that video is almost as dumb as seeing it live!

hardcore kids, you know you're just skanking!

NY dancing i not skanking, i dont know what is in Jersey

Long live the unity and strength of hardcore...XXXXfuck what you thinkXXXX

xxxx... James what's the 4th x for?

Haha just kiddin man.

I have mad respect of hardcore kids threshhold for pain, I myself dont enjoy getting dropkicked while dancing to music. Im pretty sure the kids who started that karate punching shit thought "Lets make a hardcore version of skanking!" I will say one thing all the hardcore kids, punks, and rudes need to come together and learn to respect eachothers music choices and just have fun with out being so ruff! Fuck all these scenes come together and respect eachother. I sound like a fucking hippie but I know allot of people probably agree with me!

hardcore is dead. any genre that hasn't offerened anything new and creative for 4 years is officially run into the ground. Xxxscrewhardcore_longliveprogressionxxX

Andy, is pop dead too, then? What about country?

Enlighten me.

Here's the catch. Country bands sound different. Pop bands sound different. 1 thing I noticed at Cornerstone...EVERY BAND SOUNDS THE SAME. "oh but this one sings and blends emo and hardcore". Yeah that's never been done. Come on. Hardcore has no where else to go. If you can listen to a Buddy Greene CD and tell me country isn't offering anything new, then well I don't know what to say. there have been creative counry offerings, there have been creative pop offerings...but hardcore? The last creative thing we heard was Dillinger Escape Plan and The Refused.

and The Theory adds...The Blood Brothers.

andy, come on, ur just pissed, 'cause most likely, your testicles are too small to get you through a hardcore show alive.

andy-
hatebreed has revolutionized hardcore as we know it. there are alot of bands that are incorporating more guitarwork and elements of metal into hardcore (ex. born from pain, thrice, ringworm)thrice arent exactly my fav. hc band but they have brought an element of melody to hardcore and i think its gonna be big. And Dillinger Escape plan sucked, ugh its almost unfair to call them hc. And if you like country and pop so much i dont necessarily think you should be throwing around your opinion on hardcore. The hc scene is still very much alive.

You guys are all talking about metal anyway. Haha. This post was a joke in the first place. Keep your feet on the ground. Down with that Karate crap!

Dillinger never sucked. Although you're right, they're not hardcore. But dude, neither is Thrice so calm down and listen to Under the Knife if you want to hear Hatebreed. That's all, goodnight.

your talking to the wrong person about hatebreed. i've seen them live a good 12 times, i've got their entire discography including some early splits and 7"s. i'll be the first one to admit that their 2 latest discs are about as hardcore as a mullet, but they will still tear your face off live and deserve alot of credit for what they've done for the scene. Your right thrice is probably not the best example to use, they have elements of hc but my point is hardcore isnt just a bunch of guys screaming and playing power chords anymore.

you kids are fuckin dumb hardcore isnt dead ya fuckin noob. and if you dont wanna get drop kicked in the head move the fuck out of the way fag. oh and ska sucks skankins for retards.

Ska is fucking stupid... Ska is for little children of pussies. Only fags and hippies listen to popmusic aka ska.

Hardcore and Death metal all the way!

let me break it down 4 u...all of u that have a problem with hc music...come in the pit and say it to my face!!! Ill spin kick your head off of youre sholders!!! hc is somthing to fight 4..You see people at fuckin tim mcgarw or magraw whatever the fuck concerts.Do those people are boring fuckin rednecks that have no heart or emotion in there shallow ass music.hc gives me somthing to belive in and fight 4.it fuckin rules ur ass!!! so get over it.

wuz up bitches? so you think your hardcore? well your not. i am god of hardcore. i invented hardcore. also, fuck all these teeny bopper bands,hick shit, and all those pop punk poser bitches(fuck good charlotte)
hail to the hardcore god or die trying.

you arent hardcore unless you pimp in the lowryderz.blazers on 15s biotch. fuck cadillacs on 22s. theres too damn many escalades. get real. drive the lolo blaza on 15s niggas

this thread makes me feel 100 years old.

timtroll says... Only fags and hippies listen to popmusic aka ska.

i assume that this style of music is homophobic if yous is talking bout "fags". that seems very 1980's. dude. like some gay bashing new waver.

ido love da chats dough.

it is fun..yeah..that is it fun.

yous dun be da bo bo bomb yo .

is a hardcore...an errect penis.

i am chillen wid the villian.

dillenger rocks/

the disturbed rules

metalica is for breeders and new wavers
and christian coalition wannabees.

if you really want to get your thang on..you need to be geddin doooown wid
FUNNY GIRL BY BARBARA STRIESAND.

jack e. jett

you say metallica fans are new wavers...hmmm, and you like disturbed and dillenger escape plan? (two horrible, HORRIBLE bands by the way) well, see, back in 1983(waaay before you were born), metallica released their debut album "kill 'em all" (im sure you've never heard of it, despite its popularity amongst metal fans)and this album launched thrash metal as we know it today(I refer to "we" as in the true metal fans/appreciators, i'm certainly not reffering to your dumb ass). disturbed and dillenger escape plan owe every dollar they have made, every fucking riff they ever wrote (unfortunately), to Metallica. You are a complete idiot. castrate yourself immediately so the world will be rid of your joke of a legacy forever.
You obviously know nothing about hardcore, or the english language for that matter. fuckhead.

Kevin you are fucking retarded. You swear hatebreed is hardcore but do you have any idea of who they look up to? Integrity and Ringworm, hatebreed did not invite the genre. Learn your fucking shit and stop talking like you know something, because you dont. Dillinger is progressive hardcore and they have fucking balls to do the shit they do. Hatebreed followed in the footsteps of integrity. learn your shit.

big fucking deal you dumb shit. you obviously didnt listen to what i said. I said that hatebreed has done what very few hardcore bands have been able to do, and that is bring hardcore to the masses. Aside from Jamey's label and all the bands that they've brought on tour who are now big names, they're fast becoming one of the biggest selling hc bands to date. I've got nothing but respect for ringworm, birth is pain is one of my favorite cd's and The Promise fucking owns. open your FUCKING eyes and read my post before you go criticizing. Just because you throw around bandnames like that doesnt mean you know shit. And as long as were talking about influences, whatabout Madball? what about S.O.I.A.? i never claimed hatebreed have invented metalcore, i said that they have opened alot of peoples eyes to the genre. And i meant to say Terror, not Ringworm. so fuck off. I'm sick and tired of you holier-than-though hardcore fucks who feel the need to knitpick every goddamn thing because they think they know more than everyone else.

