perhaps Shaun Morgan should buy a dictionary himself. He may find that his use of the word "subsequent" is gramatically incorrect.I will explain in the subsequent text. As an ajective the word means "to follow". I know the stereotype "dumb musician" can be frustrating, Shaun,but you are only exacerbating the situation by using large words that you do not understand.

perhaps Shaun Morgan should buy a dictionary himself. He may find that his use of the word "subsequent" is gramatically incorrect.I will explain in the subsequent text. As an ajective the word means "to follow". I know the stereotype "dumb musician" can be frustrating, Shaun,but you are only exacerbating the situation by using large words that you do not understand.

and i am well aware of my inability to spell

I thought this rivalry bullshit was reserved for hip hop. I swear if a Seether "mix tape" shows up with a "dis track" on it, I am going to snap.

Bob, I think Morgan is doing pretty well here. The word "subsequent" means "following in time or order of succession," so I think he's OK. You will also note his correct usage of the phrase "couldn't care less," as opposed to the usual "could care less," which drives me nuts. However, I would have placed commas after the words "dictionary" and "world" in his message. I would add a comma after "cookies,"also. Right. Now, I'm guessing that "vitriolicly" is not correct. The words "to the guitarist" should be "the guitarist." I would also omit the commas from around "somewhat vitriolicly" and place a comma after "website."

I enjoyed your stab at correcting Morgan, and I, as a member of the Comment Police, have enjoyed attempting to correct you.

I just find it amusing that this is considered a big deal at all. This is not like Jimmy Page leaving Led Zeppelin. This just an average guitarist leaving a band that wasn't particularly centered around the guitarist being the star. They'll find another guitarist, probably superior to Moody, and the world at large will not care either way.

hey duane. Morgan is really not doing okay. He attached an adjective to a present tense verb. "subsequent leaving" is not correct. You can't have a word that means "to follow" along with something in the present tense. It makes no sense. If he really wanted to to sound intelligent, he would have said "subsequent departure from..." I still think Morgan is an idiot. Maybe he should ask his mommy what the big words mean before adding them to his limited vocabulary.

ok is this english class or is it a forum on evanescence? who cares about being perfect on grammar. it is not important. i mean you dont have to be absolutely correct on spelling to talk about a band you like or hate....right?

Wrong - you DO have to be absolutely perfect or you go to hell.

"Resultant departure from" would have been better and more precise than "subsequent leaving of," which is technically incorrect and, worse, awkward.

Both Bands Suck.

remember that ben was a big part of the songwriting process. not a great guitarist or anything. but he and amy were the core of evanescence, and it won't be the same without him.

side note, seether sucks... i thought better of amy...

David (#8), the point is that picking at grammar is a helluva lot more interesting than Evanescence. Good comebacks from Bob and Eric, by the way.

But Duane, Evanescence is soooooo hottttt, and Amy looked so fit in that pirate outfit and I can't wait for the sequel: "The Curse of the Runaway Guitarist."

I'm just gonna say, that it is fucking Shaun Morgans fault that Ben left. I mean Amy and Ben have been together for ages then Shaun comes along sweeps Amy off her feet and Bens left alone. That must have hurt. I was angry when he left but then thought how upset and damn jealous he must have been. SHAUN SUCKS (my apoligies to amy, we still love you)

Very well said JACK. Not dissing Amy or anything but it seems now that she'll let just anyone collaberate with them......its not right.

putting aside Shaun Morgan's grammatical catastrophe, like any band, Evanescence had many years to write the first album. Now they'll probably have six months to write the next one. Therefore the subsequent album will not be as good. With the absence of Ben Moody, expect the next album to have some nice piano work and incredible vocals. However all other elements of the music will be changed. It will not be the same band

amy will not be with shaun for very long because he is an idiot -- just look at him, the way he acts and the stupid music he plays, with every song sounding the same. moody quit the band because he did not like playing a kareoke show every night with tapes of most of the music and then the band chiming in here and there. and what you all dont know is that amy is not that good of a singer -- all of her vocals were run through a pitch correction device in the studio and she even uses one on tour when she sings. its almost as bad as britney spears --if youve been to her live shows youll notice that her lead vocal is very far back in the mix and all the tapes are up front. i have known ben for a long time and he just got tired of living a lie. and to top it off, amy and ben had a lot of help writing those songs. remember milli vanilli. ben has a lot of courage to drop out of the lie before it destroyed him. he will be back with his own music, and she will be a has been long after she dumps shaun morgan.

I wish shaun and Amy a very long and happy relationship.As for the English lesson for shaun by some of the morons in here,Question: When did American English become the standard for English spoken in other parts of the World. Let's all remember that Shaun is a South African and in South africa, what Americans consider a grammatical error is accepted over there as being non-erratic. Those who (after this message) continue to talk about shaun's alleged grammatical mistake will be exposing their ignorance for the World to see, which is nothing new for americans mind you. In closing pls stop wasting our time with petty grammatical lessons and rather focus your energies on trying to understand why Ben Moody (fag rudey)walked out on a thriving band like Evanescence. Honestly I don't know and i'll leave the speculation to you morons.But whatever it was,it was definately not shaun and if you guys say it was,then You have no respect for this Moody you claim to love,how can he walk out on his livelihood over a girlfriend,a friendship or whatever it was. pls guys catch a wake up.

While all you English professors are doing your thing I'd like to tell you that the main reason Ben left the band was because Amy was being a class A bitch. It's all gone to her head. Someone with the band made a comment to Ben as in...Amy is Evanescence! Ben just sat there and said, "oh really?" Many people done even realize that Amy Lee and Ben are the only two "real" members of that band. That rest are hired hands. Many people also don't realize that Ben wrote all of the songs. He might not be the greatest "technical" guitarist around but his songs have been nominated for noly around 6 grammys. HIS songs have sold that band only about 7 million worldwide to date. How many records did Seether sell...that is before they were taken off the road the start writing for the next record? So if anyone has any questions...Amy might have the voice but without the songwriter she's back down to earth. Ben is Evanescence.

I don't know but I've been told that even in South Africa proper names are capitalized.

Regarding the meat of the matter, time will tell, won't it?

Although she has had continued moderate success, Alanis Morrissette has never matched the success of her first rock album with Glen Ballard who helped write and rewrite a lot of her songs. I am not saying this will definitely be the case with Evanescence, but it is something worth thinking about that Amy might need Ben Moody to help her realize her ideas as a songwriter.

Although I risk exposing my ignorance to the World, as staarr suggests, I still maintain that English grammar is far more interesting and far more important than the personal problems of some pop band. OK, I'm a moron for thinking that. So be it or so it be, as they say in S. Africa.

Fucking LOSER what makes you think that YOU are so cool, oohw, you DARE and say all these things about other people, if you don't like it, good for you, next time keep it to you!
break your ego dude.

my god what r u talking about, this guy is talking crap about ben moody an your talking about grammar?!?

Enough with the grammatical discussions, alright? I mean I know this is the site to critique many things..... but basically this is how it is. Evanescence is a band. Being a band member myself, there is one thing that everyone has overlooked. It has been mentioned above lightly, Ben was a part of this band, for many years. A band is a family, a family of musicians. Like any family, leaving it is not the easiest thing in the world. Evanescence will go through some hard times, they may prevail with added venue, but they will not be the same. Having said that, enjoy Fallen, and expect a different sound from albums to come. Say see ya to Ben, he has talent, or he would have not gotten this far. We will see him again.

Wow..
This was .. interesting to read.

This message is directed to ROGER and GARY MILLS:

It's obvious that the lead singer ALWAYS get more attention than the other bandmembers. We've seen it before, Linkin Park, All-American Rejects, Bon Jovi, basically whichever band you choose - the leadsinger always gets the more attention, because they're heard more. It comes naturally, it's logical and it makes perfect sense, however - it's not really fair.

What you need to remember is that Amy and Ben wrote the songs TOGETHER. It was a colaboration, they were a team. Ben's songs aren't nominated for six grammys, THEIR songs are nominated. There is a huge difference.

I think that Ben wanted more attention than he got, and therefore got pissed because he wasn't in the center - he wasn't the star - like Amy is. My own mom has said that "SHE is Evanescence", and she always will be to some people. Ben dropping off is both stupid and immature, if he had such problems with being in the background he should have done something about it. However, I thought the main reason for starting Evanescence was for him to live out his dream, not get pissed over the fact that Amy gets seen more than he does.
As for Amy's relationship with Morgan, I will leave whether or not Ben's still inlove with Amy unsaid. However, if he did leave because of Morgan, I think he's yet again making a fool of himself. Jealousy doesn't look good on anyone. He's turning 23 years old, he should be more mature than that, and not let a little thing like that get in the way of their friendship and teamwork.

