You're right about the poor airplay that jam bands get. I've been working with one for over six years (in a non-musical capacity). It's hard to sell the concept to radio stations, especially in a market like the one here in India, where the music we make (which is in English) is usually consumed by a narrow niche audience, which is also our market.

I believe the most effective way jambands can reach their audiences is by playing live gigs. However, we have noticed that thanks to the Internet, there is a great interest in our music abroad -- mostly in the US and Europe. The only hitch is getting that live music across to our scattered audience.

Jam bands definitely have their place in music, but they really should not be ranked as anything like jazz. There's nothing jazz-like about them, other than that they improvise. I've heard a good number of live shows from these bands and while they are impressive in their ability to extend their songs and keep a lively groove going, they lack the skills and chops to keep mixing it up like jazz groups do. (And that's why I don't find much of interest in them.)

And please, don't assume that everything in jazz is either lite or completely improvisatory - there are countless groups out there treading the middle ground and still creating beautiful music. I highly suggest checking out the Bad Plus (especially if you like Medeski, Martin, & Wood - these guys blow them away), Ravi Coltrane (yes, John's son), Dave Douglas, Dave Holland, Bill Frisell, Brad Mehldau, William Parker, Matthew Shipp, Sex Mob, Kurt Rosenwinkel, and about a million more.

I think the problem jam bands face is that their audience is limited to what it is now, basically. There are people who can't stand "noodling" - whether in jazz or jam bands - and there are those who need more to go on than the groove (like me.) I think part of the jam band scene is the sense of community that goes with it - the shows are like big get-togethers rather than a concert, which is kind of cool if you think about it. It's unfortunate that drugs are so prevalent in the scene, because I think that turns a lot of people off of it because they just don't want to be a part of that. A lot of people assume, wrongly, that this is all the jam band scene is about (as they do with the rave scene). Unfortunately, a lot of people who might be into the music are otherwise turned away from it because of this . . .

Ditto Tom's posting. But by and large, I'm with you, Dean: Jambands rule.

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Well, you can't forget Jam Bands that may not be... well, hippies. Godspeed You! Black Emperor is on the fringe between ambient and jam band. Also, Mogwai would fit into that catagory.

Then there's the death metal band Comity that would also be easily catorgized as a jam band.

Hey! What's wrong with hippies? ;-)

A jamband need not be comprised of hippies to be good. I happen to be a huge GYBE fan. And heaven knows there are some hippie-filled jambands that aren't very good...

And what about Umphrey's McGee? They do anything for Metallica to Toto. And their originals will blow you back. As far as jambands lacking in their ability or skills, I think you should here Umphrey's before decide to agree with that statement. These guys don't lack in any skill.

When i first heard Phish i thought they were aweful but then i really listened to them and all i ahev been listen to is jam bands, and if anyone can tell me about any shows in the new england area i would be very grateful

Jamband fans are just a different bread from other concert going music fans I think. Their level of dedication is undisputed. I'd argue that jamband concert goers are also even immune to the old "Don't wear the shirt of the band your going to see" rule. [Edited]

So, without airplay, these bands have flourished because of the dedicated fan base who bring all their friends and go to 10 shows a summer not just one.