth amongst thee. Please, be at peace, my children, and don't forget to go and see my movie. Amen.

Comment by Eric Olsen on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:00:56 EST

Why would anyone be "afraid to speak up or enter the fray"? And what is BB right about? I don't believe I have ever tried to quell any manner of free speech or expression of opinion. In fact, the few policies we DO have are directly in response to the wishes of the members. What would any of you "silent majority" figures have us do differently?

Comment by Craig Lyndall on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:35:44 EST

I guess I have a guilty conscience. :-)

Comment by bhw on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:33:35 EST

I think the Mr. Asshole is the person who left comment #35.

Comment by Craig Lyndall on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:22:59 EST

Anonymous people who call me an asshole really don't have much credibility. You can reach me at www.filteringcraig.com I welcome your comments, mr. anonymous.

Comment by supporter on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:37:37 EST

I just wanted to say that people like Mr. "asshole" above only proved BB's point. And Tom leave it alone. BB has made his case and doesn't need you stirring it up. At least BB had the character to apologize to Diva but she didn't reciprocate did she? He had the courage to say it like it is and there are many like me who think BB is right but are afraid to speak up and enter the fray. All the best to you BB. I hope this will be the last of this saga and you will come back again soon.

Comment by Craig Lyndall on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:31:17 EST

"I made my stand and Eric made his decision." Eric reacted to your decision as an operator should when someone QUITS THE SITE. "It is our right to leave BC and make a statement with our reasons if we so choose." Not without comments from the rest of us. Who do you think you are? "This could be my last statement about the matter, OR some asshole can comment after me here and start it all up again." No, no no. If you want the last word, you better say something I agree with. Maybe an apology for being ignorant and accusing? Maybe an apology for torturing two guys who ALLOWED YOU TO POST AT A SITE THAT THEY RUN. Nobody did anything to you, except you by leaving in such a high profile manner. Now either leave or ask to be reinstated.

Comment by Tom Johnson on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:14:55 EST

It is our right to leave BC and make a statement with our reasons if we so choose. And it's everyone else's right to make a comment, good or bad, about your post. That's how the site works. My reasons for leaving have been all the more vindicated and I don't need another week to catch my breath. No, you misread - you need a week to COOL OFF. I think you believe this is a really big deal. No, let me restate that: you think this is a REALLY BIG DEAL, not realizing that, essentially, it doesn't mean anything to 99% of the posters and visitors to this site. I urge you, BB, to stay away from BC for a week or so, cool off, and then come back and re-read your statements. I think, if you're properly cooled off, you'll be thankful for the time away because every time you post, you make yourself look worse and worse. Do you really, honestly, completely believe that there's a conspiracy between Eric, Phillip and others? Do they have secret meetings to discuss you? Don't be ridiculous. And don't be so self-centered - you actually think you're so important that all of these people are conniving to bring you down? Why would they bother, when you're doing such a good job of it yourself? I'm just trying to help you save face. Dude, seriously, take a break - turn off the computer, take a walk, and go get yourself a good soft pretzel and an ice cold Coke.

Comment by some asshole on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:02:58 EST

asshole

Comment by BB on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:53:40 EST

Thanks for the advice Tom and Dawn, BUT you just can't leave well enough alone can you. It seems my point was again lost in the translation. If the hypocrisy of certain people around here is not evident by now then you deserve each other. I wanted to leave BC without any fanfare BUT Eric and Phil had other plans. By arbitrarily opening up the comments section they intentionally subjected me to ridicule by certain trolls around here. And of course Eric needed to put in his two cents worth. And he added injury to insult by trying to cover up his involvement. So excuse me for being fed up with the virulent culture around here. All of the stupid comments I received only proves my point. I made my stand and Eric made his decision. It wasn't a power play - at least from my perspective. It was a statement that I'm disgusted - period. You see Tom, regardless if they had the right to override my settings was NOT the point. I made it clear that I left because of the shite that rules BC. So it seemed to me if they love MD and her ilk then I can play the game as well as anybody. So it's clear that is the way the game is played. And If somebody should dare to ridicule BC he is forced to run the gauntlet of every neurotic, hateful jerkoff that hangs out here. It is our right to leave BC and make a statement with our reasons if we so choose. But typically, certain morons around here just can't resist the temptation to show off their skills at being ignorant. And Eric and Phil were leading the charge. Is that the professionalism that Eric so heartily preaches? I didn't see him or Phil ridiculing anybody else. No, in fact they revelled in the poo that was flung about in my direction. So the message is loud and clear. Integrity and honesty are a convenience only to be used at the discretion of the powers that be. Whomever has access to the switch gets to play God. My reasons for leaving have been all the more vindicated and I don't need another week to catch my breath. So if you want to give advice then kindly point it at the perpetrators that started it. We have a choice here. This could be my last statement about the matter, OR some asshole can comment after me here and start it all up again. No doubt Eric and his hacks are chomping at the bit to add something cute here and prove my point all over again. As they have made it so resoundingly clear - it's their choice. And if that's the case then Tom you had better be the first to come to my defence or kindly keep your advice to yourself. Best...