To Roger, that whole technical device on shows is a cock of bull. I saw them in Copenhagen oct. 20th '03, and it was live all the way. I know a whole lot about music, I can tell when someone sings live or doesn't. As for her voice on the record, yes, her voice HAS been tampered with - but every voice does. Comparing Amy Lee to Britney Spears is ignorant and I will leave that further unsaid.

Now, you both seem to think that it's unfair that Amy is being looked upon as the only member of Evanescence, yet you both bash her down, saying "she'll be a has been" and that Ben is Evanescence. They BOTH are Evanescence, no one of them is the band on their own. Then they would be a soloartist, not a band. Amy has written all the songs with Ben, so saying that she "wouldn't survive without the songwriter" is just bullshit and ridicilous. She is the songwriter too.

I'm not going to discuss who is the band and who's not, because it's obvious no one of them is the band, they BOTH are. However.. The fact that Ben wouldn't last a day without Amy and wouldn't come NEAR the greatness he had with her, when Amy is doing just fine on her own, speaks for itself..

If anyone wants to comment on anything I have to say, please e-mail me.

I cant believe all of this. I dont think anyone will ever really know WHY ben left the band, but for whatever reason, it was pretty stupid. He got more attention than those two extra guys that play bass and drums or whatever combined! So if it was for attention, no way. I mean, if you ask someone if they know evanescence and who the members are, yes they will say Amy Lee, but most others will say Ben Moody. If he left for jealously, that is just stupid too. Im sure Amy loves him with all her heart, just as a friend though. The band would be nowhere without either of them, they did the songs TOGETHER. They are both amazing song writers. What pisses me off is Ben Moody is now writing songs with/for AVRIL LAVIGNE, who im not even going to get into. Im just going to say that now a lot of people are probably going to think Avril a great songwriter when really Ben did most of the work when avril probably only wrote a line or two, just like on her first cd. Then there is the whole 'amys voice is fake' situation. Who ever said that, it is bull. Everyones voices get messed around with on a cd, whethere a teeny bit, or a lot. Someone like Britney has no singing voice at all, but it gets tampered with and made better. Amy really does, but they probably have to make it a bit better or whatever for reasons on the album. I watched MTV Diary and evanescence was on there for the VMAS, and she was practicing singing, and they couldnt have tampered with it, it was just her sitting on the couch singing and it was amazing. So once agian, whoever said Amys voice sucks or whatever, you are VERY VERY wrong.
As for Amy and the guy from Seether. Best of luck to them.
And as the for the grammatical errors.. whatever. Who cares?!
And i know i am repeating what others said.. but oh well.

First of all, stop being a narcissist. Ben Moody never blamed you for anything. You are not the reason he left, get over yourself. Secondly, do you have nothing better to do than write crap about people on the internet to make yourself feel superior and knowledgable? like I said before....narcissist. The truth is, you don't know the reason he left so A.) you make yourself look ignorant. B.) Consider the fact that he is a better guitar player than you, seeing how I haven't heard any of your music being nominated for any major awards. C.) You grow the fuck up and stop with your rediculous, remedial-educated comments.
Oh, Boarders has dictionaries on sale, and while your at it, pick up a Thesaurus to help out next time you try to use big words you don't understand.

Hi Staarr. Don't be so quick to judge others, my friend, for you are the one who is ignorant. Upon reading your unnecessarily verbose response (more than likely created with a thesaurus on hand) I e-mailed Shaun's quote to a friend who happens to be a Professor of Intercultural Communications at the local community college. Sorry, Staar. Shaun is a fucking moron...in any country. On another note, the guy from Cold is here to stay. However, I do not remember his name.

HA. Like I really care about what you insignificant humans say about some band that will cease to exist. Answer me this question: What is the meaning of life?

my god..all but 2 of you are complete fucking morons..i mean come on...first of all to those who said fallen was their first cd..get a fucking clue..it was Origin..i dont know why ben quit i think its one of the saddest things..i didnt only think of her as evanescence..i knew him and amy were evanescence..only origal members..and omg for that moron to compare amy to britney..someone should slap you and id like it to be me...dont you ever dare say that again..amy was the freaking CAPTAIN of her choir..so gee i dont think you can be the captain if you dont have a good voice..and yes please listen to forgive me and ocotober which are not on fallen which were put out WAY before fallen..and are pretty much independently made and then tell me that amy doesnt have a good voice..you fucking idiot...god...and as for ben joining Advils writing team..please ben i love you but get some sense...and yes i said advil not avril because i need advil before listening to avril thank you and good bye..we miss you ben..

Did yall se Ben at the grammy backing Amy Up? What the hell?

Hey yall e-mail me if you have any info on the Ben incident(spell?)

And the dudes w/ the grammar issues chill!

sorry sarah but heir first cd was The Sound Asleep EP thank you. Origin was their 4th cd! their 2nd released record.

BOB #16 um ben writs the slow pretty songs dugh My immortal, Hello. Hello! no pun intended.he wrote both of those including Forever gone, forever you, not so slow one of my favorites.But get you facts straight b4 you post stuff.K?

P.S. i agree w/ you that they woun't be the same w/ out him. but i have FAITH in amy!

Grammys

The two had a cold reunion onstage, then told reporters in separate sessions how glad they are to be free of each other.

I for one have just begun to hear about this band "Evenescence". I absolutly love their music, and it doesnt really matter to me who plays the instuments, as long as they love what they are playing. In the case of Amy, she has the beauty and talent to succeed in any path she chooses. I hope to hear more from this band in the future. Keep up the hard work and dont let anybody get you down Amy!

I hate Shaun Morgan, Amy should really break up with him. But I don't think he has the right to say anything about ben Moody for all we know it could really be shaun's fault, thats why he is reacting the way that he is.Because if he had nothing to do with ben leaving why does he even care.

ok....i know this might be a stupid question, but what were you guys talking about when you said that thing about ben still "loving" amy? as far as i know they were never a couple, but im probably wrong.

Hey, what happened to this post? I thought it was supposed to be about grammar, but everyone keeps talking about some rock band -- Effervescence? What gives?

Evanescance is a band that provides music for Human Beings entertainment. As far as most people are concerned, a band comes a band goes and another will take its place. Then before you know it its 2020 and we are all labeled with numbers and don't have to remember anyones name, so therefore we don't need to worry about who is with who and who has left.
As for the petty bitching from Shaun, anyone in his position would have said and felt exactly the same. Don't be so two faced!! It's just another male bitching about another male. We all do it. They're just as bad as females!!!!

DID ANYONE NOTICE WHO BEN WAS DRESSED LIKE AT THE GRAMMYS???? SERIOUSLY, THATS NOT WHAT HE NORMALLY LOOKS LIKE-HE DOESNT HAVE LONG HAIR IT WAS A WIG. HE WAS DRESSED LIKE THE LEAD SINGER OF Seether. IT WAS A PERSONAL FUCK YOU TO AMY....

All I want to add is that Amy has extremely bad taste in men. Shawn is one UGLY MUTHERF***ER.

Warning: Grammar only. Don't care about these bands.
Bob, you have the grammar only a little mixed up. "Leaving" in this case is what's called a gerund, or a noun that is made from a verb form. So modifying it with an adjective is perfectly OK.
However, "subsequent" implies that the previous action (Moody's having a bad attitude) is over, and that the new action (leaving the band) then started, which isn't really what's intended.
So, to me, no on "subsequent leaving," but it's more a diction issue than a grammatical one.
How about "eventual exit"?
As to the commas, no comma after "dictionary" -- in general, you need a comma separating clauses only when the subject changes or is restated, and the subject here (implied second person) is the same and omitted.
I agree about the comma after "word" for the same reason: subject change.
No comma after "cookies." This is the infamous serial comma, the comma before the "and" in a series. Usually, it's left out.
You're correct that you need a comma after "website."
The commas around "somewhat vitriolicly" are nonstandard, but kind of "writer's choice." I'd take them out (and rewrite it "with significant vitriol" as "vitriolicly" is nonstandard, of course), but I get it that emphasis is intended. Maybe dashes.
Keep in mind that the intro was ostensibly written and edited by professionals, and should be judged by higher standards than the scribblings of an egoist guitar player.

That's the spirit, Cancer. You were referring to my post (#5) above, right? I still prefer a comma after "cookies." If he had said, "Now have your cookies and milk, and go to bed...", no comma, because then milk is something the writer is suggesting "having" with cookies. To say "...have your cookies and..." suggests that what follows the "and" is also something to be "having," which isn't the case, so a comma seems appropriate.

Beyond that, a nice bowl of ice cream works wonders in these situations.