Way to read AP magazine!

way to ruin hardcores good name. You obviously can't back your shit up so you resort to the "poser" attacks. eat shit you prick scenester

anyone know any sites for good hc dancing videos

Haha kevin, you act like such a hardass but your prolly a pussy emo kid, who got into something like poison the well and then starting thinking they know shit about hardcore. Madball's old but they were not as talented as others. Anyone who calls themselves hardcore and then goes on to say Dillinger sucks should know something about music. I have never heard even a Hatebreed song that has 5+ riffs in a song. sit down.

last time i checked hardcore was about acceptance of others opinions even if they differ with your own and standing up for your fellow hardcore kid, and showing respect, which you have pretty much done the exact opposite. Sorry I don;t like Dillenger Escape Plan, but thats no reason to start pissing and moaning about how "un-hardcore" it is to dislike them, and FYI, I've never actually heard a Poison the Well song. And anyone who claims to be a hardcore kid and disrespects madball is just a fashioncore bitch. Learn some fucking roots, learn some fucking respect, then come back and talk hardcore. Alot of hardcore bands use very few riffs in their songs and keep them short, bands like your precious Ringworm, Terror, Agnostic Front, cro-mags, etc. Thats basically the point of hardcore, short agressive songs with heart and meaning, not tight jeans and spikey hair. Quit listening to FATA and 18 Visions, fashioncore faggot.

You are THE biggest fucking hypocrit. You go on your bitchy little spiel on acceptance and other homosexual shit and you're the one who starting going off on how dillinger is not hardcore. Listen to From autumn to ashes? If you could point out where i said i liked EMO, then you would have permission to speak. I do think you said you liked thrice and called them hardcore? they are fucking mtv post hardcore SHIT. There is much more old hardcore bands than Madball. And everyone has there own opinion on which hardcore bands they give recognition to. So why dont you stop bitching, shut the fuck up, and go back to listening to thrice, sum 41 and your other mainstream shit bitch. sit

Lol Tooold

I used thrice as an example dicksmoke. I said they have elements of hardcore. I know this "reading" thing is tough for you with your disability and all, but try to read my posts before responding. Also, i never made any attacks on anyone like your ignorant dumb ass did, i simply don't think dillenger should be categorized as hc, and that got your panties all in a twist to go online and start picking fights with people. You're so fucking "core" dude!

Aww,i think i must have hurt your feelings. Remember for emo-kids like you theres always Johnson + Johnson "No More Tears."

This discussion started off about how the hardcore scene is dead. I disagree but, if i wasn't into hardcore Kevin and Kyle would make me believe otherwise.

? Hows that?

You say all this shit about the "ideals of hardcore", yet when it comes down to it, that is not hardcore. You want to know what the fuck hardcore is? Hardcore is music. Not a lifestyle, not ideas to live by, it's just music. The truth is, though, it's barely even music. It's untalented players who fucking scream like morons, nothing more nothing less, and if you live your life by something so stupid, you are just a waste of life. If you fucking hardcore kids think you're so tough because you can hit each other in a mosh pit, then you're a fucking faggot. That doesn't mean shit. I've seen your gay little videos on Boston Beatdown.com and you are all pussies.

I don't know who the fuck ever claimed to be a fucking badass for listening to hardcore but you need to get your shit straight. Screaming takes as much talent as it does to sing your Vanessa Carlton crap. Hardcore singers go through the same training and vocal lessons. By posting that retarded comment you have already acknowledged the fact that you ARE a faggot.

haha... this is fucking rediculus.

grow up. quit spending time on messageboards and go to a show and just fucking dance.

Stfu and stfd.

How bout we all just leave at this.....quit being so stupid and be open minded.....how can you say things...that apparently "all" hardcore kids are.....cuz you dont know em all.....i listen to hardcore....do i think im some tough kid cuz i can hit kids in a pit....no...not at all...and if you think your any better cuz your so punk....get real....you skank...its lame.....i love punk...ive done it....but do you see what i mean....its just a big circle of stupif crap that people go around..talking crap about other people....and about the skanking.....just because i think its lame and still do it...doesnt make me a hypocrite...i know i look like an ass just like every other guy in there.....buts its funny...so what the hell..its all about having gun at shows.....whether you skank, dance, whatever the hell you call those hardcore dances...or whatever else....its doesnt mattle....just shut up and let people be free to do what they want

hmmm. see, guys. well...basically you all are gay. it's not a big deal, get over yourselves. who cares how people dance? they're just having some fucking fun. GET A LIFE LOLZ!!!!! kthxbye.

Fuck you all. Especially Lauren. Don't you all see what "thrashing" has done to our scene? I'm fucking harDCore and was practically right by Ian Makaye's side when he started Minor Threat. After he got expelled from school (Wilson High School...DC NW bitches) all his passion was focused on hardcore. Now what? He's so fucking sick of what hardcore has become. Just some silly fashion game. You'll never fucking see Ian at a hxc show now because of thrashing assholes. And the same goes for me fuck what the harDCore scene and any hardcore scene has become. Just fuck it.

uhhhhhh patrick. gfy. i caught you thrashing in a parking lot today. you are a fucking hypocrite. go kill yourself. ily.

FUCK U HARDCORE POSERS FUCK METALCORE FUCK HATEBREED
damn u Pussies ....

A) Hardcore Is Gay
B) Music Is Gay
C) Scenes Are Gay
C) You Are Gay

That pretty much sums it all up.

If someone makes a comment along the lines of 'that is so gay' or 'you are a faggot', we all understand that it is intended as an insult. Even though being gay is more accepted in society now, so it's really just a weak insult. Only bugs people with low self-esteem anymore.

But when you write a paragraph that says basically nothing more than 'you are gay, they are gay, this and that are faggots, hardcore is gay, blah, blah, blah. It really sounds less like an insult and more like an obsession.

Yeah... in other words, if I had to dumb it down to your cro-magnon level of understanding FashionCoreHolocaust, we are saying that your comment number 44 was "gay." And using the word gay as an insult, by your definition is "gay."

Do you get it yet?

Calling things "gay" is ineffective because it only stands as an insult in circles of knuckle-headed inbred fuckers. Thanks.

Actually, I was referring to about 80% of the comments on this whole thread.

Good point.

GET A LIFE LOLZ!!!!! kthxbye.

^ This chic is "gay"

shut the fuck up all of you ya dumbass motherfuckers metal, hardcore whatever the fuck you call it, it all kicks ass

its all about having fun guys...and sex. Who hear likes the BLED, Norma Jean, As I Lay Dying, Fear Before The March Of Flames, Blood Brothers, Kinison, Saosin (too bad the singer left), etc.?

Hmm ill make your a list a little better naming better bands :p.

Norma jean is good.
Dillinger Escape plan
City of caterpillar
give up the ghost
integrity
ringworm
throwdown
FBTMoF is good

You are all fucking posers! Who gives a rats ass about you? Ohh, I am hardcore, really I am. Where were you in 1980? You just listen to crap that has been over processed and not pure. Boomcrashbaby, you sound like a true fudge packing factory.

