Blogcritics: Comments on Hendrix: Playing for Play?

Comment by They again

Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:15:12 EDT

ps. Who is this Eric Clapton? Is he famous? The guy from Cream was in the 3rd division when Jimi hendrix was in la liga and he was the closest challenge (apparently).

Comment by They

Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:04:13 EDT

Hendrix played the guitar not because of women, men or for any gain other than he had to. You hear stories of him being at parties and sitting in the corner playing to a bunch of people. He doesn't have to. Why? Because everyone there loves worships him anyway and thinks he is very groovy, hip, cool. So, basically he can have any woman and woo men too even though he wasn't into that but what he did was play and play some more because he would have gone mad otherwise. I heard he took it to bed with him too, funny, one or two of his groupies had singed hair the morning after??

Comment by Eric Olsen

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:05:40 EDT

Another rumor has it that it was a groupie who said Phil was better than Jimi

Comment by The Theory

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:27:31 EDT

It is, however, a fact that hendrix was a keaggy fan. we just don't know what the hell he said about him.

Comment by Taloran

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:34:04 EDT

Ahh.... so, while there's no evidence that Hendrix actually said that about Keaggy, there's no indelible evidence to the contrary. Hendrix was a very wise guy - he knew the roots of his music and paid obvious musical homage to his artistic forebears. I was never surprised by the "deference to Keaggy" legend - I think I'll remain non-committal about it.

Comment by Al Barger

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:35:14 EDT

We might steer away from anthropology and also recognize that there are different motivating factors for becoming a musician. However, most singers, even one so cerebral as Paul Simon, will tell you they started playing music to attract girls. Then again, that's a big part of why guys do most things we do. See James Brown "It's a Man's World." This is a man's world But it ain't worth nothing, NOTHING Without a woman or a girl

Comment by Eric Olsen

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:17:34 EDT

T, I mean Sally, when I asked Daniel Pecchio (of the Glass Harp) about it, he said it could have happened on a live TV interview show (maybe Dick Cavett?) that wasn't taped (of course), but there wasn't any evidence either way. Re the meaning of music: I have always been smitten by philosopher Susanne Langer's theory that the structure of music mirrors the structure of our emotions, and our recognition of that triggers our pleasure and awe. This seems right to me.

Comment by Tom Johnson

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:14:29 EDT

Sally, I think we'll all forgive you . . . as long as you let us smack that ass.

Comment by Taloran

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:05:48 EDT

Well, smack my ass and call me Sally. I've heard that story about Hendrix deferring to Keaggy for bloody ages. I guess I'm guilty of that cardinal sin, spreading unsubstantiated rumor. My apologies to everyone who reads my previous post.

Comment by Phillip Winn

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:55:43 EDT

The story according to Phil:

TrueTunesNews: There has been a story floating around forever. I has to do with Hendrix and/or Clapton saying that you're the best guitarist in the world. PK: Well, to me it seems like an unverified rumor. Maybe someone said something and it went down the line and turned into something outlandish. After 22 years of hearing this thing you would think by now that someone would say "Hey listen to this tape or this video that proves it." Nobody has ever produced anything that gives it authenticity. I couldn't imagine that Hendrix or Clapton would have known me. I do know the Edge has heard about me and was once quoted as saying "I don't understand why he won't be more dangerous with his music." Maybe this album [Crimson and Blue] will prove to be. I met Paul McCartney at a wedding, and he said "You did a very nice job in the wedding, you have a very nice voice." He gave me a couple compliments and some advice. It was great to sit down and have about twenty minutes with one of my heroes and play guitar and sing together. The big mega-stars don't happen really, I just don't rub shoulders with them, although I have recently made friends with Greg Martin from the Kentucky Headhunters. He is going to be interviewing me for a magazine article soon. But I don't know too many big timers. As far as the rumor, unless anyone can sit and show me proof I will not believe it. I do know that in the days the Glassharp was getting underway we were very high spirited. There were some things done in those days that I listen to today and think it was pretty good.

