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<title>Comment by Veronica</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-184214</link>
<description>Niki Harris Debbie Gibson Donna Delory
Live Debbie Gibson Greatest Hits </description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:17:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ciera</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-130233</link>
<description>hey britney when is ur next consert i want to go e-mail mebk</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:46:49 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by James</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-104464</link>
<description>Its not about pregnancy
It might seem like it is
But papa dont preach is about madonnas love for a guy her friends dont like
papa is another better sounding word for friends
she is telling the media also and all her offenders that she is keeping her baby
Madonna and The papa dont preach guy Sean Penn got married, but it didnt last. Papa dont preach, ahh what a lovley song.
If it was about pregnancy itd be better still I love that song
Im 13....   :)
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<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:52:57 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by HW Saxton Jr.</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-41042</link>
<description>Foist things foist: You don&#039;t have to be
a &quot;hater&quot; to think that either of these women are talentless. They&#039;re not really
talentless,just mediocre and bland,hence
their widespread appeal. If Sex Does Not
Sell: Would either of them be where they
are today without the looks &amp; sex appeal
thing in their corner??? I do seriously
doubt it. No matter how good the voice is,if they looked like Rosie O&#039;Donnell 
do you think they would be where they are now? No,of course not. To deny that
sex sells is ludicrous.Madonna well knew
this and capitalized on it unabashedly.
Ditto for Britto.What&#039;s more they are open about it,especially M.</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:33:27 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Paul</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-41023</link>
<description>First of all, to all the critics/haters who say Britney and Madonna are talentless....LMFAO. How has Madonna lasted so long, been so successful? Britney, obviously is doing extremely well herself, after 3lp&#039;s, selling over 50 million albums, umm did mariah do that&gt;whitney&gt;celine? NOPE, look it up if ya like. I just think it&#039;s pathetic and sad how people try to say it&#039;s sex or image that sells cd&#039;s. Ohh yea, when i&#039;m puttin in my &quot;in the zone&quot; cd i&#039;m thinkin about how britney looks in a bikini...umm no. The girl is gorgeous, no doubt, but that isnt what has made her who she is, same goes for madonna, who obviously has 2 have had great music too last all these years. Stop hating, move on with life...take up a hobbie...water polo perhaps? lol.</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:59:03 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by TDavid</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29975</link>
<description>RE #76: Stevie Nicks had one successful solo album, yes/no? Taloran? I remember the one with &quot;Stop Draggin&#039; My Heart Around&quot; but I don&#039;t know of many others she did solo, away from Fleetwood Mac, so I don&#039;t know if she can be compared to Madonna.

Madonna didn&#039;t start in a band and then break away, she started solo.

Someone correct me if I&#039;m wrong?

So on this basis I don&#039;t think Stevie Nicks is a good comparison.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:50:37 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Eric Olsen</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29828</link>
<description>Tal, there are striking parallels, but Stevie hasn&#039;t ever really led the charge herself: she was part of a duo, then part of a group, then went solo with a lot of help, then was part of a group again. She has had little cultural impact, but she has also had some great songs and has endured. But she&#039;s no Madonna - there isn&#039;t really ANYONE close.</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:11:37 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sandra Smallson</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29797</link>
<description>The post as a whole makes sense. I never said I agree or disagree with the comparison with Stevie Nicks. The post read in context makes some sense is what I meant by MY post in response to yours. Being the &quot;die hard, deranged, obsessed&quot; Madonna fan that you all call me, I do not think she is comparable to anyone and thats not because I think she is greater than everyone else, its simply because I think she is incomparable. I think you have got no response because everybody has said thier piece and nothing more need be said.</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 04:40:07 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Taloran</title>
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<description>Does anyone other than Sandra have anything to say about my statement that Stevie Nicks would make an equitable comparison to Madonna (comment 56)?</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:17:15 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by duane</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29382</link>
<description>No offense, Sandra. I was just teasing. It&#039;s all in good fun. And just to prove that I&#039;m not an ignoramus, I&#039;m going to share a little theory that I&#039;ve been entertaining. I&#039;m starting to think that Madonna herself is using the pseudonym &quot;Sandra Smallson.&quot; Who else could so vehemently defend her? Is that you, Madonna? Come on, you can tell us.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:23:01 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Tom Johnson</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29378</link>
<description>Sandra, I invite you to please re-read what I wrote.  I&#039;ll include it here for you (please feel free to scroll up and verify that it is identical):