Well, it doesn't matter what you prefer, the fact is, most everyone eschews the serial comma, which is the grammar rule here. It's not discretionary.
In your alternate example, you're right, you don't need a comma either. But it's not because of your explanation of the sentence's meaning, it's because the sentence you provided has two verbs, but the same, non-repeated subject, so no comma needed.

Fact is, "discretionary commas" are almost never discretionary. There is always a rule to follow.

Thank you, CC. I stand --- er --- sit, sedentarily, corrected, or, perhaps, I sit sedentarily corrected.

I'm just amazed anyone found something to discuss about this pissy feud among wimpy rockers and their wispy-singing girlfriends.

Even if it's just grammar. Nice bloggin' at ya.

CC, I am a firm supporter of the rules and wish everyone knew them, but there is also a fair amount of wiggle room in punctuation, as long as the writer follows THE cardinal rule of punctuating for clarity. There are times I want the reader to stop, and pause, before moving on, and the only way to achieve that is through punctuation even if the rule says it is more proper to not punctuate at that juncture.

Eric:

Then I'm glad you don't work for me.

Alrighty then, thanks.

Eric:
I meant no offense, but everyone thinks they can punctuate the way you describe. Your readers would much rather you follow the rules, believe me. And the rules cover everything.

I will stick with my statement that clarity, meaning and style are more important than rules if and when they conflict, which shouldn't be all that often.

Hi
I'm really sad about the departure of ben moody, but I'm sure that Evanescence is going to grow as a band. Anyway, I hope too that ben moody will come back after a few years with amy lee in order to write songs. (I wish that he works with somebody else than Avril Lavigne...becaue when he says in an interview on radio that he left 'cause he was disgusted of the industry and there was no friendship and artist connection since a long time with Amy, you don't go work with a girl like avril who just a produce like britney spears.And next you don't say harsh comment on your old friends that he was loving carrying there was 2 month.)
Anyway, I think that they're both down earth and nice people but I don't like the way he explains he's departure. It suggest that it was between him or her to leave of the band. he says that he was a good guy, not a poor rich girl and that he doesn't need a succeful band to define who he was.
I think that those words show his anger. Something happened...none of our business.But I love too much Evanescence so I'm a little curious.
(the love affair seems true : look at the face of moody at the grammys when Amy thanks her boyfriend shawn Morgan, the motley crew side of Ben could be true too, the fact that he doesn't wanted to let the musicians compose new songs and the dictator thing about music seems right but I don't want to dish on him and first I don't no him and he seems to be a good guy. And you know what everybody makes mistakes !!! It's human to not be perfect.

But the grammys were very strange and unhealthy with him and david hodge on the stage. The mood was really creepy.Ben was disgiused like a pimp. Amy was feeling bad.I think he should not come. He's the one who walked away during tour and when you leave a band like this I think that's a shame; and you have no respect to come to a show to get an award. That's no respect for Amy.
I love both of them and the band but Ben should apologizes or do something...and work with true artist and not act like a pimp and earn money on a kid idol as Avril. I hope that it's not going crazy and that he's going to do a good record by himself to show his skills and I wish a long life to EVANESCENCE. BEST BAND EVER.

PS :
I wait the next album of Evanescence. The guitarist of limpbizkit is going to work with Amy and her bandmates.

and look at Resident evil 2 (ben is doing a cameo) and I think that he works on the soundtrack of a Mel Gibson's movie (hope that's not too Christian).

the way the band split is very strange.

on the jacket of the record we can read from Amy thanks at the end :" And ben, my best friend - for seeing me across a crowded room."
from Ben thanks at the end : "And finally...Amy, my best friend. You will always have "all of me"."

ben did not write Hello...go to their website and it tells you...it has Amys hand written lyrics..and SHE wrote hello...get it straight..and i dont care if origin was their first cd or not..i was just saying FALLEN WASNT thank you..am i right about that? uhm yes..and theo..the band did not split where did you get that info..i dunno what happened between amy and ben but i dont like it one bit..its shitty..theyve been friends since they were 12 and 13 and they are gonna let some petty shit get in the way..thats ridiculous..but yes amy should leave shaun hes ugly..and stupid..either way i still love evanescence with or without ben..though it is different..but whatever keep em coming evanescence..i still love ya.oh and P.S. if you dont believe me that she wrote hello just look it up..she wrote all of these going under,bring me to life,haunted,taking over me,hello and my last breath.and as you said metal..get your facts straight before you post something...

it doesnt matter, in the end it will always be ok, ben gets his solo stuff going, i'll buy that cd, Evanescence does another album, i'll buy that too, if they are happy whats the fuss about? and shaun? we dont know him, so how can their be any jugdements made on him, just let these folks live their lives, they're personal lives are none of our business, and if i was grammatically incorrect anywhere here, my apologies, i dont even know why i posted this stuff, its not like me.

I'm going to ignore the childish attacks that are coming out of the comment section and instead focus on Mr. Morgan's comments. I must say, I have seen a lot of tactless and classless assholes online, but this fellow really takes the cake. Any respect I may have had for him is gone now.
Ben was right in keeping his mouth shut about the incident. Quite frankly, it is no ones business but his own.

As for Mr. Morgan's band, he should keep his mouth shut before making comments about other people's music. I listened to some of his tracks and they're really nothing to brag about. Quite mundane, actually.

From Arkansas: Here is the truth behind the Evanescence / Amy and Ben saga. The truth is that no one knows the truth except for two people and God. I have known Amy since she was 16. Her father and I are friends and she gave me a copy of Origin one day while her and her parents were visiting during the summer. The angelic, shy, creative teenager that gave me that CD is the same young woman of today. Just richer. If I were to bet on the reasons why Amy and Ben have failed to maintain a friendship, I would say that (someone) has put pressure on her in ways in which they may not know. (And I don't mean someone from her family.) Amy can handle the price of fame but can others understand how she chooses to deal with it. We all loved Amy before the success and we all believe that she will make the right decisions for 'Amy.' Amy is a talented woman who can inspire the masses. We just need to let her do so and not judge or critize her actions. She knows what is best for her and for Evanescence.

As far as Ben, let's look at it this way. Amy and Ben formed a friendship and look what became of it. A powerful band that has the potential to have global acceptance for many decades. They hit a cord (no pun intended) with millions of people. They are both indepedant, creative, talented people and they don't need outsiders telling them how they should react to suitations in thier lifes. If they choose not to speak then so be it. Leave them alone and let them settle their differences. I don't think what happened was bad enough to create hate between them forever. Sure, Ben walked off on a European tour. Why? Here is the answer. He dealt with a situation the best way he knew how. Don't fault him for doing so. Amy was right in saying what she said and showing her anger. But don't read so much into the politics of the band. Things happen. It all boils down to the spark that ignited the fireball. It was just a spark. The fireball can be contained when and if Amy and Ben choose to do so. It isn't the end of either of thier careers. I can assure you that it has only made them stronger.

To Amy and Ben. Remember that your first reactions to eachothers talents were right. People grow and apart but they should never grow distant.

Mark
Heber Springs, Arkansas

word.

Maybe I'm wrong here but I do remember reading somewhere that they both wrote songs for some part at least about each other. So just because on the official website you find her lyric journal with a majority (not all) of the lyrics in it, doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't have a part writing them. It's a trivial issue anyway. Also in one interview with Amy I was having trouble discerning whether or not the band was happy about Ben's decision to leave for the sake of him being gone (which seems most unlikely) or just supporting his decision. Maybe Ben isn't the only one to blame. (not to blame Amy) Regardless it doesn't matter, he wanted to leave, he left, the band goes on at least for a while. But it sure must have been a pretty big thing that caused him to leave since Ben and Amy ARE ("were" anymore) Evanescence. That just makes me think he really did have some thing for her. Not like that's scandalous or shocking. BTW, last time I checked, Britney Spears has a natural singing voice. You don't get auditions (especially when your crazy young) w/o packing something. I don't like what she's packing but whatever.

But what about James Moody?

and what of Manny the Moody Mammoth?

I think Amy's only 20 isn't she? She's burning brightly and I hope she always will - definite talent. The main thing is she and the band have created some wonderful music which I for one listen to all the time; since discovering that the only way to get Origin was to chance one on eBay for $200, which I can't afford anyway, I've been scouring Kazaa for downloads and now have a fairly complete set of material - only Missing is missing! I love it - even the pre-Origin versions which probably the band cringe at artistically, I love'em. (Out of interest - mine anyway! - I came across another band in this process - Within Temptation - and some of its OK but there's a track called Restless that I really wish Amy had done first - its evanescent!).
Finally, I hope new Evanescence will still power along and ballad beautifully and keep me company on the road, at the desk and in my head for many albums to come!

