ya well all that is shit bush is two big of a coward to ven compare to Adolf my great grandfather was a Nazi, he loved Adolf as did most, sure a few didnt agree with him but thats true everywhere. now germanys anti nazi laws are bull sh** they have the same freedom of speach as us and yet if u say u suport the nazis bam you end up in jail. theres no stoping the nazis or the Klan or any other hate group, its inevitable worse comes to worse they'll fight like terrorists. so i think anti-nazi laws infringe on freedom of speech.

>>"Deterioration of democracy"? Has she not noticed that there's a friggin' election going on right now? <<

With all your knowledge about the Nazis and all, you'd think you might realise that HERR Moellers is a man, dummy. Plus he probably expected that the recent election would be rigged by Dubya like the last one. Turns out it wasn't, but it was a reasonable guess.

>>Of course, that's why the Germans are against Bush! But how do you explain the French agreeing with the Germans, when they got conquered by the Germans? <<

Oh, of course, that would obviously make them LIKE Nazis, wouldn't it? I am bowled over by the strength of your argument.

>>Quite an authoritative source, a web site that no one's ever heard of.<<

Making a rimshot out of a Holocaust information site for schools to cover up your pathetic lack of arguments? Would you be so rude about it if it was a holocaust denial site? I think your agenda is showing. Incidentally, I'd never heard of you or your site until half an hour back, but it doesn't seem to stop you mouthing off. We can't all be famous.

>>But just a wee couple of differences- the Weimar Republic was about a decade old while the American republic is more than 200 years old.<<

And this is relevant how?

>>Did Bush not go to the United Nations and gain a resolution for the Iraq war
<<

No.

>>And Bush did not start the war in Afghanistan; by supporting and sheltering Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban started that war. <<

Yeah, yeah, and the wicked Czechs made Hitler invade them by having German-speakers in their population. Do you really believe that rubbish?

>>Is Sorensen, with a straight face, calling the events of September 11, which resulted in the deaths of 3,000 Americans, a "so-called emergency"? <<

I guess so. What, you think nobody ever got attacked by terrorists before Sep 11 2001? Try talking to a few Israelis, or Europeans. (If you don't know where Israel and Europe are, I expect the Holocaust website you so loathe has a map you can look at).

>>This is the most nonsensical passage of the piece: Is he actually comparing the Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters imprisoned at Guatanamo to the the innocent Jews of the Warsaw ghetto? <<

Er, no, because they didn't go to Dachau and at the time he refers to were still alive and well, since Poland hadn't been invaded. And the word 'innocent' applied to the Guantanamo inmates as well since not one of them has been tried, let alone convicted, of a damned thing except maybe looking too Arab-ish. I recently visited Dachau, and to judge from the museum there it was several years before the place surpassed current Guantanamo standards of brutality (though of course it did eventually).

>>Is he not aware of the conotation that the phrase "concentration camp" has, for Holocaust survivors and those descended from them? <<

Should he be? What, he can't use the phrase because you've patented it, or what? I'm a Brit, and we invented the things back during the Boer war, so let me say whether you like it or not, Gitmo is a concentration camp.

>>But even if it did- is that somehow the equivilant to the slaughter of six million Jews? <<

Clearly not, though all of a sudden you're taking an interest in Holocaust information? Anyhow, Bush has been in power for four years. Hitler didn't begin systematic persecution of the Jews (i.e. more than of any other group) for at least another year and didn't reach even his first million Jews killed until much later. I don't suppose Bush will try anything similar, but my point is that Hitler hadn't by this stage either.

>>Huh? Because we have sports, we're like the Nazis? What was Sorensen smoking when he wrote this? <<

I'd have to agree with you there! Weird.

>>Sorensen, without realizing it, is actually arguing in favor of US intervention, as the terrorist nations that he mentions are less likely to be afraid of us if we exercise our military power.<<

OK, what were YOU smoking? They'll be LESS afraid of you if you attack them? Huh? Or was it a typo?

>So what's he advocating, mass emigration? <

Would anyone with any sense want to stay there now? Arab or not? Get out while you can, and leave it to Bush and the theocracy.

>>If you're not committing genocide, if you're not putting people in concentration camps, if you're not taking over entire continents, and you're not pushing for extermination of entire races, you're NOT JUST LIKE HITLER. PERIOD. <<

What, Bush has to score 100% on the whol etest, AND have a moustache, before people can get a little bit alarmed about him? He's done the concentration camps, and he appears to wish to invade an area of the Middle East equivalent to all Hitler's conquered territory. Me, I'd find it scary to have a President even about 30% like Hitler. Period.

>>I wonder why they chose to side against America and fight for Islamo-fascism.<<

Something which might be brought out at their trials, if they ever had them. And I just love the way that it's unacceptable the Republican neocons as Nazis but OK to label Muslims as 'fascists'. Because of course they aren't individual human beings, just a generalised hate group like....who were the ones Hitler banged on about?

>>A Nazi regime would have killed all of them by now, but America has killed none of them<<

And you'd know that because of your inside track to the details of precisely who is held incommunicado where, would you? For all you or I know, America could have killed hundreds of them. No messy records, no Congressional oversight: just a bullet in the back of the head. I can't prove it's happened, but you sure as hell can't prove it hasn't, so don't pretend to certainty you don't have.

>>No they're not. Because none of the important comparisons are actually apt. <<

More accurately, none of the apt comparisons is actually important (to you).

>>...he can't un-liberate Afghanistan or Iraq. Or would Sorensen like for him to do just that?<<

I don't know about Mr Sorensen, or about Afghanistan, but when a woman whose husband was murdered by Saddam Hussein's thugs is reported (last week in The Guardian) as saying that life was better under Saddam than it is now, you have to wonder.

Of course Bush isn't a Nazi. But he has consolidated his political power in a remarkably similar way to that in which Hitler consolidated his, and to an observer from this side of the Atlantic it looks ominous. I don't anticipate that Bush will launch into a campaign of exterminating Muslims, or even of gays (though that seems less ludicrous, and of course there's a Hitler precedent there too). However, I anticipate nothing but evil consequences from another four years of unbridled power for the guy.

Still, majority of the popular vote and all that. Truly you have the President you deserve. Enjoy. Glad I don't have to visit your country. Feel free to keep out of mine.

Rob, I believe Steve voted for Kerry - does that change your perspective at all? And what country are you in and what makes you feel it is superior to the US?

I'm not too bothered which way Steve voted, his posting was still laced with garbage. I don't have a personal problem with the guy, and how he voted is up to him.

I'm from Great Britain (Scotland, specifically) so naturally I'd think it better than the US . Right now, particularly so because it is INCONCEIVABLE that anyone like George W Bush could have been elected, let alone re-elected, over here. It's a whole different political climate, and I suppose it's a question of what I'm used to. But the US right now seems gunuinely scary and I wouldn't feel at all comfortable about working there, even on a short contract (I work in IT).

Blair is quite bad enough!

Rob