) Hardcore Is Gay
B) Music Is Gay
C) Scenes Are Gay
C) You Are Gay

That pretty much sums it all up.

______

Thou doth protest too much!

you can come out. it is very easy

jack

I thought all this "gay" talk was about lightheartedness and good-natured whimsy.

Boomcrashbaby, you sound like a true fudge packing factory.

oh, no! You just called me gay! My life is so over. There's no recovery from such a witty insult.

Moshing? It's teen boys taking off their shirts and jumping all over each other. That's so NOT gay.

Lets mosh and have buttsecks

It seems as if there is a tendency with posts on hardcore or any other scene to trail off as many bandnames as possible that show how committed u are to the scene but this makes no sense. Music has this incredible power that enables people to connect with it on such a deep-seated level regardless of whether this connection touches on hardcore, metal, prog-who cares. To be passionate about hardcore you don't have to salute Hatebreed just like you don't have to adore Maiden just cos you love metal. As for hardcore dancing and stuff that comes down to personal preference-its surely once that becomes your focus and eclipses the music that something is wrong.

You say all this shit about the "ideals of hardcore", yet when it comes down to it, that is not hardcore. You want to know what the fuck hardcore is? Hardcore is music. Not a lifestyle, not ideas to live by, it's just music.

This guy knows what he is talking about.

http://www.live4metal.com/cradleoffun.htm

Might I refer you to that list, so you guys can get your acts together and start being REAL xXxHARDCORExXx!

NORMA JEAN F**K'N ROCKS!!!!

ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*ZAO*
BELOVED*BELOVED*BELOVED*BELOVED*BELOVED*
NORMA JEAN*NORMA JEAN*NORMA JEAN*

consider spaces between wrods

i dont understand this civil war you people,as peers or whatever the fuck you are to the hardcore community are here rambling on about. if you claim to be hardcore, then be. stop falsely misinterpretating fighting for what you may beleive. share your ideas, just dont fucking forcefeed your opinion on anybody

CUZ I WOULD DIE TONIGHT FOR MY BELEIFS.

What the fuck is with all this I'm so much more hardcore than you bullshit you remind me of a bunch of enlarged penises at a manson going on about how "goth" they are, hardcore punk goth alternative who gives a fuck!! in the end it's just there so your not wondering around aimlessley in a cd store. YOU ARE YOU your favoured genre of music may reflect your beliefs in life somewhat, but in the end it's just a genre of music that you can relate to. stop acting like a bunch of fucking tards.

Fuck the scene.

Man who cares if u get hurt in a mosh pit, all that matters is how fun it is to be in one :)
Para los que no sepan español:
Si no saben lo que dice aquí, no tienen cerebros

First off, Metalcore=As I Lay Dying, Between The Buried and Me, Animosity.
Grindcore=The Red Chord, Daughters, Leng Tche, WHOREXCORE.
Tough Guy Hardcore=Hatebreed, Madball, Full Blown Chaos, Clenched Fist, Throwdown.
Posicore (original hardcore)=Ten yard Fight, Rampage, Good Clean Fun, Jaguarz, The Wrong Side/Dumptruck.

Other modern horseshit crap people like you fruits call hardcore=Poison The Well, FATA, Atreyu,Thrice, Norma Jean, ect.

Learn your genres before you start calling things "hardcore". Keep in mind also that different things happen at different hardcore shows (when i say Hardcore, i am refering to all genres included) For instance, At Thrice, you would not see any/little violence. Because, it is pointless and new wave shitcore. If you go and see Full Blown Chaos, the whole place is ripped apart, a lot of fights. You go and see Ten yard Fight (r.i.p), you would see people skanking, and having a good time. With me, i go to it all, and i have fun. I crowd punch, i hit people. Have a problem? Hit me at a show, and get jumpped. Quit crying, know your genres. And Yes they are very different. I am not trying to be a tough guy, but that is how things really are. And for that fuck who claims the kids in "Boston Beatdown are pussies". Come to our shows, tell it to our faces, and see what happens. Dont reply back to this thread, shut up. learn your roots before you claim "Straight Edge", Go to shows. End of story.

^ Haha!

Well put.

U newjacks need a fucking fist in the face before you can claim to be anything more than the maggots you are.

You said genre.

Hahaha this is great. I can't believe there are still comments being posted on this entry. See what happens when people are allowed to listen to metalcore?

Norma Jean is a great band, I think it is pretty lame how people are so influenced by a simple little title "hardcore" Dont get me wrong, i love hardcore, im a hardcore kid, but its dumb how a little name can get so many people pissed off

My city has a pretty nice little hardcore scene, we got a lot of good bands that come, such as capital tragedy, nights like these, and this day will burn. This day will burn is a birmingham metal core band, and they are really really good. Hardcore dancing is fun, its not meant to mock any "mosh" idiots

Don't know why you're all arguing! People will call different things different names and most of all like favourite bands and do different things when at gigs. There is one thing that is complety stupid and that it straight edge and emo - emo=sitting in a dark room crying yourself to sleep and straight edge=arrogent cunt! those are my views not yours and theres fuck all you can do about it! hardcore is about how it makes you feel and what it makes YOU do - not some cunt that you aint even bothered about, so get out there enjoy yourselves and kick some straight edge shit!

Ok first of all, all of you arguing about who knows more about hardcore are a bunch of tenny pricks that spend too much time on the internet looking up hardcore on google of yahoo. God damn who gives a shit who started it, whos the most hardcore band, who to respect and all that stupid shit you guys are talking about. I just spent a good amount of time reading this chat and it makes me sick. Just listen to the music, have your own opinion about and leave everyone else alone. Just because they might have a different view on hardcore doesnt mean shit. Also stop ragging on what bands people listen to. Just go out and enjoy the music, keep the scene alive god damnit. If we have people fighting about shit like this then it will die.

oh yeh and Abel Atreyu isnt hardcore i dont think anyone said they are and if they did then their wrong. FATA isint either. see this is what i mean by people being stupid and ragging on others about what kind of bands they listen to

I agree. Infighting is killing the scene. Scott Vogel & others have said hardcore's worst enemy is hardcore kids, and reading some of the posts they might be right. its cool if you listen to thrice, Madball, hatebreed, FATA, whatever, it all comes back to the same music and their are lots of people who listen to all sorts of hxc and hxc spawned styles. And dance how you fucking want to, just dont ruin it for anyone else.

ok so what if I goto a concert and there are "hardcore" kids there, and im just moshing along, one of them is going to come up to me and just punch me for no reason other than its "hardcore"? um... moshing isnt about being a pain in the ass to everyone else around you, nor is it beating the shit outta sum kid next to you.. its about the music fuck

^ Okay I didn't want to get into an argument, but pushmoshing isnt about the music, its about mindlessly pushing each other for no reason. I hate it when people do it at hardcore shows, people were doing it at Incubus at the calm parts! At least hardcore dancing is meant to be at the beat, or at certain breakdowns.