Now that I think of it regarding the idea of singers having "pitch fixers" during live performances...That seems like the most stupid idea ever. People that can't sing don't go on tour. Now if you were thinking (whoever brought it up) that the in-ear monitors were pitch fixers thats incorrect. Hopefully you knew that. Would certainly hate to be a singer w/o being able to hear the band.

Ben should kick shaun's ASS...And Ben is hotttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!

i agree with most of these comments except i would just like to say..amy is not 20 she is 22..her birthday is December 13th 1981..that would make her 22..seeing as i was born only 11 days before that and am 22..i would know..anyways..whatever happened happened and it cant be taken back..well it could if they made up..which i hope they do..he doesnt have to rejoin..but theyshould at least talk to each other again..anyways..evanescence is great..i love all their music..Anywhere is really moving to me..but is that David Hodges singing with her? i have no clue but i would like to know..anyone who has that info..that would be great..ppl should really start learning how to get along on this place..i mean really starting shit over grammar..thats pathetic..but whatever..evanescence rox and always will.

u guys should go to exodusevanescence.com if u haven't already, they have the history of evanescence, althought right now they are remaking the site because of the stuff thats happened, anyway, click on the history section or whatever its called not the site history the other one, i cant remember what its called ANYWAY u guys should go there.EXODUSEVANESCENCE.COM

I'd have to say that Evanescence is nothing new, Amy Lee is another crap girl singer, and Ben Moody can't play the guitar.
Of course, this is coming from a someone who thinks Billy Joel is the greatest singer ever and Edward Van Halen is the greatest guitarist. Eddie wrote a song in the 70's, way before Evanescence, called "Runnin' With The Devil." Not only is this song better than any Evanescence, it's frikkin' Van frikkin' Halen.
Face it - they're nothing more than some people a recording industry decided to give a contract to because they were marketable. The music industry doesn't care about anything except making money anymore. If the whole Ben Moody breakup was staged to draw attention to the band I would NOT be surprised.
Remember this is just my opinion. And I don't like girl singers.

And why are they marketable? Because people like listening to their music and are willing to buy it! And the concerts, and the t-shirts. Remember there was a huge amount of good stuff before Fallen - an album's worth with Origin plus the EPs and self-cut CDRs - they were talented before the record company came along. The music industry makes money, sure, but it also means a lot more people get to find music they like.
Yes, its a personal thing, but that's half the fun - that's why we can read in amazement that you like Billy Joel! (I knew there was someone...)

Kind of what I meant was, there might have been a band out there like Evanescence, but better, but they took Evanescence because the band members were more physically attractive...that's just one example of what I mean by "marketable." The music industry knows it's selling more than just music.

Yes, I do like Billy Joel, thank you very much. I don't get why he's kind of a joke.

Sarah... Chill please! all i want to say is that they (Amy and Ben) wrote that song together.It was on an interview when David was still part of the band and John(LeCompt) wasn't. And yes I have seen the hand written lyrics on their web site. I visit it almost everyday (my home page).
Sorry for the conferentation.

Sarah... Chill please! all i want to say is that they (Amy and Ben) wrote that song together.It was on an interview when David was still part of the band and John(LeCompt) wasn't. And yes I have seen the hand written lyrics on their web site. I visit it almost everyday (my home page).
Sorry for the conferentation.

Hey, what do you guys think of this one: "conferentation."

Oh no don't start up the grammarians again!
I think a conferentation is an intention to repost a duplicate item. Unfortunately it needs a deconferentation to stop an otherwise endless looping.
Sorry about the Billy Joel thing, he's OK. If we're coming out of the closet here then I'm an Avril fan! (No kidding). I heard her way before Let Go and thought she'd do well. Her success is therefore kind of neat for me. If there are any Forgive Me fans out there - imagine it was an Avril song, not too far removed from possibility huh? (Listen to Tomorrow or Why). I can fully see why Ben has connected with the Avril camp.

if u go on benmoody.com he says that he just wrote three or so songs for her and hes isnt going to be part of her band, and he goes on about how she is such a great writer

oh and he said he wouldnt join her band because it wouldnt satisfy(yes i know thats probably spelled wrong, dont even go into it)his ego because there were no guitar solos oh and i meant he in the other post, not hes...

okay metal..i get ya but the song is credited to her..so at least give her that..all i was saying is thats its not only ben that writes the good songs..who wrote the song that got them this famous..that would be amy lee..with bring me to life..im not trying to be bitchy..i totally agree that ben is a great writer..he wrote my immortal and Anywhere which are 2 of my fave evanescence songs ever..all im really trying to say is that..it sucks ben is gone but ill always love evanescence..and to red..i shouldnt even stoop to your level cause you are so pathetic..yeah running with the devil is about their only GOOD song..and i mean that from the bottom of my heart..i dont care about your opinion sure you have a right to it..but some things are just better left unsaid..like all girl singers suck..no they dont..they got more talent than guy singers...nothing against guy singers..but youre gonna sit there and say youd like rather hear justin timberlake over amy lees melodic voice..thats crap..and if you do say that..you are on crack..but hey thats just my opinion so dont take offense..haha..whatever..

I agree... and to who responded to my "duplicate item" dumb ass! That was not intentional. yeah if Ben getting back w/ the band would mean struggles between the two(himself and Amy). Then my opinion would be that they shouldn't even think of it. Although losing Ben was a big deal, I have faith in Amy!!!!
One more thing I think that it was Mr. Shaun Morgan that caused the split. "Now, drink your milk, have your cookies and go to bed before Mommy gets angry".?! WHAT AN ASS!!!!

Big news!!!! Amy did a duet w/ an aspiring new alternative band...(aspiring[big word]not normally used in my vocab.)The name of the band is called: "Big Dismal" I like some of their songs, I'm more of a heavy kind of guy you know Filth, Otep, Murderdolls... You know that kind of stuff... any way check out this band, pretty cool stuff. The song has major "chick flick" potential. No offense to the ladys.
Signing off. Ha Ha

Will you people please get back on the subject? What is it with you and this pop band ...ummm...what is it?...Irridescence?... What the hell do they have to do with grammar? Jeez!

"girl singers suck"
Don't think so somehow.
Listen to Kathy Fisher (and visit www.fishertheband.com) and then tell me that girl singers suck. She'll blow you away.
I shared 2 long hauls to Nassau from UK with Amy and Kathy (digitally speaking of course) and its the BEST way to spend 9 hours. Well, almost.

glad we are finally agreeing metal..lol..yeah i dont like this shaun character..and duane..the subject isnt grammar the subject became grammar after shaun messed up in his spelling..but the subject is about EVANESCENCE..its not really that hard to pronounce..and btw..they are not a fucking pop band..dont ever compare them to the fucking crap pop that comes into the mainstream..cause it sure the fuck isnt them..so you need to get a clue..and just stop coming on here if you dont like the damn band..and pete hope you werent thinking that i said girl singers sucked..it was red who did..so i was just telling him/her off..anyways thats all i got to say today

I was so happy to hear about Ben leaving Evanescence. He can go join another band and chunk that one chord that he knows. As far as Evanescence goes, I hope they will write songs that sound remotely different from each other. It's pathetic that I can blurt out "Wake me up" over top of each songs chorus. Maybe now that Ben and his 1 chord is gone, they can write songs in different keys.

Hmm... Well, I hope I still like Evanescence, even though Ben is gone. I know that there is going to be MAJOR change in the music. Amy may think she can do it on her own, but she can't. Her and Ben were like Scooby-doo and Shaggy, Batman and Robin, "Weird" Al and Harvey the wonder hampster! It just won't be the same without Ben. I'm just amazed at how Amy is taking it. She's like, fine with the whole thing. I'm sorry, but if my best friend left our band, I'd be a mess! You have to wonder what everyone in Evanescence is really thinking...

I really just plain think girl singers aren't as good as guy singers, and your comparison of Justin Timberlake to Amy Lee is actually as unfair a comparison as you could possibly make. You compare one of the best female singers to one of the most nasal, whiny, overhyped male singers of all time. Take Amy Lee versus Dio. Now there's something that can't be beat. How about just plain facts? A man holds the world records for vocal range (4 octaves!). Not saying this makes him a good singer, but just an interesting fact.

The girl/guy singer debate may be just a little influenced by whether you're a girl/guy yourself, and by how old you are. For instance, as a guy I get more satisfaction listening to female vocals, especially if they're sexy; guys are OK if they're singing about something important to you or you can relate to - this diminishes with age. If you're younger you're more likely to like a same sex singer because they're aspirational - someday I'll be as good as that - which you can't relate to so well for opp sex singers.
Or maybe it's just me. :)

Good points there, Pete. I am a guy and I like guy singers. I know a lot of people who agree with me, both guys and girls. However, I think it also comes down to the style of music you like - rock vs. metal vs. pop vs. rap will all probably have different preferences.