&lt;i&gt;Sorry, but any point you were attempting to make has been negated by this incredibly stupid remark.&lt;/i&gt;

Where did I call you &quot;incredibly stupid&quot;?  I called your &lt;i&gt;remark&lt;/i&gt; incredibly stupid.  Not you.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:06:03 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by BRICKLAYER</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29377</link>
<description>I have absolutely NOTHING worthwile to add to this conversation. Heck, I didn&#039;t even really read many of the posts.   I just love the title of the post: Britney and Madonna.  Mmmmmmm, yummy. Oh, and one other thing, Mrs. Bricklayer is a fan of the early Madonna-she doesn&#039;t wanna hear any of that bloop blip, blop, while I enjoy her entire body of work. Especially the Pepsi commercial.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:46:26 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sandra Smallson</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29376</link>
<description>Eric, I did not see you defending Madonna when she was personally attacked simply bcos we are discussing her work. More importantly at the genesis of this thread, the first person who started the personal attacks was Tom. I posted and he called me incredibly stupid cause I disagreed about the Beatles. Where were you then? Oh! It was okay because you agreed with him about the Beatles? By the way, on a reading of all posts you will find that it has been give and take. Dont throw stones if you can&#039;t stand it being thrown back at you, thats the moral lesson for the day. Geez! If I can agree to disagree about the message your article conveyed I can do it on all issues but as is apparent from any reading of all the posts here, nobody was willing to leave it at that and we all carried on. So, for you all to whinge now about name calling is pathetic. Grow a spine. Everybody here did some name calling/personal attacks except Eric maybe..but ERIC did not stop anyone then..why then stop me because we dont have the same opinion? Goes to show, does it not?!:)</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:37:27 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by JR</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29375</link>
<description>Yeah, it&#039;s pretty hard to compose chord progressions with just your voice.
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:07:45 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Eric Olsen</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29371</link>
<description>I have a picture of Aretha seated at the piano - most singers play SOME instrument besides their voice.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:42:08 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Natalie Davis</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29355</link>
<description>Um, Sandra, Aretha Franklin is a hellacious pianist. And she is well known for it.

I really wish people could disagree without the namecalling.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:36:01 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Eric Olsen</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29353</link>
<description>Sandra, it&#039;s fine to defend Madonna all you want, but you don&#039;t do yourself or Madonna any favors by peronally attacking those who simply don&#039;t agree with you. It is not your job to convert the world, especially by means of insult. While I undoubtedly have many less than admirable qualites, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Madonna, who is the subject at hand. Just because people don&#039;t agree with you doesn&#039;t mean they are either 1) stupid, or 2) evil.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:28:12 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Craig Lyndall</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29346</link>
<description>What do you know about my morals?  Maybe I could teach you a lot about morals.  You don&#039;t know me.  The only thing you know about me is that we don&#039;t agree on Madonna.  I am fine with disagreeing on that, but the rest is garbage.  You are grasping at straws to take a personal shot at me.  That&#039;s about the last gasp for a person desperate for air.  I am done.  Go ahead and take the last word.  (I know you will.)

It might be too late, but I will do my best to take &quot;The Long and Winding (high) Road.&quot;

Peace.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:08:05 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sandra Smallson</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29344</link>
<description>Comment 46 posted by Taloran on November 19, 2003 07:09 PM: 

There is no doubt in my mind that Madonna ranks well above Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, Leo Sayer, Cinderella, Cyndi Lauper, Britney and most other acts in the annals of pop history. The longevity of her career is astounding. To remain as popular as she has for two-plus decades indicates that she possesses an exceptional gift.

But to compare Papa Don&#039;t Preach to The Long and Winding Road, or Like A Virgin to Let It Be is the absolute height of absurdity. Calling the lyrics of the Beatles &quot;nursery rhymes&quot; while extolling the poetic virtuosity of Madonna is similar to denigrating the work of Einstein while pointing out the wonders of a sharpened stick.


