I loved "Full Collapse," sorry to hear this one isn't up to it. Thanks Craig.

I am sorry to say Your review Sucks! Full collapse wasn't even their first album. And maybe you need to listen to War all the time a little more because the lyrics are incredible and Geoff did an amazing job. They are only getting better as a band. And you act as if tom, tim, tucker,and steve are hindering him. Geoff is not the band you know.You need to reword things a bit.

Waiting was their first album, but it wasn't even heavily distributed until Full Collapse came out. You should re-read the review, I said it was a solid album that just didn't quite live up to Full Collapse or Jet Black New Year.

Maybe you are blinded by your infatuation.

I completely disagree.
This album took a complete turn and Thursday were trying for a new sound.
They were also afraid no one would like it. But I think it's amazing

I agree that this album doesn't reach the heights of their past work, however I believe you failed to understand the lyrics. There is nothing political about this album. It is actually about the darker sides of personal relationships. The references to war are actually a metaphor for love.

I didn't fail to understand anything. I realize that not all the songs are political, but I have been to their show before and had them preaching to me as they introduced songs, etc. If you think there is NOTHING political going on with this album you are a bit naive.

All in all, this is a love album that will be confused for a political attack by many naive and infatutated reviewers. They have the right to opinion. However, The political commentary is offered, not preached, and passionate political beliefs are so buried in personal reference, I don't think anyone will ever figure out whats really being said.

Fair enough. I like my albums like that, but I didn't think Thursday were really a band that avoided political statements. I feel like I noticed more than a few references, but I guess it could all be a much larger metaphor.

You will excuse me if I thought "This Song Brought to You by a Falling Bomb" had any sort of political statement in it as it was written by a band from New Jersey and opens with the line, "do you hear the jet plane yawning miles across the sky?" And M. Shepard was referencing one of the martyrs for the persecution of gays in this country.

Again, I think it is a good album, just not quite as cohesive as Full Collapse. Was my review that far off base?

I didn't like this album at first because I was looking for another Full Collapse. It's not that this album isn't as cohesive has, or isn't as anything as Full Collapse.

This album just isn't Full Collapse. It's a different sound, and needs to be listened to in a different way. I still really like Full Collapse, but every time I listen to War All The Time it grows on me more and more.

You know, like a fungus, or a yeast infection. Only Punk-flavoured.

i think you missed the point of the album craig...war all the time is a masterpiece and on a different level than any of their previous recordings, which are all great and respectable by themselves. each song is intriguing and has a different feel to it while still maintaining that melodic thursday edge. as for a rating of this album...i would give War All The
Time a solid 5 out of 5 for the bands first major label release for the simple fact that they did not sacrifice any aspects of their sound for it. so...everyone, enjoy the album!

oh...one other thing craig---no flow?...i think you need to take a few more listens to this album...

in response to the political/personal argument I have read several interviews where they responded to the question by answering that the lyrics were an emotional response to political events...but were intended to be free to interpretation by the listener...

peace

Just for the record, I don't think your review is off base. Thursday is ok, but is blown up beyond their talent by their fans - but I guess that's what fans are supposed to do. If they lyrics are so very subjective then Geoff shouldn't be dismayed when we 'naive' reviewers take them as seems most fitting... or include the real meaning in the press sheet.

Good job Craig.

Thursday keeps getting better and better. War All The Time should be the #1 CD in the world. Who would not like them must be crazy!!!!!!

Geoff your the best singer i have ever herd. The song brought to you from a falling bomb was just a plus in your greatest album War All The Time. Though Full Collapse was the great albem i ever herd you toped it off again. The frist time i saw this band was at worped tour and i was in amazed my mouth just droped. I cant wait what eles this band has up there sleve in the future.

All I have to say to the dink who posted this Critique is this........What's the weather like up your elitist bitch ass?
If there's anything I can't stand, it's critics, you know, the ones that think they "know better." when in reality theyre a bunch of whiny bitches who think that there opinions should be publicly viewed. Well I'm publicly announcing my thoughts on how much you suck! War All The Time is an amazing album, you're just a picky bitch who can't take music for what it is.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. If you would ever like to discuss issues, say politics or other bands or something, I will be sure to call you so you can call me names.

Tom: at least he can write in coherent sentences about "there" music.

tom, the doctor told you to take your ritalin every day!

hahaha

man, I like it how my comments piss in-secure people off.

hmmm a fan of emo calling a reviewer whinny? I don't think the irony needs to be pointed out in that one!

I disagree with you Craig, War All of the Time is a great album that only Geoff would think the lyrics to come up with and you have to give the band some credit. It sounds like you are only giving Geoff all of the recognition. I think that the band did a great job on their new album. I saw them in cocert in cleveland and they are still just as good. I mean sure it might not stand up to the Full Collapse album but its still a great album. And to this Neal guy War All of the Time is definitly not a punk flavored album, any one that listens to it would know that Thursday is not a punk band.

Hey, buddy. If you're denying that they have punk influences then you're a madman.

The new thursday cd "War all the time" is a masterpiece of music alone on its own set- not to be placed with the bands
past works Full Collapse, Waiting or even Jet Black New Year. Though some might argue that "War all the time" is perhaps one of the bands weaker cd's- it is merely their opinion- however one that I totally disagree with.I believe that this band only continues to grow more and more talented- considering that their music is actually a happy medium between the thoughts of five talented musicians. All members of the band actually have their own thoughts of how their peices should sound and feel like...they all blend theirfeelings into one piece of musicAs grow and mature, its only seems that their music will grow more talented as well- with more feeling, or as some would say EMOtionally. Although I do not know who actually thought of naming a breed of music as EMO, I do know that to brand only one branch of music as EMOtional is absurd. All music is born from emotion and feelings. To place Thurday under such categories is stupidity. Basically, music itself is under the category of EMOtion. Thusday,
however, is a breed of hard-core, indy, rock, punk, and perhaps even a few other styles of music.
To sum it all up, I feel that "War all the time" is a great masterpiece of emotion- with its one sound- one not to be confused with "Full Collapse" or "Waiting"- these works are great
masterpieces as well. All of Thusdays albums should be looked upon as brothers- all related but perhaps with that being their only similarities. However, their is one similarity that continues to appear on their cd's- the now familiar "delay" effect of the guitars- which I personally love the way it adds to the feel of their peices.

RE Neal's comment:
I agree. The person who said that probably thinks punk is only Blink 182 and Good Charlotte and Avril Lavinge and that shiot.

Yeah a...Neal, Thursday has a sort of punk in them but what i was saying is that thursday would not be considered a punk band if you want to know what punk music is. listen to The Casualties or Rancid or something. Any one who listens to music knows that Good Charolette sucks dick and would not be considered punk. Personally i think that Thursday should have their own kind of music group. The lyrics are definitly emo. I'd call them a type of Screemo.

Yeah a...Neal, Thursday has a sort of punk in them but what i was saying is that thursday would not be considered a punk band if you want to know what punk music is. listen to The Casualties or Rancid or something. Any one who listens to music knows that Good Charolette sucks dick and would not be considered punk. Personally i think that Thursday should have their own kind of music group. The lyrics are definitly emo. I'd call them a type of Screemo.

If they arent sreemo than they would certainly be classified as harcore emo.

Pft. Emo's just a label that people slap on whiny music. If you wanted to be really specific, you should call it 'Post-Punk Hardcore' or something to that extent.

call it whatever you want, and these bands can all say the same thing about how they're "just good music" or "just rock and roll" or whatever, they're all emo. Every little one of them from Jimmy Eat World to Thursday. They can try to avoid the label all they want, but that's what made 'em big, that's the scene they play to.

But they're right. They aren't "emo". Rites of Spring on the other hand...

Oh. Look. Aren't you clever? Pulled that little Rites of Spring card out of your ass, didn't you?

damn straight. I musta got it from the same place you got your little "emo is blah blah blah let's make up as many genres as we can so we can avoid calling something what it is"

Like my friend Tim says. It's either rock or it's not. If it is indie, punk, metal, emo, screamo, stoner, on down the freaking line. It can be brought into a few categories.