As a guy, I will testify to the tendency to listen to female singers as my age increases. In retrospect I imagine that most guys in their younger years listen to guy vocals because it might seem "uncool." Of course this is due to the fact that guys typically sing about guy things, and girls about girl things. But as I've grown up I've quit caring so much about that and cared more about what has a sound I like when combined with the sound of the supporting music. I look at vocals as another instrument so listening to the words isnt so important as listening to the vocals from an aesthetics point of view.

You can say Amy Lee isn't that great of a singer...and that's your opinion. She certainly isn't "the best" even in my opinion. But I enjoy how her voice sounds with the rest of the music. Combine that with my typically conservative taste...and that shows you why I like Evanescence as a whole.

Ben Moody leaving isn't really that big a deal from a musical standpoint since he wasnt exactly the most fantastic guitar player. Musically he's expendable...and I dare say that to a large extent, creatively he is as well.

Of course the person that instigated this article the Shaun dude...he is really coming off as an asshole...I suppose he knows that and doesn't care but file him in the category of people with attitudes that make me dislike them greatly.

shut the fuck up! you whining bastard!
ben may not be the greatest guitarist in the world(maybe JB,KG or numerous other rock gods...) but he sure was DAMN good! Evanescence is just not quite the same without him... and might add he was quite good looking...

Most of these postings have made me laugh. I love Ben and Amy and Will and John and Rocky and David to death. The band would not have been Evanescence without them. I don't think it was right for Shaun to bash Ben like that. He did that on the Seether message board because a lot of Evanescence fans were bashing him... It was rude. Ben is a great writer. He wrote My Immortal when he was 15!! Anyone who says that isn't talent is crazy. And, as for you people who are saying Amy can't sing... you need to listen to songs from Origin or from the Eps. They are amazing. I can't wait until Thursday, they're going to be on Letterman. I hope they do My Immortal. I think that will boost that song up the charts a lot when people hear Amy sing live with the piano. And, as for you people who come on here to bash Evanescence? Why do you waste your time coming here to bash a band? Do you have nothing better to do?


Amy- don't break anything on the letterman show!
John- you're hot
Will- you look like the guy from "Dreamcatcher"
Rocky- you rock too!
Terry- you rock too man!


BEN--- I LOVE YOU! YOU ROCK THE MOSTEST!! (yes, I meant to say mostest for all you grammar nazis!)
I HOPE BENMOODY.COM GETS A FORUM BECAUSE I'M GOING TO POST WHORE SO MUCH! EFANAR RULES ME!

whatever red..you keep telling your self that males have the most octave range..yeah mariah carey herself is an 8..sheesh..but whatever im done with that subject except for the whole insult thing..you said yourself you think guy singers are better so i was just using that as an example..because yes Amy Lee is one of the best female vocalist EVER..EVER..and justin is not one of the best males..and no way should he have won over george harrison..gah..but whatever im done arguting with you..as for cassie..you rock girl..i totally agree with you that ppl should listen to their older songs before determining that amy cant sing..or that her voice is digitally enhanced..its kind of hard to digitally enhance a cd that was made independently..you ppl need to listen to Forgive Me,October,and Anywhere before bashing amy..anyways..whatever im done..for today..bye

SARAH hey unless you have already there are two songs that i think you should check out. Anything for you, and Forever gone, Forever you.
I agree w/ you on the old songs thing and people need to shut the hell up until they listen to her other songs. The only reason they are saying that, is b/c Bring me to life was played out and it anoyed them that it was played so much. Whatever to them.... She's famous thy aren't. Later days

I never denied that he was good...he's just not the greatest. But its the nature of playing an instrument...there's a good bet that someone else out there can play just like you. Of course they may not write riffs like you...but honestly...when power chords are the bulk of your compilation (as not to overshadow the vocalist)...there's only so much you can do. But again...he's expendable...yeah it sucks..but it's not the end of the world (or the band). No need to get hostile with me...gees I clarified that I did enjoy their music.

BTW, if anyone has any of the EP's or Origin...email me...would terribly like to listen to them (at a non-crappy bit-rate.) I don't feel bad for asking since Amy said don't bother trying to get official copies. Just "share" them with other people.

Niolos. I have all of the ep's every single, every unreleased track you could think of even the aspired "Remember", which is "said" to be on thier next CD. You can't even find the lyrics to this song and no i'm not talking about "You". So e-mail me if you are interested. Or if you have Kazaa Lite ++ Then just look up my user name under search "BigBo"
Good Luck!
Remember the Alamo!!! Ha Ha Inside Joke.

Actually I think he should dump amy. she's like an infectious disease that turns everything she touches into crap

Ok. The Letterman performance (02/27/04) was frankly terrible. I found myself fighting a fight-or-flight type response to mute the TV or turn it off. Something is definitely up. I was also on the exodusevanescence irc channel at the time. It's not an uncommon opinion currently that Evanescence is headed for a final dissolution. After watching that horrendous performance, I don't disagree with the channel folks. Amy was not happy and didn't seem comfortable at all. The rest of the band was uninspired and totally secondary. Yes they are exhausted and need to end this insane tour. What I am saying and describing goes beyond that. It was all so obvious to me watching that gut-wrenching performance. I hope myself and other Ev fans are wrong but the outlook is bleak...

Umm, Sarah, males actually do have the most octave range, check the Guiness Book of World Records. And Mariah Carey doesn't have an 8 octave range. That's actually ridiculous. Anyone who knows about vocal range knows that a legitimate 8 octave range is impossible. Hear me? IMPOSSIBLE. No really, IMPOSSIBLE.

Amy Lee's voice is not bad, I never said that. It's good. Happy? I just don't think it compares with the best. Since singing has far more to do with talent than instrument playing, I am usually more impressed with people like Steve Vai then I am Amy Lee. But then again, Steve Vai is a whole level above Lee; this comparison is almost an insult to him.

okay RED whatever you say mister know it all..like i said im done with this conversation..or can you NOT READ..dumbass..fucking shut the hell up already..and again THAT is just YOUR opinion that shes not as good as the rest..cause in my opinion shes as good as the rest and even better..now for the letterman show..okay..that wasnt a very good performance then again it wasnt as awful as you make it out to be orgo..all she sounded was either nervouse or like she had a sore throat..it didnt look in any way that she wasnt happy or that they were about to break up..they are no where near done in my opinion..so ben left..she seems to be just fine with it..so obvioulsy THEY had the falling out not him and the band..him and amy..whatever happened happened..if they didnt think they could go on they wouldnt have had the guy from cold join the band..so the girl was worn out..shes been touring..that takes alot of a persons voice..if you sing and sing and sing every night..so you need to be a little more easy on the girl..sheesh..everyone has a bad singing night in their life..look at william hung..there was no way he was gonna make on american idol and he didnt but what happened? someone gave him a recording contract..hes one of the worst singers ive ever heard..all im saying is you need to be a lil more leanient to amy after shes been touring and singing so much..im sure your voice would have sounded just as bad if youd been as busy as her..anyways..one bad performance doesnt mean a damn thing..they did great at the big in 2003 awards..but the performance wasnt near as bad as you made it out to be..but whatever..now metal..no i do not have either of those songs..i will definetly try to get ahold of them...and thank you for saying that about ppl needing to listen to their old stuff which was independely released before coming to the assumption that the girl cant sing..and last night? that didnt mean shit..so what if she didnt sing that good..not every person is gonna sing as good as they did the night before..shit...anyways..im done..

I was disappointed with the Letterman performance as well. I hate live performances on tv anyway since the current condition of the equipment and the drug usage of the sound man, and not to mention the audio compression dictate the quality of the performance. Definitely wasn't at her peak. I'm still disappointed I didn't get to see them at the Beale St. Music Festival cause they didn't show for whatever reason. But yeah, Letterman, I was fighting the urge to change the channel. Not the best of nights.

now..i never said i wasnt disappointed in the performance i just said it wasnt as bad as orgo made it out to be..you guys really dont understand anything about singing do you? i mean honestly you cant expect a person to sing just as exactly as their cd EVERY DAMN SINGLE NIGHT THEY PERFORM THE SONG..so i was just saying you should give her a little leeway..after all the nights of singing and what not..a persons voice isnt going to be in tip top shape..now im gonna say something about another band..and that band is no doubt..gwen was once ordered by her doctor not to even SPEAK because she got a sore throat from singing..so all i was saying was take that into consideration..yes the performance wasnt all that great..but i dont care..one bad performance doesnt make them the worst live performers ever..anyways..why do ppl come on here and say the like the damn band but then talk shit about them..thats one thing i cant stand..that to me means you arent a loyal fan..so ppl need to stop the arguing over WHATEVER..its stupid..

word...

i feel that evanescence will not go far Without BEN.no disrespect for amy or anyone else but he was the glue of the whole music. i can sense it intuitively that all the power and magnetism in Fallen was Simply Ben being himself. If he felt that this new fame thing was curtailing his creativity and some personal differenes were increasing,he considred it wiser to be free and explore himself rather than staying where he was stuck.its the essence of being a poet doin only what feels good.as for the authenticity of that shaun morgan thing i doubt it.although i wish shaun and amy good fortune.Ben cannot be so shallow.