..Now, you are the one who is schizophrenic. This is the post I was responding to before your last post. How did u just join the conversation? Did you not post the above? Or was that before you popped your pill as I suspected? 

Deranged, obsessed? Ha! You must be kidding! You are the complete idiot if my defending and putting my views about Madonna across is seen as deranged and obsessed to you. If anything, I like her, so I should know this much. Its you imbeciles that don&#039;t seem to care for her much and write down that hatred with such passion but still no sense, that one should be worried about.
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:06:40 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sandra Smallson</title>
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<description>I am a superfan and quite capable of being reasoned with and nobody is a god to me except God himself. Nobody is on a pedestal except my mother but I admire Madonna and unlike Eric I have no interest in passing judgment on who or what is worthy of emulation considering I am not without my faults too. I am sure there are many things irritating and false about you Eric. This is no reason for people not to admire your admirable qualities if you have any. I guess we are just different types of people. I am not self righteous. I do not think if somebody does something I might not necessarily do myself, that totally means they are beyond redemption in my eyes.

Craig, you think I give her too much credit, I think you give her too little credit. Neither of us will convince each other. I think you are the last person to be giving me any moral lessons as to who and what to respect. Remove the log in your eyes before you try to take out the speck in mine.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:00:53 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Taloran</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29342</link>
<description>&quot;Taloran, your last post actually makes far more sense. Perhaps you have finally taken your medication and are with your senses.&quot;
Why the attack on me? I&#039;ve just joined the conversation! Not that I give a shit, since you&#039;re obviously a deranged, obsessed Madonna fan in the same way as the fan who shot Selena. But aren&#039;t you skewing things a bit here?

What a fucking whack job.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:59:12 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Eric Olsen</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29337</link>
<description>you are right Craig - though I like Madonna very much musically and admire what she has accomplished, I find much about her irritating, false, and certainly not worthy of emulation</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:52:40 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Craig Lyndall</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29333</link>
<description>Filibustering and rambling on and on doesn&#039;t make you right.  If you read properly, I have (on multiple occasions) given Madonna credit.  You on the other hand have given her too much credit.  You are a superfan and beyond reason.  

I don&#039;t even remember what we are arguing about anymore.  I think Madonna deserves respect, but with people like you fawning all over her, I don&#039;t think we have anything to worry about there.  Just be careful who you respect and what you respect them for.  You might be putting someone on too great a pedestal.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:48:27 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sandra Smallson</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/11/18/134106.php#comment-29321</link>
<description>Hard days night? or work? Anyway, its a song that starts with hard days and one that clearly is no poetic masterpiece.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:18:16 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sandra Smallson</title>
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<description>Finally, Craig, you talk about the Neptunes. Eminem talks fast(or raps) over tunes layered on by Dr Dre most times. Do you see anybody taking away any credit from Eminem because of the &quot;edgy&quot; producer/s he works with? NO! Heaven forbid Madonna writes down some lyrics and Dr Dre produces the song. If its a hit, all we will hear is that its because she knows what is hot and works with hot producers. You and I and everybody on here know thats exactly what would happen so no matter what any of you have said on here, I know that a majority of objective thinking individuals, even those with the intellect God gave a monkey, who have no pre-conceived notions or ideas about Madonna because of her public image, would agree with me a 100%. Thats all I am saying. I am not comparing her to anybody. Musical taste is a subjective thing..you may think the Beatles are the dogs bollocks, I would take even the not so popular band K&#039;s choice over the Beatles anyday. Totally diffferent type of music but then maybe that in itself says something.
 
Taloran, your last post actually makes far more sense. Perhaps you have finally taken your medication and are with your senses. It allows for subjectivity and makes sense basically. At the end of the day 99% of all Artists will work with others on thier work, and many of those others might be more talented. My point falls back to the fact that because of Madonna&#039;s public brazen &quot;bitch&quot; like image, ignoramuses focus completely on those surrounding her rather than on what she may have done to make this a good song or whatever. The same thing could be happening with an Artist right next door but they would give the credit to that Artist most likely because she or he is not seen as a larger than life figure that Madonna is seen as. I think if the point is not understood after this, then I will start summary and comprehension lessons at midnight London time. 

 I have far too much time on my hands:)
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:07:18 EST</pubDate>
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