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<title>Comment by Billy Brady</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-250639</link>
<description>Man i miss u Harryson!!! DAMN this sux im here in English thinkin of all the good times we had in shop and with chewy. O well man take care dude!!</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:49:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by stacy</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-249267</link>
<description>Song:
Stacy&#039;s mom has got it going on, she all i want nd ive waited so long, stacy cant u see your not the girl for me, i know it might be wrong but im in love with stacy&#039;s mom!!</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:20:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ned</title>
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<description>My name might be ned but im not a bed. haha  bush sux weeny and so does america</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:18:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Harryson Lima</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-249264</link>
<description>Bush is an idiot.if he wants all of are kids to enlist then why dont his?? he needs to think about how the poor people always fight the wars otherwise he will go down and so will america. fuck jesus christ- ps from justin v.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:16:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Nancy</title>
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<description>I always felt that if Bush wanted to set Iraq straight so very badly, he should have taken up residence in Iraq and bankrupted THEM instead. And took those obnoxious twin tarts with him so they could justify their existance &amp; do some actual work of value instead of bar hopping every night.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:06:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Harryson Lima</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-167582</link>
<description>you people can stop kissing bush&#039;s ass... he cant run this country at all!!</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:27:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Harryson Lima</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-167580</link>
<description>this is stupid!!</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:26:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by the evil queen</title>
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<description>another excellent post, brian.

thank you.
xoxo, jared</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:12:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Brian Flemmig</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-7542</link>
<description>Thanks, Michelle.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:52:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Michelle</title>
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<description>I really like the use of the word &quot;liberate&quot; in the post. That&#039;s how I imagine a good satitre to be!</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:26:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Brian Flemming</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-7506</link>
<description>andy,

I think you give what is probably an accurate preview of what we&#039;ll hear if the military occupation of Iraq remains, um, military (i.e., violent). No matter how bad it gets, no matter how many of the &quot;bad Iraqis&quot; (i.e., the ones who don&#039;t want freedom) are killed or locked up, we can always say, &quot;Hey, it&#039;s better than they had it under Saddam.&quot;

I mean, that&#039;s a really high bar. Or low, depending on how you look at it. Anyway, there&#039;s lots of leeway. I have no comeback for it, I have to admit. You&#039;re right--as bad as it gets, it probably won&#039;t be as bad as Saddam. Yay!


Eric,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...not the Crusades model again?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

That was an offhand comment, appropriate to the Christianity motivation--which I imagine Bush and his supporters feel is a nice side benefit to the war. That &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnbaptist.org/mam/disaster_relief/update.htm#giftoflove&quot;&gt;converting Muslims into Christians&lt;/a&gt; is a strong desire of some of Bush&#039;s most &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cc.org/aboutcca/index.html&quot;&gt;important supporters&lt;/a&gt; is, I think, undeniable.

How much that will impact the occupation/liberation of Iraq, I don&#039;t know. That&#039;s why I only mentioned it in passing. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I have no problem with you keeping a clear eye on what happens next to make sure we follow through on our promises, but I see no basis for such abject cynicism.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

The basis: the history of every other outside occupier of Baghdad, the history of the British Empire, and...well, history. Oh yeah--and the record of those who are in charge of this occupation.

I am deeply skeptical that the particular American leaders in charge right now will conduct themselves with honor and grace in this occupation. So far, the pattern getting into the war has had bald-faced lies woven into its fabric. The war utterly depended on lies.

Additionally, the war depended on contempt for the international community.

Additionally, George W. Bush himself has shown nothing but contempt for the rest of the world since taking office. 

Additionally, the White House&#039;s own master plan for our security requires dominance over literally every single country on the globe, to be maintained through the &quot;reaffirmation&quot; of military force. This isn&#039;t my opinion. This is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss9.html&quot;&gt;their plan&lt;/a&gt;.

Lies. Contempt. A stated desire to dominate. An infatuation with military deployment. Yeah, I&#039;m cynical about the notion that these qualities will lead to fairness and justice in Iraq. 

&lt;ul&gt;Nowhere has this appearance of diplomatic hypocrisy been more striking than on Iraq. The president got high marks for his superb speech at the Security Council last September, urging the United Nations to get serious about enforcing its resolutions on Iraq and to try inspections one last time. Unfortunately, that appeal had been preceded by speeches by Cheney and comments by Rumsfeld calling inspections a sham&amp;mdash;statements that actually contradicted American policy&amp;mdash;and making clear that the administration had decided to go to war. The only debate was whether to have the United Nations rubber-stamp this policy. To make matters worse, weeks after the new U.S.-sponsored U.N. resolution calling for fresh inspections, the administration began large-scale deployments on Iraq&#039;s border. Diplomatically, it had promised a good-faith effort to watch how the inspections were going; militarily, it was gearing up for war with troops that could not stay ready in the desert forever. Is it any wonder that other countries, even those that would be willing to endorse a war with Iraq, have felt that the diplomacy was a charade, pursued simply to allow time for military preparations?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Bush&#039;s favorite verb is &quot;expect.&quot; He announces peremptorily that he &quot;expects&quot; the Palestinians to dump Yasir Arafat, &quot;expects&quot; countries to be with him or against him, &quot;expects&quot; Turkey to cooperate. It is all part of the administration&#039;s basic approach toward foreign policy, which is best described by the phrase used for its war plan&amp;mdash;&quot;shock and awe.&quot; The notion is that the United States needs to intimidate countries with its power and assertiveness, always threatening, always denouncing, never showing weakness. Donald Rumsfeld often quotes a line from Al Capone: &quot;You will get more with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But should the guiding philosophy of the world&#039;s leading democracy really be the tough talk of a Chicago mobster? In terms of effectiveness, this strategy has been a disaster. It has alienated friends and delighted enemies. Having traveled around the world and met with senior government officials in dozens of countries over the past year, I can report that with the exception of Britain and Israel, every country the administration has dealt with feels humiliated by it. &quot;Most officials in Latin American countries today are not anti-American types,&quot; says Jorge Castaneda, the reformist foreign minister of Mexico, who resigned two months ago. &quot;We have studied in the United States or worked there. We like and understand America. But we find it extremely irritating to be treated with utter contempt.&quot; Last fall, a senior ambassador to the United Nations, in a speech supporting America&#039;s position on Iraq, added an innocuous phrase that could have been seen as deviating from that support. The Bush administration called up his foreign minister and demanded that he be formally reprimanded within an hour. The ambassador now seethes when he talks about U.S. arrogance. Does this really help America&#039;s cause in the world? There are dozens of stories like this from every part of the world.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.com/news/885222.asp?0cv=KA01&quot;&gt; [Newsweek]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
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<title>Comment by NC</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-7496</link>
<description>Speaking of the Crusades: as I understand it, the goal of Christians there wasn&#039;t so much the conversion of people of different faiths as it was the killing of them.

Killing people because they don&#039;t believe in the same god as you.  I wonder, which of the world&#039;s major religions currently most adheres to that principle?  HMMMMMMM....

Oh well.  I&#039;m sure socialism will straighten it all out.  Just look at the track record!</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:57:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Eric Olsen</title>
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<description>Brian, not the Crusades model again? Do you really think converting Muslims to Christianity has anything to do with this? If it&#039;s about conversion there are way more fertile grounds than the heart of Islam: China has a billion people with NO RELIGION AT ALL; there are tens of millions of animists ripe for the plucking in Africa.

&quot;Freedom&quot; doesn&#039;t mean in America&#039;s interest: it means in the native people&#039;s interest, which will ultimately be in our interest - market economy democracies don&#039;t fight each other, remember?

I have no problem with you keeping a clear eye on what happens next to make sure we follow through on our promises, but I see no basis for such abject cynicism.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:42:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by andy</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/04/10/131938.php#comment-7488</link>
<description>you are so right!  Ok send Saddam back in because it&#039;s so clear now that things were better with him!  </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:37:05 EDT</pubDate>
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