You moron dont compare amy with britney!! Ben will go very far as a musician on his own.he is already collaborating with major artists.he is brimming with ideas which will definitely add to his current prowess and success.Ben will rOCK ON TILL dEATH.HIS physical presence is never on the Videos but His spiritual existence will always be fonund in Fallen.hope you listen to this Ben.

i think its kinda funny how seether truly sucks donkey balls...and when i saw them open for manson, they sounded like nirvana wannabes...and not to my surprise...they played a nirvana cover...

Gees people love to start a fight. Just because I critique the music doesn't mean I can't like it. Analyzing a performance isn't "talking shit" and doesn't imply someone isn't "loyal."

I don't want to waste my time being a "devoted" fan like many are who buy all the merch (aint got the money), make their own crappy website about the band (aint got the time), and go around all day screaming " ROCKS!" and religiously defending any near insulting statements with a stern "you suck shut up!" Not to mention the fans that go around talking like they know the band personally and chat with them every night on AIM and send each other greeting cards every holiday, they're they most annoying.

Anyway, the point is, I like to listen to high quality performances and if there just happens to be a sub-par performance, there's no shame in saying "that wasn't their greatest" or "i was disappointed." It builds character in a band anyway to have bad performances. So don't jump on my back or anyone elses who just happen to not like to smooth over every performance a band makes with "it didnt suck they rock so much they cant suck!"

OMG, Shaun is hot!! I can't believe Amy's so young though. I thought she was like going onto 40 or something.

okay Kayroon..i think you are totally wrong..ben wasnt the glue to evanescence..AMY AND BEN were..again i say..HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WROTE THE GOOD SONGS..freaking amy wrote the one that got them this famous in the first place..so maybe sometime some ppl need to give her a lil credit i mean really..she was there in the beginning just like ben..and with your MAJOR ARTISTS comment..what you like advil and kelly? the lil fake wannabe punk bitch and miss american idol? whatever...and to nicolas..dont just assume that i am one of the fans that has to have every piece of merchandise or have like 20 diff website up for them..cause in all honesty i dont...i dont have the money for that shit either..and you didnt say that you were disappointed..you said you felt like turning the channel...that is in my opioin..rude...and neither do i go running down the street..EVANESCENCE ROCKS AND ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIKE THEM SUCKS!..and never did i say that they rock so much they cant suck..cause yes okay that performance was not great..all i was trying to say at all was that ppl should give her a break i mean really..how long have they been on tour for? anyways..im done with this conversation too..and uhm SHAUN MORGAN IS THE UGLIEST THING IVE EVER SEEN..and amy lee doesnt not look like shes going on 40...god..rude..she looks 22 to me...anyways...evanescence will always have "ALL OF ME"..

miss sarah by major artists i also mean NICKLEBACK.If you check the net thoroughly.and look at the evanescence website carefully.even amy says that ben comes with the idea of the song while she just perfects it and adds gloss.!all songs hav been cowritten if u look at the cd cover maybe we should check ben moody site for the real logic.its still under construction though.somehow this dum debate is fun.this my first time participation.!

amy lee also claimed to be a dumb chick behind the piano.i guess ben can convert avrils voice into goth metal maybe like evanescence. just wait and see who knows.ben really knows how 2 surprise us doesnt he?

Just saw Evanescence in Boston. Their last show for this tour. So sad not to see Ben and the keyboard player there! I miss my Ben:(( The show was all about Amy this time. Saw them almost a year prior to this show with Ben- what a great show! All I can say is ..at least he's being professional about the split. Perhaps his heart was broken by Amy and this Seether asshole, but Ben has bigger projects ahead of him! He's a talented writer and deserves to keep moving. Good luck to Amy, too, she's gonna need it. I hear sophmore albums usually flop!

okay Kayroon..first of all..you need to go read amy lees interview with undercover before saying that it was all ben..again...ill qoute her even and save you the trouble.."i have never gone this long with out writing..ive always been a writer,before ben,during ben,after ben, ben didnt just write the album,we did it together" anyways yes they wrote stuff together but shes also written songs by herself.thats my point...is dont give him all the damn credit..cause there would be no evanescecne without her..its not like she asked him to come up to her and introduce herself while she was sitting at that piano playin id do anything for love(but i wont do that)..no that was his choice all alone..and now he wants to abandon her when he used to be blown away by her..whatever..all im saying is give her credit too..and to Sarah2..please learn what you are speaking about before you actually say it..because if you knew anything about evanescence you would know that this upcoming album is not their Sophomore album..first they had an EP called Sound Asleep..then their own CD-R called Evanescence..THEN they put out ORIGIN..then they put out FALLEN..so i dont think that the next one is their sophomore album..youve been following them this long and didnt know that?and no amy lee does not need good luck..because with or without ben..you cant take away the fact that she has one of the best female voices EVER in my opinion..and to the ppl who say she cant sing..you all need to learn a few things..this girl was in Mixed Chorus,Select Ensemble,All-Region Choir,and Choir Coucil(PRESIDENT)..now you cant not be a good singer and be in all of those..which by the way my mother told me you cant get into select ensemble unless you are really good..and she would know since she was actually IN IT..so to all those who said she cant really sing as good as fallen makes it out to be....shove it up your gazingas...sorry if you dont know what that means..dont care if you do or dont..anyways im out..

Ben Moody from Evanescence is really crap. I hate him for leaving the band and I hate him for everything. I thought the wanker was actually a good guitarist. The other guy from the other band, Shaun Morgan, why does he have to get involved and put in his 2 cents worth.

All Amy Lee fans out there, keep cheering. Ben Moody is just a deserter. Bloody loser. In the first place if he knew he's not going to get along with Amy Lee, then don't even bloody start the band. What the? She can start her own solo act, mate!

Well I don't think I was talking about you Sarah but if you want to jump in front of stray bullets I can't stop you. The talk about fans who are "too" into being a fan was general and w/o direction. You gave it direction. I was simply defending my position as a fan.

lol god niolos you had to read through alot of shit just to find my reply...lol..anyways..as you were..i was just defending my position as a fan too..lol ben moody sucks..thats teh whole thing..he started the band with her because he thought that she was an awesome singer and they were connected musically...he didnt know that in the long run he was gonna have a falling out with amy..dont get me wrong im not sticking up for him..cause im mad at his ass too for just abandoning amy when he said to her "and to my best friend amy,you will always have "all of me" WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!..lying cocksucker..lol anyways..ev will always kick ass to me no matter what..thats all i got to say for the day so good bye

who the fuck cares both bands suck and in a few years no one will remember either of them
the whole genre of nu/alternative metal we try to act hardcore but our music is still played on pop stations blows

okay david..thats what you think..because apparently you dont know that despite not having any success before evanescence was a band before FALLEN came out..so in my opinion you have no idea what you are talking about..the songs are played on those stations because people play them on those stations..its not like they call a specific radio station and say "hey you are the only ones who can play our songs" because radio stations go and buy like every damn cd ever made and play what just happens to be POPULAR..just because the songs are popular does not make them a pop band at all..you gonna compare people in a band like evanescence who actually do write their own music and actually play instruments to what the likings of like NSYNC or something?who dont write their own music and dont play their own instruments who in actuality dont have any real music at all when its all digital crap..and evanescence never once claimed to be this hardcore nu metal band..all amy's ever said is that we are a rock band..and they are...so just like everyone else on this damn thing..you need to learn about what you are saying before actually saying it..and anyways..its only YOUR opinion..so who really cares what you think..if you dont like the damn band then dont..no one said you had to..but do remember that just because YOU dont doesnt mean MILLIONS of other ppl dont either..and by millions i mean those who bought fallen...so compare your 1 lil statement to all the 6 million ppl who bought the cd..and see who comes out on top..

ok if u guys are angry about the whole "sophomore" album thing, u guys should check on exodusevansecence.com it has a full record of all the albums they've made and all the albums that they have been on (ex: daredevil soundtrack)and btw sound asleep wasnt the first one, but im not going into that, you can check it. the site is under construction(sp?) right now, but it still has a lot of good info. its www.exodusevanescence.com ....sorry if there are a lot of spelling errors in this, its online so i dont think grammar is that important

I see many of the peeps here are very informed about the band. I hope one of you knows the original name before evanescence? E-mail me if you know thanks.
P.S. Sorry about no commas I fell asleep in english class.