Rock, Not Rock
You have good rock and bad rock
You have good Not Rock and bad Not Rock.

All I say is,
ROCK!

hehe I like that.

So where does Pete Rock fall?

I mean, he raps, but his name is ROCK.

yeah.......where does pete rock fall. thats a good question. Im gonna hafta disagree with that whole rock thing. There tons of kinds of music and its not all ROCK! Thats about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

"There tons of kinds of music and its not all ROCK!"

That's what the "non-rock" category is for, silly! Dude, I have it covered.

First of all, wether you agree with the review or not, it was very well written, and everyone has different opinions. I believe that the reviewer was being fair with what he liked/disliked about the band, so don't attack them. I was also shocked to see Geoff himself post here. And I'm ashamed to see the discussion has turned into a what's rock/punk/whatever one! Thursday is better than that.
I don't care if this album is political, or about love, or about friendship, or about something else I'll never understand, the point is, it's fantastic, just as Thursday has always been. Don't forget the important stuff, kids.

First of all I must say that War All The Time is a great CD, from by far one of the best bands out there. Secondly we should not be critizing the reviers that try to judge good music. Obviously they really don't know that much when bands like Puddle of Mud, Saliva, Good Charlotte, Andrew WK, and several more bands get hyped up that just suck, maybe money does influence people to say nice things. The reason these critics are even reviewing cd's is because they are getting paid to, so obviously the promoters of Thursday didn't have enough money. So before you go believing everything you hear, remember that sometimes you are only hearing an opinion of someone who probably listened to the cd one time and maybe didn't even listen to all of it.
Thirdly why do so many people want to label things. Does it really matter what you call it. Does it make you feel better to categorize something? Come on if its good and you like it that should be all that matters. There are enough things that people are contained by... why do that to music as well. Let it be music. If you must define it, call it good or bad. All types of music are influenced by each other, so let them coexist instead of separating them. When music can be many things it makes it universal. If you like it then listen if not throw it away or don't buy it, it's your choice. It's that simple.

its so hard to compare the two cds, you have to admmit, theyre both equally amazing. thursday is unlike any other band. their sound sets out from anyone out there, and thats what makes them who they are. full collapse is just as good as war all the time, and you can definately see the whole band when you put the two albums together. well, thats all i gotta say.

hey ...ryan there is such thing as screamo.

what does the song paris in flames mean. i dont understand what it is about. Death?

What the hell is emo? And why the hell does it sound so awful? I don't know anything about emo, but this band and it's music is the worst krap i have ever heard. It's your choice, but why the hell would anyone listen to garbage like this? That ought to get some adrenaline flowing in some of you on this blog...

I think paris in flames relates to the film Paris is Burning, a documentary about male transvestites in the L.A. club scene of the 80/90's?

hey, i totally agree with tom b. and paul. This band knows what the hell they're freakin doing cuz their music is like nothing else that i've heard. They know how to reach out thru their lyrics and rele make the listeners feel some of what they're feeling or thinking. It is pure and rox harder than any of you guys could so stop judging them anyway! None of y'all could possibly measure up to their intensity or style or lyrics, or any of the rest of it. THURSDAYS FREAKIN AWESOME AND THEIR AINT NUTHIN ANYONE CAN SAY/DO TO CHANGE THAT. p.s: ryan doesnt kno what he's talkin about.

I think the reviewer missed the point, however I say this with bias is war all the time is my favourite thursday album and I would go as far as saying my all time favourite album.


I was suprised that the revier felt that the album is preachy and political...as someone who listened to a lot of patularly left-wing politically charged music (refused, sole, sage francis etc.) I dont feel that this album is in the slightest bit preachy or political...war all the time as far as I understand is a play on the so called 'war on terror' but actually means war on the self, that as human beings we are constantly at war with our inner-selves .... Other than that I find it rather odd when people dont like "to be preached too" as they call it...music is one soap box artist have to voice their opinion outside of the mainstreme media bias

The album like all good albums takes a while to aquire, thats why I feel some reviews fall short on it