Blogcritics Comments on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Comment by mike on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:33:30 EDT

The best thing is to print out the post and read it; reading on the computer screen is unnatural and different from how the brain reads; this is partly why e-mails, etc. are so sloppy. ]]>

Comment by Eric Olsen on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:24:59 EDT

Everyone makes mistakes, including me, I think the key is to read it over once it's up on the site. I almost always catch things I missed earlier when it's up there in stark black and white. ]]>

Comment by Mark Saleski on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:14:34 EDT

the proofreading thing can be pretty danged annoying. i write stuff out by hand, editing as i go. then it gets typed in, previewed on the screen for anything i might have missed. then i print it out for one last read-through... ...and still stuff gets missed. the problem is that after you've read the thing 3 or 4 times you ten to be reciting it from your head instead of the paper. ]]>

Comment by mike on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:48:22 EDT

The coding errors, a la the infamous A, haven't been showing up in the preview before posting. Is it my version of Word (pretty old)? ]]>

Comment by Tom Johnson on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:07:12 EDT

(this sounds kinda "outta left field" but if you use Word and Dreamweaver MX, you might want to pay attention) Does anyone who uses Word to type their posts up then HTMLize it from Word? I ask because I deal with this everyday in my "real" job and have developed some unique methods of utilizing Macromedia Dreamweaver MX's Find And Replace feature that I could send to anyone who needs it. This cleans all the BS Office code out that just clutters up things and adds lots of weight to files. Pretty neat stuff - if anyone wants it, email me and the snippets are yours. ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:49:13 EDT

I'm glad that I raised the point, Temple. And it pleases me that some other people seem to care as well. Yeah, I have Notepad, and I use an HTML editor for a living... maybe that's why I like to compose in Word - I don't really want to look at any HTML that I don't have to. But I guess I'll have to start with my next post, whenever that might be. ]]>

Comment by Temple A. Stark on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:43:59 EDT

Or don't use Word. Don't you have notepad or something (or Simpletext if you're lucky enough to own a Mac :) )? Or an HTML editor where you can type? It's not just smart quotes that Word crunches. I actually am quite stirred when someone cares about this type of thing. So, thanks. ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:04:09 EDT

Hmmm... I'll try that with my next post, Eric. However, I tend to comment a lot more than I post, so it may be a while. ]]>

Comment by Eric Olsen on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:57:28 EDT

Tal, perhaps I haven't made this suggestion in a while: you can disable "smart quotes" in Word and then they will plague you no more. This is information that longs to be free, dance on the wind, I say! ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:53:12 EDT

If that's possible... ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:52:22 EDT

Eric - It makes it a bit difficult when you compose a post in Word, and save it in draft form with no glaring errors, then publish it and it's chock full of those A-thingies. I had to spend quite some time on this post immediately after publishing to cut out the A characters, or risk appearing more buffoonlike than usual. ]]>

Comment by Eric Olsen on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:13 EDT

And - he hastens to add - the overall level of writing here is quite excellent. Perhaps I have come to take that for granted. ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:32:39 EDT

To clarify, most of the folks who remain on the leader board more than briefly actually do understand the language in which they write. My rant is more about the occasional poster. ]]>

Comment by Eric Olsen on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:30:35 EDT

I would also differentiate between posts and comments - comments are certainly more informal. What I really ask of writers is that they SIMPLY READ OVER THEIR OWN WORK ONCE IT IS PUBLISHED. I get the sense that some people don't read their own work once it is up because there is no way they would miss obvious coding errors (those damned "A's"), crazy spacing problems, complete lack of paragraphing, obvious spelling and punctuation errors. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:27:40 EDT

As I said in my post, Tom, "I'm not talking about the occasional fumblefinger." What I meant to discuss is the complete lack of proper punctuation and syntax and the total disregard for correct spelling practiced by a significant portion of the members of the BlogCritics kummyoonitee. We all (well, perhaps not all, but a large portion of us) write some things hastily on BlogCritics, and would not have turned some of our posts and comments in to our high school or college English teachers for grading. But I wonder if some of the BC participants have ever turned anything in to an English teacher. And if they have, why did those teachers not get those people some extra help? ]]>

Comment by Tom Johnson on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:05:43 EDT

I can deal with spelling issues. I'd rather someone get whatever is in their head out - if that means a few spelling errors here and there, so be it. Self-editing is prett difficult - you brain is just sure what you wrote is perfect, so you rarely catch all the errors. So I can accept spelling errors, as long as what the person had to say was intelligent and thoughtful. What I really, really want is for people to punctuate with some semblance of intelligence. I understand that commas screw many people up, me included at times. But I've seen a number of posts on BC where the writers apparently didn't understand how to use periods and so just didn't use them at all. That makes for fun reading. Had I seen that kind of writing the first time I found BC, I'd think the site was full of a bunch of damned morons. Thankfully, I didn't, and it's not. ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:51:05 EDT

One group that certainly resents my belief in standards is the public school system in my community. The elementary schools have gone to a system of number grades instead of letter grades. Children in classes at their grade level can only get a 3, while children who get bumped up to a higher level in a particular subject can obtain a 4. 4 corresponds roughly to an A, while 3 corresponds to a B. The reasoning behind it is that children who can only obtain a B or lower feel bad when their peers get A's, so they've cut out the A. I went down and ripped on the school administration about this - my wife insists on straight A's for both of our kids, and I feel they're getting gypped by not being able to obtain that mark in classes in which they're not "flexed up." As you might discern, I'm extremely popular with the school administration. They just love it when I stop by for a little chat. ]]>

Comment by Chris Arabia on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:01:48 EDT

Tal - I was kidding. I agree completely with what you wrote, but some people might resent your belief in standards... ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:51:26 EDT

And Chris - which particular part of my post indicates that I am either a fascist or communist? I've looked through it, and see nothing therein that indicates a political leaning. ]]>

Comment by Taloran on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:48:53 EDT

Chris, I'd say your comments are a bit extreme, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion. Mike, I really don't know what to say about your post, except that perhaps you might benefit from nite skule. ]]>

Comment by Eric Olsen on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:36:03 EDT

Tal, very important points well presented. I am a little more flexible perhaps in that liberties can be interesting and amusing. But, the time is never right for poor spelling, and as you mention, it gives the reader an excuse to tune you out. As some of you know, I do edit for spelling and basic punctuation, not because I want to, but because it must be done. I encourage us all to write freely and expressively and don't be afraid to take liberties, but, as I believe Mac Diva said, you have to know the rules in order to break them in a creative manner. Be yourselves, have fun, but edit well for the benefit of your readers and your own ideas. ]]>

Comment by Temple A. Stark on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:33:26 EDT

You seem a bit of a grammar elitist. There are worse things. However, I point out spelling and grammar errors al the time and I have to agree with your overall point. ]]>

Comment by Chris Arabia on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:25:22 EDT

Taloran: I condemn your Illiteraphobia and Believabilitism. You're either a right-wing fascist who watches Fox News or a left-wing communist who watches CNN. ]]>

Comment by mike on Grammar, Typography and Believability

Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:44:48 EDT

i resent thise, i write real good and my speling is grate and i dont like the insinuazons that i'm sort of an ignorynosorous. The new Metallica is great, anyone who doesn't like it is gay, sid vicious was the gretest guitarist excpet for hendricks. ]]>