Hey, who says that evanenescence sucks can go to hell. Bens out for good, hes not that good guitarrist, hes jealous, but...shaun morgan sucks, hes no right to write bout that, Ben and Amy should talk, agree in somethin, Ben screwed all his chances, dont blame Amy.
Amy is all that greatness of Evanescence next with John and Rocky,
so...Shaun, dont believe youre all that great thing, and suck my ass.

You're right Ben & Amy should talk and it is a shame that he left like that.But Ben did want to work on other things, two movie soundtracks and other artists. So whatever happen to cause the split maybe in time they be able to forgive. So lets wish both of them luck on their seperate paths. As for Shaun Morgan, that was really low pouring salt on a wound there was no need for that .You already have the prize ,Amy's heart!

the original name was "childish intentions" i think thats spelled right. i dont know. anyway, thats what it was

oh, that last comment was to Noe, I just realized it was way off topic

Mucho thanks... To get back on topic, ben and amy problems were happening for a while. in most pics and interviews they were so happy and joyful playing with each other,in recent ones they were more distant and quiet. One thing that I agree with the exodus web site is an article that said ben leaving was being told in the video because ben was distant from the rest of the band. For example in the first two music videos he played with the ban and the last he was playing alone. Its very interesting article. you should check it out.

Agreeing with Jack.

However-"Ben wouldnt last a day without Amy".
1.) He wrote most of the songs, did backround music, and drums in the ep and demos. Amy just sang the songs. He wrote all the melodys.
2.)He wouldn't last a day? He is currently working with a number of artists, and has his own film(a film due april 2005) and record company. He is also working on several movie soundtracks. I think he is lasting just fine, thank you.

And Cassie, BenMoody.com is getting a messageboard. I'm the official post whore though, tough luck chicka ;). MOE forever, no?

Also, incase you all didn't notice, the Ben outfit was a take of on Shaun Morgan. So take that you faggity ass ape.

okay JOSH..i never claimed that Sound Asleep was their first one i was just informing you of the fact that even if the EP's and their own CD-Rs dont count ORIGIN did so either way that would make this upcoming album their JUNIOR album and FALLEN would then be their SOPHOMORE album..so wherever you got you info on the sophomore album flopping..well..i think the record sales speak other wise there..cause i dont care what you say..this upcoming album is most definetly NOT their sophomore album..cause fine say sound asleep and evanescence dont count..either way...no matter what even if it had the least amount of record sales at all..it was still an album..that being ORIGIN...thank you..and to all of you about the ben and amy thing..if you really want to understand it all..go to mtv.com right now..it has the whole story..i just read it the other day..and yes they had not been getting along for quite sometime..and it was either him or amy that was gonna leave he decided it would be him..but the way he left..was wrong..he shouldnt have stranded them right in the middle of a tour..that was wrong..no matter what hes doing now..and the grammy's outfit? that wasnt to say whatever to shaun or amy that was in his own way to tell them that hes okay..i read this so i know what im talking about..so for all of you who dont know what happened or why..really go to mtv.com and read it..it explains everything..i still think that whatever happened he shouldnt have gaven up on an 8 year friendship just because he decided they were different ppl..ppl are supposed to be different ben..if we were all the same there would be no point to life..no that there is much of one right now anyways..but yeah...anyways im done

First of all I would like to say that Ben leaving is extremly sad. I just bought Fallen and I think it is one of the best albums of the last 15 years. There is so much meaning and feeling in all of it. The vocals have so much feeling coming through. The guitar is tastful and he has good tone. But the important thing is the recipe of Ben and Amy. Ben is not replaceable just like Amy is not replaceable. History has proven that everytime a band breaks up it is never the same. You do not have to be a great guitarist or vocalist. It is the feeling that you put into it. That comes out in the creativity. The souls of the people who make the music is imprinted into it. It is really sad that all this had to happen so soon in their careers. They will someday be together again it is inevitable. I know I have been there and done that. The sad thing will be missing out on what they would have done. You can never go back in time and do what you would have done and it is lost forever. Their breakup has something to with love. What level of love we don't know but to have been together at such a young age and acomplished so much in a such a short time and to now be apart must be tramatizing on both sides.

What really is the biggest bunch of bullshit on this site are these people who say either one of them is expendable. A band is a relationship. People should not be thrown away just because there is someone else out there who is better. If there is all these great guitar players out there why wasn't this album made 5 years ago.

To all those that say either one is expendable. I say when your mother gets cancer just put a bullet in her head because there are better mothers out there. RIGHT???????

got some points there nick...but i dont think that just because ben is gone that the next record is gonna suck...i dont think terry is gonna be near what ben was..he might be a better guitarist..but the whole thing is..he didnt help build that band..it was amy and ben and david...and i do hope that one day in the future ben will see the error of his ways and return to at least just remaining friends with amy...i mean you dont just give up on an 8 year friendship because youve realized you are both different ppl...thats how the world is ben...no one is made to be the same...so obviously something else happened that neither of them are telling to the press..but thats my opinion..cause it seems rather stupid to ruin a friendship over such petty shit as being different...anyways..good luck to ben..hes still respected by me..cept for the whole avril thing..talentless twerp that she is...can only play three chords on a guitar..thatll get you really far...lol...anyways i still like ben..and dont think either of them are expendable..but i dont think that terry is a bad addition...anyways..im out..

Gotta ask... since when the crap did Ben Moody suddenly become a "Guitarist"?

He's a string-basher who couldn't play a real chord to save his life!

I think it's a shame that Ben left. He may not be the best guitar player, but he was the lyrical source for the band. It'll be interesting to see what they do now.

And to the walking cum dumpster that said "both bands suck"...when your band is topping either Evanescence or Seether in sales, exposure or airplay...then you can run your suck. Until then, Mighty Mouth, go back to your job at Burger King, buy another Jay Z album, and quit your whining.

Morgan sucks, Amy deserves better...

okay..why is it that ppl think that ben is like the worst guitar player on the face of the earth...he isnt...he does a damn good job on alot of their older stuff..anyways..fang you are hilarious...i love the "go back to your job at burger king, buy another jay z album, and quit your whining" that was great...anyways..so what if ben isnt like the next jimmy hendrix..hes good enough to have sold millions upon millions of albums..so id shut up if i were you..just jealous cause the guy has money? or what? hes not THAT bad...anyways bye..

You're right josh their first was "not for your ears". For those who are looking for childish intentions there is no longer any trace of that name under evanescence unless by w.o.m. there is one w/s but they are bahing evanescence.
Just thought ya'll would like to know.
METAL

calm down sarah...damn....i say one damn thing and u freak out. two words raging hormones.

btw, i never said there "sophomore" album flopped(sp?), so i dont know where u got that. dont go off on me for something u found soemwhere else

no you didnt say their sophomore album flopped you said that "the sophomore album usually flops" and i was clarifying that the next album is not their sophomore attempt..thats all..so you must have got confused somewhere along the way..lol and i can freak if i want...it isnt my raging hormones..thats such a typical male remark..honestly..dont you guys ever come up with anything more original than that? sheesh

Are you people EVER going to let this die? For heaven's sake it happened FIVE months ago.

okay i said nothing about ben moody in my last reply..i was continuing my convo with josh...thank you.

OMFG shaun is really mean. that stupid fucking bastard. its not like evanescnece fans think ben is the greates guy on earth i personally think hes a good guitarist but i dont like worship him. I think shaun needs to grow up. Has amy read this? anyways we all have mistakes no one is perfect that goes for ben too shaun needs to realize ppl make mistakes, and i highly doubt ben goes around fucking hoes. Whatever os between amy and ben should stay between them. I say we leave their relationship alone and let them deal with their own lives.

Ben Moody from Evanescence is really crap. I hate him for leaving the band and I hate him for everything. I thought the wanker was actually a good guitarist. The other guy from the other band, Shaun Morgan, why does he have to get involved and put in his 2 cents worth.

All Amy Lee fans out there, keep cheering. Ben Moody is just a deserter. Bloody loser. In the first place if he knew he's not going to get along with Amy Lee, then don't even bloody start the band. What the? She can start her own solo act, mate!


umm 'been moody sucks' ben obviously got a long with amy since they were engaged for a while and personally i think he left thanks to that jack ass morgan honestly morgan go fuck ur mom not one cares wut u think abt ben in fact no one cares abt u. amy can do much better than a guy who looks like he has 12 foot dick shoved up his ass. BUt whatever floats amys boat (but i still cant see how shaun can float her boat)

Look: I agree with most of you on the whole 'Bring Me to Life' thing. I also hate how they ruined the song with Paul McCoy's vocals--that's why I like the Bliss Mix of the song which has no male vocals. The original version of the song (which is on their 'Not For Your Ears' demo) is much different. It also doesn't have male vocals, and it is slightly different in lyrics, and MUCH different in the general mood of it. People who have only heard that one song by Evanescence say they are just posers (BY THE WAY: EVA CAME AFTER EVANESCENCE, SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE!) and are like 'help me, save me, I'm worthless' because the band didn't exactly make the greatest video. Sure, the general message of the song is finding that special someone who 'wakes you up inside' (Amy Lee herself said that) but the video is basically finding someone you can depend on. A bit different.
Also, I wish that the band had used the original version of My Immortal for the video. The band version sucks.

A last word (for this post): I love all of Evanescence's songs, and I just wanted to say that you can't judge a song on just one CD's version. There are different versions of the same song on nearly all of their releases (and unreleased tracks). For example: I have four versions of Imaginary, four of Bring Me to Life, at least three of Understanding (their 2nd song ever) and about five of Whisper. So if you try to trash a song, listen to another version of it.
I don't have any more to say right now.

Okay people I'm sick of this shit. This site provides CORRECT information whether you assholes say it is or not. They may not have everything, but it has enough to dissolve these stupid fights over what album/EP came first.
http://mclub.te.net.ua/vcat.phtml?action=va&singer=1225

P.S. what's with all this crap about junior and sophomore albums? If senior is the fourth, what if they miraculously come out with a fifth? I only said 'miraculously' in case they don't last that long.

sheesh ACB..someone has a bad attitude..i dont care if my information was correct..i was just plainly telling that person that the upcoming album would not be considered as their SECOND one..because if the EPS and whatever else dont count than i do know that at least origin does..so that would make the next one at least the THIRD album..i was just trying to explain that..that is all..i wasnt trying to get technical..and i have never said anything about not liking a version of a song..you give me an evanescence song to hear..whether its a diff version of a song or whatever..ill listen to it and like it..because i love evanescence..and for you to sit there and say you love all their songs and blah blah and then to add that little "miraculously" bit..well that was rather contradictory..dont you think? i mean really..shit.

oh, just thought i would let u know, im not a guy, i put josh as my name cause for some reason no one would reply when i said something with my real name(which is a girl name cause im a girl, duh)u really shouldnt be so stereo-typical of guys. in my entire life(15 years) the only people ive heard say "raging hormones" are girls, about guys. so yeah anyway....i just thought i would let u guys know so u dont make the mistake and assume everyone is what they say they are, come on this is the internet, people lie all the time

For about half way through the comments people just correct the first guy to leave a comment...but the fact of the matter is, its about what Shaun Morgan has said to Evanescence fans. It is ridiculous that he makes a mockery of Moody. For all of us, Evanescence fans, we just know Moody as a guitar player... so frankly we don't give a flying fuck what he did off stage. If he left the band for such a reason, then it is his loss, but it isn't right for Morgan to mention that. Ben Moody was a great guitar player to me because he made up 1/3 of my favorite band, and he is a guitar player that im sure will not be the easiest to replace. Now it looks to me as if Morgan is the one who should eat some cookies and grow up, and this is coming from a 14 year old...pathetic.

Just because I made two comments in one fkin' box doesn't mean it was all directed at you. Hell, none of it was directed at you. Don't be such an attention seeker. I really think you only post on here to see yourself 'talking'.

Shaun is actually an Afrikaans speaking South African. In other words, English is not his home/first language. I think he is doing wonderfully as his band have broken through the stereotypical "loser" SA band and infiltrated the American market. He is also dating one of the biggest stars in new music. As far as grammar goes, we actually do use, own, and consult those useful books full of strange and intersting words...dictionaries!

well I think that Shaun and Amy will break up, and ben will come back...
Seether definetily sucks, I mean REALLY SUCKS.... first, their songs suck, Shaun sucks, his voice sucks (is such a common voice)[sorry if my english is no good]... well seether suck

I just want to say that Shaun Morgan of "Seether" should not even attempt to talk about Ben Moody.. I mean he's in the band SEETHER, hahaha..Ok I'm done laughing. Shaun wouldn't give a fuck about the goings on of Evanesence if he wasn't banging Amy Lee. When he's finished with her, he'll go back to not caring. He needs to concentrate on his mediocre band and it's success like having a song on the Punisher soundtrack (No offense to the Punisher.) Amy Lee is a strong girl and she can fight her battles by herself, his immature comments reminded me of some lame high school rivalry. Ben Moody and Amy Lee built Evanesence together and I think it's unfair that he won't be around to see the band through until the end. Without Ben, I believe the end of Evanesence will come sooner than later -- especially if Shaun keeps opening his mouth.

uhm acb..if you pay attention at all you would see that i never said any of what you said was directed at me..i was just telling you that you said one thing about loving all their songs and then turn around and say that "miraculously" thing..that didnt make much sense to me..if you are fan you are supposed to have faith in them..not go around saying things like if somehow they "miraculously" make it without mr moody..anyways whatever..dont go around putting words in ppls mouths and im not an attention seeker either..if you knew me at all you would know that i am the exact opposite of that...and to josh...whatever..that doesnt make alot of sense either to use a males name..and being a girl too i have heard way more males make cracks about females than females make cracks at males..but whatever...you guys have no faith in this band you are supposedly fans of..whatever make just a lil more sense..

Then why do you just HAVE to say something every time anyone says anything? And don't get me started on that shit about not being a fan. You don't even know what a fucking fan is. It sounds to me that half of the people on here are either obsessed with the band or just want ten minutes with Amy...which is disgusting.
And when you compulsively reply to this message, just keep in mind that NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU SAY!

"Ben Moody from Evanescence is really crap. I hate him for leaving the band and I hate him for everything. I thought the wanker was actually a good guitarist."
I'm sure he'd be really hurt to know your sorry ass hates him and thinks he's crap...

"All Amy Lee fans out there, keep cheering. Ben Moody is just a deserter. Bloody loser. In the first place if he knew he's not going to get along with Amy Lee, then don't even bloody start the band. What the? She can start her own solo act, mate!"
Yeeeeah...I'm sure he knew this shit would happen when he was FOURTEEN. You know absolutely NOTHING about the situation so why don't you keep your mouth shut. Ben is not a deserter...he is an amazingly nice, kind-hearted person. He did what he had to do. End. of. story.

whatever acb..i say things because that is my right as an american..freedom of press..thank you..if you dont like what i have to say then dont read it..duh..and then dont reply to it..and if you really didnt give a shit about what i say then you wouldnt have responded in such an angry manner..and i will say whatever i want to say about the fan thing..true fans have faith..i have faith in them..im not obsessed..they arent even my favorite band..i just happen to love them...if theres anything wrong with that then well..theres lots of people who need help then..but whatever mr something crawled up your ass and died..im done arguing with you so if you write back i will not respond..have a nice life not having faith in a band you are suppposed to like..

How dare he. that morgan dude is bang out of order. Ben Moddy is the most amazing person in the world of rock. What the mogan dude said is sickening

- Boys and girls... Instead of bitching wheather or not a word is spelled in the right way, and yea I am aware my spelling sucks, u should turn your focus on the fact that Shaun Morgan admits that he might be the reason Ben Moody left!
- Allthough I know admitting ones weak sides is a sign on strenght and character, I don´t understand why Ben Moody should be blamed for that! From my point of view Shaun Morgan is changing the focus from himself to Ben Moody, and instead of admitting he made a mistake, he made the lead songwriter leave the band, BRILLIANT MOVE Shaun Morgan!!!
- I wounder if Shaun Morgan will be writing the songs from now on, it will be interresting to see if he can write better songs!!!!!
- Is Ben Moody a quitter, I have no idea, I have not recieved all the facts, all I have is the statements from one man, a man who apparently hate Ben Moody, I cannot determine if who is right in this issue, but I guess Ben Moody would not have left unless he had a DAMN good reasons to do so!!!!
- This just proves that separating personal life from musicbandlife is DAMN hard, and if u can do so, u are very very skilled!!!!

"Boys and girls... Instead of bitching wheather or not a word is spelled in the right way, and yea I am aware my spelling sucks, u should turn your focus on the fact that Shaun Morgan admits that he might be the reason Ben Moody left! "

Look, Korgano. First, your spelling sucks. There is no such word as "wheather." Second, how much harder is it to type out "you" than "u"? Third, you need to realize that your ability (or inability) to spell is much more important than the personal lives of pop stars. Go read. Read "Catcher in the Rye." Read something --- like a book, not People Magazine. That's how you learn to spell. You will also learn about things that will help think independently and critically. Evanescence is not important. Just some friendly advice. Oh yeah... AND TURN OFF THAT TV!