It has also been rumored that what Hendrix actually said was that Keaggy was the shortest guitar player in the world. ;-)

Comment by Tom Johnson

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:36:36 EDT

My theory (at least for this week) on why music sounds good is that it's a side-effect of our developing intelligence. We evolved an ability to recognize complex patterns, maybe because it helped us develop language among other things. We're evolved to look for patterns, motivated by that pleasurable reaction of "A-ha!" when we find them. And what is music but patterns?

I think you're onto something here. I've thought a lot about this, in relation to why we "grow out" of certain music we listened to when we were younger. I think we've all found that, upon re-examining something we just absolutely loved at 15, it just doesn't do "it" for us anymore. It could be that our tastes have developed over time for more challenging things, or it could really be the effect of hype and popularity. Either way, time and distance lends an entirely new perspective to what we thought was so great. Even more interesting is finding something I loved back when I was a teen and finding it as intriguing as I did then - then I get to gloat, thinking, "Damn, I was a pretty smart kid!"

Comment by Tom Johnson

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:31:54 EDT

Off topic, but relevant to Taloran's comment concerning the "Hendrix defers to Keaggy" issue - it's a myth, as dispelled by the know-it-alls at Snopes.com. See http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/keaggy.htm for the full groovy. It may really have been ZZ Top's Billy Gibbons he was giving praise to, but we'll never know for sure . . .

Comment by JR

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:27:53 EDT

King Crimson would be the "control" sample: if they're not getting groupies, then it must not be musical ability that's attracting the women. (Well, we'd probably need more data; I wouldn't want to generalize about anything using only King Crimson as an example.) Anyway, I'm not sure how seriously to take this Dr. Miller. It's seems to me a more obvious reason Hendrix got lots of action would be because he was rather famous (as opposed to, say, King Crimson). I mean, actors get girls too, and what worthwhile genes do they have to pass on? The other problem I have with the sexual selection explanation is that music appeals to members of both sexes; in fact, from what I've seen Hendrix's is more popular with men than with women. HE may have been attractive to girls, but his music is attractive to guys. And this theory about musicians "drawing on so many of the brain's faculties" is interesting in light of all these retrospective IQ estimates of famous historical figures. Invariably the writers (low nookie factor) rank higher than the musicians (high nookie factor). But then, those IQ estimates are almost certainly bogus. My theory (at least for this week) on why music sounds good is that it's a side-effect of our developing intelligence. We evolved an ability to recognize complex patterns, maybe because it helped us develop language among other things. We're evolved to look for patterns, motivated by that pleasurable reaction of "A-ha!" when we find them. And what is music but patterns? Which means that maybe musical appreciation is just an accident of evolution; it has no use whatsoever. And wouldn't that make it even sweeter?

Comment by Taloran

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:02:33 EDT

One of the reasons adolescents pick up the guitar or the saxophone or the Hammond and join a rock'n'roll band is to be accepted by their peers, in other words "cool." (At least, that's one of the reasons I did it in my youth.) Since the cool are generally more desirable and visible than the uncool, it follows that a cool musician (or athlete, or class president, etc.) is going to attract more attention from those he/she finds carnally desirable than the loner, the PS2 enthusiast or the chess club member. Once the adolescent realizes that a particular activity is attracting attention, he/she is likely to continue to participate in that activity in the furtherance of his/her sexual desires. The upshot is, Hendrix knew that his reputation as the greatest guitarist in the world (whether or not he actually was - he deferred to Phil Keaggy) got him laid, and he made the most of it.

Comment by Eric Olsen

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:38:45 EDT

Yes, with Mitchell and Cox it's kind of the Jimi Hendrix Band of Experience. The nookie postulate addresses the evolutionary reasons for music - I don't think it's held up as a direct cause and effect, although I'll bet Robert Fripp gets more noticed by women than if he didn't play guitar.

Comment by Tom Johnson

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:28:46 EDT

How in the hell did I miss this Hendrix release? I didn't see *anything* about this anywhere! I love the Band of Gypsies material, maybe more than the Experience material at times . . . (blasphemer!) As for the "did it all for the nookie" idea, I'd like to see how this applies to something like King Crimson . . . they certainly don't have a problem keeping the groupies away from the tour bus . . .