None of this matters. We all can listen to hardcore; some of us choose to follow the "scene" and wear tight pants and white belts, others of us choose to be "tought" and "sXe", others just don't follow trends. Why are scenesters stereotyped? Why do scenesters stereotype? Why does anyone stereotype? Honestly, we all just need to have a good time at a hardcore show and dance! You can nu metal mosh at any nu metal show you want to :)

jaden <3

ps just dont get in my way when im dancing :)

I guess you dont know too much about moshing there Jaden, if it wasnt about the music, then why the hell do you go.. Do you just mindlessly jump around like a fuckbag at home listening to the calm sound of your refridgerator running? your a fucking tool

Yes, a lot of people do just randomly pushmosh. And anyways, tell me, what beat are you supposed to pushmosh to?

jaden <3

holy crap. most of you poor people are what's ruining hardcore for the rest of us. hardcore isnt about being tough, or fighting for it. it is a style of music. a style of music with a lifestyle associated to it. fight for your lifestyle, not some stupid genre of music.
and pits are supposed to be respectful. if you knock someone down, pick them up. none of this "i'll punch through your face, stay outta my way" crap. how about we all just keep it clean and try to have some fun, not put on a macho facade.

daniel

alright, this is fuckin bullshit!!!!! I dont give a fuck how ignorant this makes me sound!!! Hardcore rox!!! Hardcore as in Norma Jean, Bleeding through, fear before the march of flames, as I lay dying, etc. Shows kick ass, the music kicks ass, the dancing kicks ass, but the people talkin shit....now that SUX ass. These motherfuckers that stand around at the shows with these cocky looking faces on, whispering in their friend's ear beside them about how "Un-hardcore" someone is dancing, or how "Poserish" someone is dressed all need to just go die somewhere. Those are the people that wouldn't know what the fuck hardcore is even if it held them down, and farted in their face!!! Now this statement sort of makes me a hypocrit, because I remember some times when I was like that at a show, but that was when I was still a noob in the scene, I've grown up now, and I realize that the scene i ssupposed to be just a good time, enjoying the music, the people, just the whole vibe. Oh yeah, and another thing I can't stand is those stupid ass heavy-set punk rocker people who come to OUR shows, and make fun of us, calling us "stupid emo kid", and "Queers because we're guys wearing girl pants" Its bullshit, and those people need to get cut up by a dull blade, and then have someone piss in their open wounds. Thats all I have to say, thank you and goodnight.

Hardcore kids went from being the nicest/accept you for what you are kids to faggot ass slipknot fan type kids with their gay " if you dont like our music you suck" judging people by the music they listen to is fucking stupid, fuck you all.

The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra (DEU) is a group deserving of the title hardcore. The Germans are beating us at our own game. Support your local scene (and make love in a tree and recycle). but if your local scene is contaminated with fashionable pricks and tight-dickie's wearing wanks start a revolution in your garage!!! OH, and don't forget jimmy eats world...they are sooooooooo dreamy...

-random pearlandite in exile in CZ

Okay, Okay, All i'd like to say, is that, everytime I go to a punk show, there just happens to be a "hardcore" band. When they go on, they get pissed for us trying to mosh, so they start a fight. Every time, it's 3-5 people on me. I'm 140 lbs, and not built at all. The way they "dance" is about hurting other people, where as in the punk scene, it's about the music, and when someone falls down, you pick their ass up. Why must we get into fights every time? Because someone kicks a punk in the head, and it ends up, 15 of them rush 1 punk. I personaly believe in fair fights, so I jump in, and I get 3+ on my ass. I have a video of one of the fights if you want, Just E-Mail me.

Hardcore kids! Stop fucking judging people! Listen to whatever the fuck you want and stop hating other kinds of music! Its ridiculous that you guys think your music is the only good music! Everyone likes different shit! If you cant respect other peoples' tastes then go ram a fist up your asses

for one the hot topic coalition needs to slow the fuck down with the history lessons, none of you fucking idiots knows what you're saying, nor have you mentioned the fucking greatest bands like converge, bane, set ablaze,blood for blood etc. etc. so shut the fuck up!

the fact that you are all arguing over what is hxc and what isnt is retarded. nobody is EVER gonna respect the others music. in a way, all of you, me included) are posers. we didnt start hxc, grind, death metal, or anything of that sort. maybe you are tough. big fuckin deal. stop telling other people they arent. go listen to whatever music you want, go to shows, support your scene, dance, and have fun. fuck all the critiques, and dont listen to simple plan...

Well what I don't get is why people take it so seriously. It's like thier whole perspective on life is reduced to the codes of their subcultures, and to hating on other subcultures.

I appreaciate the meanind of style(s), and of ways of getting on in life. But it's retarted to argue with others over what's cool and what's stupid. Give it up, hep cats.

Sydney, I thought you said you were a teacher, this is alien to you?
Not everyone is as enlightened at 15 as you were, let's just close the door to the kids' playroom now and go back to the grown-ups' area.

TOOL Has maybe the greatest band members ever assembled. I would be shocked if any of the NumbNut Dumbfucks on this forum have an IQ over 70.

long live softXcore my awesome, intelligent friends who are completely and wholy themselves and listen to REAL music...we dont need to beat the shit out of each other while we listen so shity music to feel needed...

start the softXcore revolution!

So, I have one question-- Where does RaisedFist fit into the equation? As far as I'm concerned they're hardcore. Atreyu is great... The Curse is not really that good though. Even those really shitty emo bands have their moments. The Used/ TakingBackSunday/ saves the day... etc
Then again Boysetsfire/ Snapcase... are the shit too... they emocore? Whose a fag? Now for my beef. There is no individuality in HXC... Everyone in the scene wears those fucking army caps, the black shoes, the chains the hardcore band hoodies, It's a uniform. I'm against that. There's Holier-than-thous everywhere.. and it pisses me off.. I say we listen to what we listen to, if we like it that's our business. Who's to judge? Hell! I"ve been known to go to a few raves.. Happy Hardcore? yes. hahaha I'd like to see what you think of that! So, no faggots here, just shut the hell up and lighten up. Even if you're straight edge, or do coke to get pumped... I'm all up for tolerance!(and yes.. I also know I sound like a hippie)

I dont wanna get bitched at but no matter what u wear someone else is out there wearing it... so why is wrong for people to dress in theyre caps,balck shoes,hoodies?? maybe they like the way it looks, besides it will die out soon anyway

Hardcore shit is just for little people who want to be individuals but all end up having the same gay hair and liking the same gay music, it's their faults that by the year 2050 all kids will become emo and refuse to go to war and the USA will be abolished, as for the hxc(whatever the hell it means) kids having a high threshold for pain, no no, they just have a low Extacy tolerance

Err... I like Slayer and I've just started to listen to metal around six months ago as a fill for the emptiness I found in rap music. I'm listening to Black Sabbath right now. I had some Zeppelin, Pantera, and System of a Down, but some assholes stole my music. I plan on buying some Morbid Angel (I don't know what CD to buy), and some Metallica (the 80's version).

