http://blogcritics.org/ A sinister cabal of superior bloggers on music, books, film, popular culture, politics, and technology - updated continuously. en Copyright 2005 by the authors Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:40:10 EST http://backend.userland.com/rss Blogcritics.org custom software http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/01/21/230522.php#comment-38667 Fascinating and thought-provoking although it forced me to pay more attention than usual to follow along. (smile) Thanks to you both! 38667@blogcritics.org Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:40:10 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/01/21/230522.php#comment-38650 My own attempt to google up the English language version of the "Temperament and Character Inventory" didn't turn up anything useful. I'm guessing that by now some of the personality tests have been given to people who were also questioned about their church attendance and perhaps tests have been given to various kinds of church, synagogue, mosque, and other sorts of temple attenders and then compared to those who do not so attend or profess. So it is possible that the measure used in this study has been found to correlate with actual religious activity. But personality testing is certainly not my bailiwick and I don't know anywhere near as much about it as I would like to. 38650@blogcritics.org Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:57:44 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/01/21/230522.php#comment-38557 Randall, Thanks for your comments. I agree that there are Randian utopias, scientific utopias, and probably other versions of utopian thinking which are not "self-transcendent." But please note the psychologists' definition -- which is not mine: "the extent to which individuals conceive themselves as integral parts of the universe as a whole." That's pretty broad. And without getting into extended semantics, the word "Utopia" comes from the name of Thomas More's imaginary republic -- in which the inhabitants can quite honestly be said to epitomize self-transcendence. ("where no man has any property, all men zealously pursue the good of the public...." etc.) While we may not agree on what is meant by the term "spiritual" my primary point is that it is not necessarily the same as "religious," and I am concerned that people could be confused -- and that too many people in the neuropsychologists' camp will jump to conclusions. To chart such (self reported) behavioral data against brain chemistry data runs the risk of committing the error of post hoc ergo propter hoc. For example, serotonin levels decline with age, and, in the case of Highly Sensitive Personality, levels drop from stress or chronic overarousal. I am deeply suspicious about self-reported "spirituality" in the case of fifteen persons forming the basis of generalized pronouncements about religion. Regarding genetics, other than the mention of a study of adopted twins and "religiosity", the paper offered no evidence to support a genetic theory other than speculation. Still, it is a fascinating study. (I would very much like to get hold of the "Self-transcendence" questions from the Temperament and Character Inventory test, too!) 38557@blogcritics.org Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:50:54 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/01/21/230522.php#comment-38548 You say: "The ability to transcend the self is at the core of Utopian thinking." Well, that is true of some utopians but by no means all. Look at Atlas Shrugged for a very non-self-transcending vision of a utopia. Or read libertarian L. Neil Smith science fiction novels for another. As for what is spiritual: Well, before launching into semantic debates to keep in mind that most words in the English language are overloaded with different meanings. Look up the word "set" in the Oxford English Dictionary some time. There are relational database theorists who get upset by those who use "incorrect" meanings of the word "set" when talking about databases. Some of these relational theorists are accused by others of being religious about their theory. In this research paper a difference in cognitive function was found between groups of people and the difference was linked to a genetic difference. Whether one labels that difference spiritual/rational or some other pair of words is really besides the point and the semantic debate about what is "spiritual" is besides the point. The definition used by the researchers is a defensible definition in my view and represents a reasonable use of the word. An OED dictionary editor would probably find it to be so. 38548@blogcritics.org Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:04:12 EST