Comment by Dawn on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:52:00 EST

And to think, I come to Blogcritics to get AWAY from children. For all the shite you have given MD, BlogBloke, you are some kind of hypocrite. Please shut up now.

Comment by Tom Johnson on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:23:35 EST

Nobody here is trying to dictate terms except for God, er I mean Mr. Winn. The problem is he changes the rules as he sees fit. Hence the further clarification was requested. BB, when will you understand this: you are the ONLY person who does not understand the 'terms' under which we post. The terms were made quite clear when I signed up - my writing is mine, but it will be posted to BC forever. I was never under any other assumptions. Why were you? How is it possible that you, as a self-described lawyer, could not understand the very, very simple agreement? Or maybe it's just that you're bitter and want to make trouble? I speak only for myself, but I think that's the truth - others probably do too, but, again, I speak only for myself. You yourself removed yourself from the site - you have not been banned. If you'd been banned you wouldn't even be able to post comments. Regardless, it would be in your best interest to MOVE ON. Get over this, take a week away from BC, and come back when you're not hot-headed. You're just making yourself look like a fool throwing these childish tantrums.

Comment by Roger on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:18:03 EST

B.B Are you an Attorney? If so what State? I'd like to speak with you briefly.

Comment by John Mudd on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:22:38 EST

BB: Mr. Winn is the Webmaster for Blogcritics, therefore he does have the authority to implement terms created by his Editor, Mr. Olsen, or create terms if Mr. Olsen has given him such authority. Cheers.

Comment by BB on Stating The Obvious

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:59:38 EST

Thanks John. Finally a voice of reason. Nobody here is trying to dictate terms except for God, er I mean Mr. Winn. The problem is he changes the rules as he sees fit. Hence the further clarification was requested. But God, um I mean Mr. Winn doesn't like that very much. So as my penance I'm banned from BC. But wait a minute. I remember Mr. Winn saying that I was still welcome to comment here. But he keeps calling me names like his good buddy MD and saying nasty things like go away and such. So now I'm really confused. And what does that say about his 'new improved' policy? Guess we'll find out tomorrow and the next day, and... Stay tuned folks. This gets more interesting by the minute.

Comment by John Mudd on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:23:09 EST

I just want to point something out: (1) When you own the copyright to a written work it simply means you retain the rights to it (i.e., you can publish somewhere else for payment, etc.). It does not mean you own the rights to the publication, or in this case to the website, web log, web magazine, web community, whatever you want to call Blogcritics. (2) When a writer publishes his or her work in a publication, be it Internet-based or print, he or she does give the editor or publisher the right to make any necessary changes for it to fit said publication, although some publications do have more lenient guidelines than others. (3) Publications, be they Internet-based or print, set their own editorial guidelines. In most cases the writers, unless they are contributing editors, do not have the authority to dictate editorial guidelines (i.e., comments boxes, letters to the editor, magazine or website layout, etc.). While I have not had any of my poetry, columns or short fiction work published in quite a while, I still remember the rules, and I still realize how much easier it is for all contributors when everyone follows them. In closing, remember, when you publish a written work or a public comment and the feedback policy allows for more comments in response to what you wrote, expect both good ones and bad ones, and don't take the bad ones personally. After all, everyone may not understand or interpret what you wrote in the same context that you wrote it. On the other hand, if you aren't able to not take the negatives personally, the best thing to do as long as the First Amendment exists is write and speak not, because Heaven only knows what someone will think, good or bad, based upon anything that anyone says. Cheers.

Comment by Phillip Winn on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:50:46 EST

BB, you tell me. You're a lawyer, and yet can't seem to figure out pretty basic things. As I've already stated, you may publish any emails you wrote. Publishing emails from Eric might be a problem, though. I haven't written you any, so you don't need my permission in any case. Now that every question of yours has been answered and every ridiculous accusation you've made has been demolished, now you fall back on some sort of "aw-shucks, I was only funnin'" shtick? I had a sense of humor back when you were boldface-upcasing ridiculous demands to delete the comments of other people. I still have a sense of humor when it comes to other people. With you, now, I am simply answering any questions you ask, as promised. I "get it," all right. You have made clear that you consider posts published here your own property, but they are not. It is that simple. That's just the way Blogcritics works, and the way it always has. Only one other person has ever expressed the same type of mistaken belief, and he had the good sense to go away and not come back.

Comment by BB on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:39:25 EST

Well, then Phil.. which is it? Am I just pretending to be "stupid" or am I the real deal? Um, with respect to your "stupid" diatribe about the emails.. watch it buster or I may decide to publish the WHOLE schmozzle in all its (gory) glory. So ya gotta ask yourself - do you really want to suffer that indignity - so do ya.. punk? :-) Obviously you have no sense of humor Phil and still don't get it. But, shucks now it's my turn to give you the last word.. so please humor me.

Comment by Phillip Winn on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:17:40 EST

Here's a detail: You said you weren't coming back, and you won't stop coming back. Here's another: The only damages anybody has done to anybody else is you to yourself. Every comment you post makes you look more and more immature, as I'm sure you'll recognize in another week when you're the only one revisiting these posts to see if anybody has noticed you're gone. Bug me? Sticklers for detail don't bug me. When people pretend to be incapable of understanding plain and simple English, that bugs me. When you can read the post on this page and still ask questions that are clearly addressed within the post after that, that bugs me. That you're such a smart feller but insist on wasting my time rather than reading already-available information bugs me. But sticklers for detail? Ha! No, I have not responded to your emails, nor do I see any reason to. You had already been told by Eric that comments would not be deleted, and they will not be no matter how many times you demand it. Sending me and email after Eric has already said no doesn't mean I am obligated or even inclined to answer you in any way. Here's another detail: I don't have to answer any emails of yours, ever, if I don't want to. My facts have been straight since day one, it is your decisions that change with the shifting wind. You quit, Eric disabled your posting ability, and there is no problem and no contradiction. You called Eric a "hypocrite" because of this, but it seems pretty common sense to me. Did you expect to post about quitting and then go on posting and posting? Was it a bluff that we took seriously, perhaps? Were you hoping for an outpouring of people begging you to stay? Oops! I know, I know, you never intended to even come back once, and yet here you are, with 20 (!) comments since that post. You read the same comment everyone else did, and you alone thought you saw things Eric didn't say. Stickler for detail? You have consistently jumped to false conclusions, made accusations that were simply untrue (I'm waiting for the list of posts that didn't allow comments.), and continued to go on and on long after everybody else has made it clear that your dramatic death scene has gone on too long. Has anybody stuck up for you? Has anybody suggested that they, too, felt that they had the right to delete other people's comments as you've demanded that we do? Has anybody begged you to come back? No. I suspect you're a last word freak. Your departing post is prime evidence of that. So I'll give you the last word. From now on, as long you don't ask any questions, your summation can stand on its own. As long as you continue to ask questions, I'll continue to answer them. I certainly don't want you feel as if you've been ignored!

Comment by BB on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:58:43 EST

Golly Winn, BUT we legal types are sticklers for details. Sorry if that bugs you. A word to the wise. Be up front at the beginning. And next time respond to your emails in a more timely fashion, especially when you're screwing us around. And when you (and Eric) respond be sure to get your facts straight the first time. Contradicting yourself doesn't help for credibility. As for immaturity, look in the mirror pally. Have a great day and see you around. :-)

Comment by Jim Carruthers on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:50:31 EST

Good, steadfast, simple, solid Anglo-Saxon words have always been my foundation. And upon that rock I will, well, rock. So it's good to know you do encourage your dog to shit on your neighbour's lawn. And probably steal his newspaper and Girl Scout cookies, too, since there is nothing too low for a lawyer.

Comment by Phillip Winn on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:45:45 EST

BB, I've answered the questions in comment 5, even though I had already answered all of them before. I've read every inane and immature comment you've written, and I've spelled everything out so many times that other Blogcritics are starting to quote me and answer you themselves. Everybody gets it but you, okay? Have a drink, take a nap, and come back tomorrow, or don't. You can publish whatever you want — you wrote them — wherever you want, but not here. I will not ban you unless you violate the comment policy, and you have not done that yet. Nor have I threatened to ban you, so you question is a non sequitir. You want to talk about integrity and honesty? Try this: you promised to leave, why haven't you? You said that all you wanted were answers to your questions, and I've given them to you, so why are you still whining? What is your problem now? Anybody (other than BB) who read my post at the top of this page and didn't already know the answer to BB's questions before he even asked them, please speak up. Did anybody find my answers in comment #19 surprising, or did they sound like copy-and-pasts from other comments I had already made?

Comment by BB on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:20:36 EST

Carruthers perhaps you should learn a few more words than "tool", fuck... Is that the "professionalism" Eric keeps talking about? Maybe Eric will loan you his thesaurus. If you don't like it then change the channel fool. Phillip "WOW", perhaps you are as "stupid" as you appear to be. It's unfortunate you took so long to finally spell it out for us pea-ons, albeit grudgingly. Thank you, thank you and thank you. Next time read the entire thread bro. This is not just about software but integrity, honesty and such. I sent you several emails yesterday that you conveniently ignored when this all started. Shall I publish them for ya pal? Have you banned me yet?

Comment by Jim Carruthers on Stating The Obvious

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:50:30 EST

BB, careful or you're going to put somebody's eye out with that. Look, you've already said you want to take your imaginary ball and go home to have mommy get you glass of orange drink. Fine. But stop whining about it. The thing of doing a huff is that you are supposed to shout, stomp your little feet and THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP! The more you petulantly post, the more I think you are an absolute tool. You probably encourage your dog to shit on your neighbour's lawn.