What I wanna say is, stop fighting over music. It was entertaining, but don't start hating people because their different. That's why I stopped hanging around people I used to hang out with to start hanging around the skateboarder/punk/metal people. Because I wanted a sense of open-mindedness. You are destroying the little faith I have in mankind.

Death to Society.

xXfuck all you ppl bashing us hardXcore kids we are better than you'll ever be and have alot mroe fashion sence and how to treat ppl!Xx

LOVE:<3xXfaggotXcoreXx<3

Alright, basically, you are all getting really, really idiotic. Fair enough, some of you are really patriotic about what you listen to - but heres the bare facts:

Kids that are labelling themselves are ruining the whole Ideals of Hardcore, you may well be into it, but you can honestly call yourself hardcore, and then list such fucking sell-outs like Norma Jean, As I lay dying and all the other post-hardcore shit, like The Used and The Bled as Hardcore?? no. The bands I've seen listed here are doing for the money. Especially the Used.

Real hardcore is your local music scene, refusing to conform to stupid views that you don't agree with. It's about open-mindedness, your choices, and respect for anyone who had made their own desicions. It's not about whose the toughest, it's not about who can list the best bands, it's not about who knows the most about what has happened to set up the Hardcore genre and the way it is today.

As to the Demigodd. Good for you dude! Just remember not to label people, it's ruining the little sense of self-accomplishment left in the world. Because lets face it, anyone who makes it to be a politician, is a puppy, someone who is being controlled. It's true.

Also; insulting people by calling them gay, is a really immature and pathetic, homophobic and intollerant thing to do. Are you like 11? You're calling yourself a hardcore kid too, so I'd guess so..

urallidiots - awesome fucking bands! I saw Converge play a little while ago, now that defined Hardcore, there was some fucking Throwdown pit there.

I'm not going to try and inform you all any further though, but stop acting like a bunch of 11 year olds and get a life, get a girlfriend / boyfriend and start listening to the true sound of street punk.



Over and out motherfuckers;

good job Ixthinkxyou'rexallxsuck, I think ure 100% right, i mean ya i listen to AILD and HIMSA and throwdown, which is metal more than anything else, Im not gonna call it hardcore, cause its not, i know hardcore is Intergrity, 7 seconds, SSD,Slapshot.... as for the emo thing, i think these emo kids are making it interesting, so are the hardcore kids, and metal kids, i like all the clothes and i dont think bashing them is gonna make anything better, all its gonna get u is beat up or shot, ir some shit, we need to stick together, haha

i wish everyone would get along :)

welp. first of all you can look all this shit up in the wikipedia website. hardcore isnt dead, nor is punk or ska.
and, id rather hardcore and punk be an underground scene, because we all know that hot topic is getting ready to exploit that. good example, their selling a how to hardcore dance video and a throwdown straight edge marker for 20 bucks each.


oh- and dillenger escape plan is technically mathcore, they write their music with calculus. it may suck, but whatever.



oh.

and throwdown IS hardcore,
hardcore melodies, and hardcore breakdowns.


although - me personally on a music taste level, pretty much grindcore. power violence, hardcore, - post- hardcore. hardcore punk, old school punk new school punk.

and you know what i have to say about that?
music is music. if it makes you feel a certain emotion, if it gives you that little push inside, you know that its for you. dont listen to a band because the media tells you to, and dont conform to just one taste of music. you'll never know what you like if you dont try it.

matt is sooo right too, good points

Man...This is great. I love that you guys are so intensely interested in things that have nothing to do with you. If you don't like hardcore/screamo/emo/etc, then don't get on a blog and argue about it.
The only people who have the right to be here are the kids who enjoy it. Fuck. Hardcore is amazing. I love it, because everyone has fun at these shows. They let girls in the pit, too. At "punk rawk" shows (like a particular time at a Clit45 show), they wouldn't let me in the pit. It's stupid.
I agree that any kid who feels as if Thursday is screamo and that Atreyu is hardcore has a problem, yeah. But, for someone to get on this blog and say that bands like Orchid and Saetia (on the screamo end), and Throwdown and As I lay Dying (on the hardcore end) are bad music, or that the dancing sucks...well that just suggests that they were too lame to be accepted by the kids on the scene.
And as for "the scene," of course there is a scene and of course there is conformity. Those who ride together die together. That is human nature, whether you bitches like it or not. Punk rock music is all about unity and blah blah blah...and about who's vest is studded up enough. It's bullshit. These kids are gay. So are all the post-metal, metallica lovers. Those are the kids who all of us hardcore kids know are going to blow up schools someday. With your long pony tail, undershave, wallet chain, and too-baggy pants. Fuck you.
Go to a show, listen to song lyrics, and for godsake, stop trying to get attention by being argumentative...for all the attention you are trying to generate, you might as well be listening to I Hate Myself while slitting your wrists with a pair of blunt scissors.

if you worried about hardcore not going anywhere i suggest you listen to everytime i die, and THE BLED. the bled are not often mentioned when hardcore is brought up but everyone needs to listen to them, there is depth is their songs, and everything is blended with perfect excellence.i know its a crappy description but if you like emo/hxc then you need this band...nuff sed

al right,
the truth out ther is that hardcore kids a following a stupids ass trend that is going to end up making them looking like the pussies they are.

living in a town where more than a quarter of the high school is emo/harccore kids i know what im talking about. they try to add a tough scary looking sad pity approach which any guy who isnt a crying sissy would tear them apart if they ever said shit to him.

im sorry but bands that scream there head off are not cool, and belive it or not you will not like them in five years, because you are following a fucking trend.some guys are just doing it for the hardcore girls struggling to get pussy. Guess what i've been banging this hardcore chick for two weeks and i am not at all anyway like a hardcore fag. i dont need a stupid identity to get laid.

now specifically i am talking about the hardcore /emo dress up kids with the super lame ass hair they spend hours on. if you like the music and you dont have a sad emo ass identity then fine, you just have a different taste. but to all you little scrawny emo kids who write dark poetry every time you girlfriend makes you sad. fucking stop crying and get over it.

being a pussy dose not make you look cool, it makes you look like a pussy.

heres the thing everyone argues about the same shit in hardcore all the fucking time. well i got news being a tough guy is not cool, the only kids who fucking like you are tough guys or they are just intimidated. and secondly if your not sxe and punk your just a fucking christian jock .

ur all fuckin retarded who said anything about dillinger... ur all wrong they are "math metal"..

I think you're all stupid, reading this shit is like seeing a hundred people fighting over which type of potato is the most potato-y and constantly 99 of them are crapping on about how every other type of potato is not very much like a potato.

OK, so ive been readin all of your comments, what the fuck are yall bitchin about, true hardcore people shouldnt be bitchin about how hardcore they are, they should be out at a good show watchin or kickin the heads off people. who cares if someone looks like a pussy for what they are wearing, at least they have music they like that impacts them. AND EVERYONE WHO IS TALKIN ABOUT HARDCORE DANCING. fUCK YOU, if you like it, then awesome, freakin go outside and pucnh the ground for awhile, but dont even give these bitching kids the time of day, and if you dont like the dancing then go to a show and start dancing however you want...Fuck everysingle one of you, its fucking music, and you kno why there is hardcore music, cause not everyone likes all that other crap out there. so fuckin listen to what makes you feel staight, and talk about why that is and fuckin stop tellin each whos is better, cause once you start makin one genre of music out to be better than another than theres no point to listen to anything, you have your own thoughts, so embrace what you feel not what you want someone eles to know, fuck, im not the president of hardcore but shit, you kids need to get a life.......remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but most of them stink

What about Green Day? Long live the harDCore kINgs!! I'm so metal I wrap my face in other people faces after I hardcore dance them off! You can't touch this! Please MC Hammer don't hurt 'em cuz I will fight anyone that says shit about my main man Vanilla "hardcore" grind ICe

Dude, that's totally weak and gay and stuff or whatever. MC Hammer is not HxC, he's at most grind-thrash-emo-core, secondly, gays are not HxC except in explicit sex videos, and D). the only bad thing about hardcore dancing is that I can only kick with BOTH my legs!!!!!!!! Long live Minor Threaten!! and the Black flags!!!

I only read like 5 emails in this site and all I have to say is GO BACK UP AND READ comment 108 by apples4retards, thats as much info as you to know, have fun.

I notice how almost every single comment against the Xcore has the word gay in it. Its really funny if you sit back and think about it.

But any who, why do people have to pick on Hardcore? Is it because you don't like standing on the outside of the circle and getting punched or kicked by accident? Cause if so, there is a really easy way to stop that, don't stand in the circle. And what else I don't get, is why do people say hardcore is for people that want to be individuals but they end up looking the same? They don't look the same, they just dress alike or get similar hair cuts. Why don't you yell at punks or emo kids or even preppy kids? they're just like that. Hardcore is a Family, every hardcore kid should be looking out for every other hardcore kid. I still don't understand why Hardcore is getting all the shit though. I mean yeah its true that the scene is being "invaded" by Mallmetal kids with they're A7X shirts, and they're girl pants, with X's on they're hands shouting about Straight Edge with out caffine. We can still be Hardcore, we just have to go super underground. I still strongly believe that Xcore will return to what it once was. And who cares what the music is like, its not just about dancing, or music, or the breakdowns. Its about sticking together through thick and thin, being tougher then the rest. Standing your ground and haveing as much fun as you can at shows. Theres very few people like that anymore.

LONG LIVE THE x717x XpaX don't fuck.

I would like to say that for the last 13 and one half years of my life I was punk loved it lived it and listened to it then 3 weeks ago I went to a Bury Your Dead show at chain reaction and now Im into bolth you dont know what the hell your talking about till you accidently kick someone in the back and keep going just to get knocked flat on your ass by another ass hole its friggen awsome so shut the hell up and get in a pit why the hell do you have to attack peoples music anywayz shut the hell up and mind your own damn buisness

ya, i like all the ideas being throw around, specially post 108. i went to a throwdown, and remembering never show, and I stood up front and got kicked in the head and owned by stage divers. and ill tell ya, being there with 2 of my good friends, singing along to the music was one of the most fun times in my life....

ps: someone landed on me and my head hit the corner of the center floor monitor, haha its all good

hardcore dancings the shit an so is theow down im not edge but im drug free i don c the point an climing xxx but i got alot of good friends that are...going to a dillinger concert soon in ky!!

throwdown

now thats a list of fucken bands!!!->as i lay dying, sworn enemy, agony scene, yesterdays rising, senses fail, atreyu, from first to last, 3 inches of blood, a life once lost, at the drive in, all that remains, anam cara, china white, bane, at the gates, haste the day, winter solstice, bad brains, between the buried and me, rudimentary peni, saosin, bleeding through, seventh star, silverstein, underoath, alexisonfire...

Right, basically, i didnt bother reading every post, i got tired quickly after reading the crap written in most of them.
If you wanna talk about hardcore then read this -
http://www.geocities.com/SidSludge/NYHC_History.html(16/9/05)
then come back and say something.

Dear God,its a Nerfwar holocaust!
Fucking flamers.

Here it is, yall are bitchin basically about who your favorite bands are and other bullshit. Listen this is more than just a fucking band poll it's a lifestyle like it or not. You guys are missing the point.

YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO LIFE

you all are fatty fats. hardcore is one word. slipknot. Norma jean, Comeback Kid, throwdown, they're all possers. I'm hardcore to the max cause i wear my slipknot shirt everyday. And moshing is the best way to prove my hxcness, not dancing like gays.

idiots thinking metalcore is hardcore...i hate it.

middle schoolers listen to as i lay dying and thier pointless lyrics about love and heartbreak..

white trash pieces of shit like me that have more morals then money..listen to kids like us, donnybrook and blood for blood.

I wasn't aware that kids were so anti-tobacco nowadays.

godamn, all of you bitches are sitting here talking shit about music....WUT THE FUCK?!!! ive never underfuckingstood how the hell ppl can sit and talk shit to other ppl for listening to the stuff they do...or as it started, dissin on, ninja dancing, skanking, moshing whatever you do...who the fuck cares, mainly in the music scene you would think ppl could just accept everyone, i mean honestly its the most pointless arguement ever, nobody is ganna fucking win, everyone has their own opinion as for me, i just fucking love metal, i listen to a shit load of stuff but seriously, to each their own, every band that can create music that makes somone else feel somthing inside, deserves some respect, whether or not somone else thinks its talent, so shut the fuck up, quit whining, and start showing some respect for musicans muthafuckas!!!!!!!!
toodles

all of you guys are idiots hardcore has been around since the 80s and has offered many new things, pay attention andy, while the basic structure and i deals have remained unchanged (like any other lasting genre) the music has evolved greatly. compare minor threat or gorilla biscuits to bleeding through or comeback kid
im outie
steve t

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ok firstly dillenger escape plan are an original band some people call them hardcore some people call them mathcore it dont make i diffrence to me personally they are a tallented buch of guys, hatebreed yeah sure there ok but dont you think there abit samey in there songs? guys lets stop this bullshit argueing its all stupid i listen to hardcore, would you refere to me as a "hardcore kid" who the fuck cares, and sure i go in to a crowd of a about 30 to 50 ppl all going insane to some hardcore track (laying down spin kicks kartwheels backflips ect.) its all good fun and we all enjoy doing it, if its not for you dont bitch about it DONT FUCKING DO IT!
oh yeah

HARDCORE IS VERY MUCH ALIVE!

Topic Started Feb.21.2003

and It's still goin'.

I'm lolin'...

one thing that you all are failing to realize that by definition, what made hxc what it was, is dead. there is no disputig that. there are still bands out there doing justice to it, but all of the bands who have exposure are some emo/metalcore shit. im not dissin it. some of it sounds good. but to call it hxc is a joke. all of these new albums are bitching about girls. personally girls arent that bad.

WOW....what a bunch of Hot Topic little shits..this is great...i'm sure like 90% of the people writing on this blog were listening to their Michael Jackson and Huey Lewis tapes back in 86. All this new shit on Fuse and Mtv is absolutely NOT true hardcore, but whatever..i'm a HC kid from back in the day going to CBs matinees and checking out shows to support the scene...have any of you fucks ever booked a show, or handed out flyers, or started a zine? Prolly not....bands like Minor Threat, Agnostic Front, Negative Approach paved the way for hardcore today..and now its just a bunch of jock kids running around or some fake ass crew like FSU beating everyone up...go out and support bands who are actually playing for the love of hardcore like Kill Your Idols and Awkward Thought...and by the way Hardcore IS a lifestyle..its not some t shirt or some tough guy tats, its a way of life, a mentality....even though i am not into "metal-core
' or whatever you label whores are calling it these day, i respect the music and the passion they have for it...well, i'm done ranting and raving, and i'm off to actually GO and see a hardcore show instead of pissing and whining about some dumb ass labels you clowns make up...DM$

How about we make a post about other types of music or something other than Harcore music, and go bitch about how we dont like their music and tell them we hate how they dance? For all you people here telling people that this kind of music/dance sucks, Stfu. Theres different kinds of music and danceing, u dont see us coming into country forums and telling you that square dancing sucks, and that we hate u all. If you dont like hxc or mosh pits and shit like that, good for you, you go listen to your music we will listen to ours, you dance to your music we will dance to ours. Yes you all have the right to express your opinion but give it a rest, it gets really old to read about 5 thousand forums about other people coming in and dissing hardcore danceing. Also, calling people names over the internet is lame. Have a nice day.

thats what im talkin about jon, you tell those whiners to shut their freakin mouths and stop bashing our music. get over it if you dont like it, your opinion on music is no better then mine so shut you fricken face. no one really cares what you think so just sit down and shut up.

JON/BEN: good points eloquently made, let's get back to the music.

Let me get this straight. Dancing around like a balerina is hardcore? HA! Fuck that lame ass gopher punching bullshit. Go listen to some real fuckin music. Jerry's Kids kick the shit out of fuckin Terror any day. It's a disgrace to the real hardcore bands when you say bands like Ringworm and bleeding through or any of that bullshit is in the same catagory as Minor Threat and SSD. 2 Steppings for little fairies anyways. Don't chew me out too bad bros, I don't have a Bane hoodie.

Ok, time to clear some shit up.

1st: This is a violent lifestyle, you dont like it, get the fuck out.

2nd: If you knew two shits about real a hardcore show, not an Avenged Sevenfold or Thrice or Eighteen Visions one, youd know that what a lot of you kids see as hardcore is completely wrong.

3rd: Hardcore is NOT dead, REAL harcore is still very much alive...and its not dying anytime soon either. Saosin - NOT HARDCORE, Atreyu - NOT HARDCORE, Bleeding Through - NOT HARDCORE, Killswitch Engaged - NOT HARDCORE...now im not saying these bands suck, they are just simply not hardcore.

I hate these fucking blog things, fighting with other kids over the internet and talking shit when nobody can really defend themselves...but this shit has become OUT OF CONTROL. Its music, its fun, its a lifestyle, its HARDCORE. If you dont like it, dont listen to it, dont go to the shows, dont associate with anybody who enjoys it and stay closed minded.

YEAH JOEY! harcore is a way of life i love! i love gearin up for ninja combat in the pits! its a fuckin blast! everyone needs to see BOSTON BEATDOWN VOL 1 & 2. then you'll know what hardcore is and what its about! you wanna say harcore is lame. say it to the true core kids and we will stop your bitch ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahhhhhh crapola! i mean STOMP YOU KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone who thinks hardcore dancing came from skanking is a complete idiot
get your history straight
i swear you kids must be what....14? maybe 15?
what do you know about hardcore

some people are just pussies cause they know that their asses will get kicked in a mosh. so pretty much sit downa and shut the fuck up.

fuck hardcore it licks my fucken nuts.

hardcore dancing is that shit

Esham is real hardcore, all you other people are fake.

basically all you fucks need to learn what hardcore is......itz deffinitely not sitting on a fuckin computer and drillin each other in the ass, now i do realize that by me posting this im being fuckin hypocritical, blah blah blah, but fuck, my point is well made. i think that this entire thing was started on "dancing". well allright, i dont know what to say to that other than YOU ARE ALL BITCHES FOR BASHING ON DANCING...DANCING? are you fuckin kidding me...haha... i know htat dancing surely isnt hardcore, but you shitfuckz need to grow up and like kwite a few people have said, UNIFY...the end....no no itz not. i believe we should be a mass of individuals, now if your intelligent enought to understand that, then you truly are ...intelligent , not really but ya, fuck

FUck everyone who thinks Hardcore is gay...

Id rather hardcore dance then Circle pit mosh or regular push mosh.

1) circle pitting looks like a bunch of Indians doing a pow wow around a fire in the middle of the pit..

2) moshing is gay, a bunch of 40 year old over weight men with Mohawks rubbing each other while moshing and bobbing their heads up and down pretending they are sucking dick...

3) HXC Dancing takes alot more, we have more guts then anyone... we get made fun of so much, people say they are going to kill us, and we have the guts to still dance.'

666) So all you Overweight nu metal fags can suck it... PS Slipknot is gay, same with Atreyu..

PS if you dont like Hardcore Danceing, then chances are you should not goto a hardcore show if you dont want to get hit..

FUCK ALL THIS ARGUING!!!! Hardcore is my favoritist. I hate you guys slitting hardcore intoi thousands of sub-genres! HARDCORE IS HARDCORE just have fun,enjoy the music, and SCREAM ALONG! Yeah , slamming in the pit is awesome and stuff, but in SA when people get kicked in the head we help them out! why must all hardcore fans fight amonst each other, we must DEFEND HARDCORE! (No i'm not a hippy, i just want everyone to enjoy what hardcor is!

Right, for a start.

Mosh isnt about hitting people, most of you have said it is. Yet it completely isnt.

The aim of hardcore "mosh" is to show your agression from the music in a circle area with other kids doing there thing.

as for hardcore dancing or the two step as you would call it, then its mainly a more agressive version of skanking first used at shows for minor threat, black flag and it carried on down the years.



none of you know shit about hardcore, its shocking to see that this scene is filled with wannabe kids who dont know shit.


As for me, im from the uk. London in fact and are style of mosh and dancing and enjoying the shows is different to other countrys


so please exscuse the fact if ive somewhere in my post said that you dont know shit about etcetc

Hardcore is a style of music, guys! I mean yes it affects the way you do things and how you dress, etc... but i can hardly say it's a lifestyle. Does it affect every moment of your waking life? No i didn't think so. It doesn't affect you in the way you talk, sleep, sit on the loo, eat, drink (unless ur straight edge). But anyway.......fish!!

yeh i agree. you guys should stop getting so worked up about it. its just personal taste in fashion and music and what do u care how they ance? dis u ever stop 2 thing that beyonce liek dancing looks lame and embarrasing? if i had the choice 2 hardcore dance or imitate britany or whatever the fuck her name is i would definantly choose hardcore dancing.

yeh i agree. you guys should stop getting so worked up about it. its just personal taste in fashion and music and what do u care how they dance? did u ever stop 2 thing that beyonce like dancing looks lame and embarrasing? if i had the choice 2 hardcore dance or imitate britany or whatever the fuck her name is i would definantly choose hardcore dancing.

(haha i fixed my typos)

dude...this has gone on for 3 years...

holy shit, 3 years, i only realized how bad shit is a few days ago...

get me a fucking tissue, you girls need to HARDen the fuk up, HARDcore not PUSSYcore

Hardcore dancing - and face it, it's true - is the wussiest thing in the existence of mankind. Since when was flailing your arms and legs about considered "rough"? It's lame. The only person a hardcore kid hits while doing it is an 'innocent' bystander who gets in the way. You're not directing your punches or kicks, you're just ensuring nobody comes near you. I find it funny how when I punch a hardcore dancer in the face they start moaning at me, but stop dancing for the rest of the night, run away or in two cases, actually start CRYING and asking why life hates them. I think that backs up my view of most hardcore dancers really being wimps. I mean, christ, they're annorexic anyway.

tch. tch. such language!! how about some editing? or banishment!

Ive read a few of the comments on this thread.
and really I take my hardcore pretty serious.
I hardcore dance although being the only girl in the pit the guys do tend to throw fists my way.
Maybe cos Im better than them. But for all the little cunts who try and bust in, thinking they are so fucking hard, they two step for half a minute and they are knackered and fuck off back into the crowd.
thing is, if you dont want to get hit, being a dancer or someone in the crowd. dont stand near the fucking pit. its fucking simple. i had some cunt giving me so much shit cos i hit his girlfriend. if they stand by the pit thats what happens.

we dont try and hit the onlookers on purpose.
if theyre gona stand there. theyre asking for it. daft cunts!!!

LOLzzzzzzz im totally D&Dcore>>>>

But yeah im at school reading this and it makes for a good laugh. I like music. I wear tight pants. I have a girlfriend. And all this stuff about emo kids lol. I bet more jock dick licks are mroe emo than kids that wear tight pants. I have naturally dark black hair and i put blonde in the front and back. I dont cry myself to sleep. I just go to shows and enjoy the music. Which is what we should all do. This arguing crap is fuckign stupid. Enjoi the scene.

mmm i liked that comment above mine :) i like it when people explain that not everyone who wheres tight pants is a stereotypical "emo" and truthfully ihavent met any stereotypical "emo"s :) btw i wear tight pants too and get plenty of shit for being emo and a fag oh well :) thats why iv got my ipod, to tone em out

ya yo i rock a blaza on 18s sun fo show and in xcore off the scale sun WORD

I WEAR TIGHT pants but my old friend wears his mothers ya u can see why he is my old friend . PS i got a low low sun rolling 18s sun ya sun ya sun bagged sun ya sun.

I think Dustin just proved hardcore was dead.

It's fun going to show's not looking like a scenester at all. In fact, go as the anti scenester if ya think the crowd can handle it. You find out quick what people are really there for the music and which ones are there for the scene. The ones that don't want to be 'seen' with you are the ones there for the scene.

what do I know though. I just sang in a hardcore band about 10 years ago.

how about u all shut up because hardcore is tha best and everyone who disagree's is scared
HARDCORE 4 LYFE
stop whinning and shut up

yall needa shut tha fuck up soundz like yall going soft yall dont want any of us to think that now would you.....yall wannabes and busterz dont know what hardcore is until you feel it! not when you lie about breaking window thats not gangsta or hardcore you guyz dont know the meaning of "hardcore" if you think your livin it well guess whut ur not theres always someone way more hard then you...

something tells me most of these individuals never even heard of Negative Approach


anyways...Hardcore and Punk is dead...and both have been dead since it went to the white upper/middle class suburbs...you see,Punk and Hardcore used to be a release of stress and energy for kids that were kicked around their whole life,Oppressed and never really got a break. kids were able to go to a show ,and meet people they can relate to ,and and feel good about themselves.there was strong DIY ideals as well as sense of being free from this bullshit ratrace we call life,also the unity was strong, but nowadays however,i see no unity or ideals at all,just a bunch of fucking Bratty,Spoiled,Overpriviledged Suburban Nerds that never had it bad growing up and in all reality have really nothing to be pissed off about,coming on to message boards to bicker,fight at shows,Trying to "outscene" each other at shows, making snide and snobby remarks to people not "scene,Fashionable,or tough Enough",you kids are all fashion and no ideals , you're nothing special,all just a bunch of whiny spoiled fucking cunts that rant on about things i've heard a million times.and please kids spare me the "come to a show and say that to my Face,I'll Spinkick you in the Head" reply,i've been supporting a scene for years..and i've come across alot bigger and tougher assholes than you,and unlike most of you trustfund babies these guys can back up what they say without their friends.so anything you got to say,i've probably heard already...

Hardcore is awesome dudes, Im talking the best stuff... though. Im not sure about idiots talking about slipknow or dillinger (I like dillinger though but that is like math metal or progressive grindcore or something)... but bands like Comeback Kid, