Very interesting Tom - welcome!

The fact that you would label Fugazi as an 'emo' band over a punk band is a very unflattering statement. As a genre, 'emo' is often described as "hardcore for girls" bands such as The Get up kids, Alkaline Trio and suchlike have all touted themselves as Emo and to tarnish Fugazi with the same brush seems criminal. Although typifying a band as Punk draws general comparision with mainly modern acts such as Green Day, Blink 182, Less than Jake and the rest of the awful SoCal music movement of the 90's, the original connotation of Punk being a style that promotes anti-consumerism, no-conformity and a deliberate and often aggressive & challenging musical output seems to rest much more soundly with what Fugazi produce. To even label the band at all rides against everything they stand for and Im sure the band feel as if their faces have been slapped everytime it happens. The main man Ian himself even admitted to feeling physically sick everytime he was faced with a kid wearing a straight-edge T-Shirt, a phrase he deeply regrets coining in the eighties. Sorry to be so anal with my disection of your statement, but you should never wax lyrical and give someone the option of being able to shoot you down. In future cop-out like most people and simply define them as "post-hardcore" "post-rock" or "post-punk" like we do for every other band that's too quirky to pigeon-hole, ie, Quicksand, Oneida, Modest Mouse etc, and save yourself from a verbal slapping from someone with nothing better to do (a la - me). Adios.

Did you actually read what I said, Richie, or did you just react blindly to that one word? I know you think you've knocked me down a notch or two, but when I've got the music bible backing me up - AllMusicGuide - all you prove to do is make yourself look the fool. I refer you to AllMusic's page about emo. And I quote: "Fugazi became the definitive early emo band . . . "

Richie, next time do your homework, saving all of us from having to read your verbal vomit, and me having to deliver an actual verbal slapping that means something.

By the way, using the word "quirky" in the context of a band is generally considered pretty tacky and cliche - it's what bad writers do when they lack the ability to label something. It's a meaningless label that is easily thrown around and helps you feel like you know something when you don't. That, by the way, was my second verbal slapping. Not quite packing the roundhouse power-punch of my first one, but semantics is a pretty dorky thing to argue over anyway.

Oh, and lighten up.

Sorry to disappoint Tom, but most would agree that Rites of Spring, not Fugazi, was, if you must (!), the original, and therefore definitive, Emo band.

And Tom I did read your article, and you did say bluntly that Fugazi are emo, not punk.

They are neither. They are simply loud rock that we all listened to and danced to when we were 12, and when we were drunk in college.

Even those of us who considers ourselves artists fit this fan category. Sad but true. Time to move on to Leon Redbone, and the sweet soft sounds of our new lives. He he. Or Don Redman and the great early jazz sounds!!! Whoaa!!! Or Bix!!!! Holy Moly!!!!

Peace out

BennyNailbiter, I will kindly refer you to my response to Richie, #3, directly above your response to me. It answers your question. Whether or not Fugazi was first or not is irrelevent. They are the DEFINITIVE band of the genre that has unfortunately become completely meaningless in the past 5 years or so.

It's also nice to know that you are so superior that you can dismiss good music as simply "loud rock that we all listened to and danced to when we were 12, and when we were drunk in college." There are, however, some of us at 33 years old and even older that continue to listen to and enjoy this music, long out of college and completely sober. May I suggest that you revisit what you have so easily written off as the folly of silly drunken college students? Just because you graduate doesn't mean you have to give up the "loud rock," you know.

To everybody,
I may not be as old as you, but I do know a lot about the 70's-80's punk movements. Yes, Fugazi was an emo band, however, they were also a punk band. Fugazi was one of the punk bands that did something different. They combined emo(invented by Rites of Spring), hardcore(invented by Bad Brains), punk(invented by Ramones), and many others. They are not a band to be classified, as #1-it is against what they stand for and #2 they were a constantly evolving band(as many other bands were, example-Dead Kennedys) I understand where all of you are coming from. I am not trying to shoot anybody down. I just want to say, you all have good points and bad points. Now, on to the subject of all punk bands sounding the same. As I stated before, many punk bands evolved. Punk really only started to sound the same during the mid-to-late 80's. There are bands such as GBH, who sounded much like the other bands because the genre was degenerating. Punk, like Fugazi, is not easily defined. You have on one hand Circle Jerks, who have a 14-songs-in-15-minutes album, and on the other you have X-ray Spex, a much slower band with a sax player. What I want to say is that you can label something punk, but that is such an enormous genre that it could mean almost anything. It could mean it is psychobilly, hardcore, pop-punk, emo, grunge, skacore, crossover, and the list goes on for pages and pages. Tom, I enjoyed your article. I just want to point out a few things in everybody's arguments. You are all right and wrong. Remember, after they did "Blitzkrieg Bop" and "I Wanna Be Sedated", the Ramones went through some huge changes(listen to their album "Too Tough To Die" for proof). So, Fugazi is punk(see the part about the variations). Or rather, Fugazi is just Fugazi. No genre, no label, no commercialism. Fugazi is a band that speaks out against these things, and acts on their words.
I do not mean to tear people down, it's not what I'm about. I am a fan the same as all of you. Plus, would Ian MacKaye want his fans bickering like this? Think about that before you start fighting about him.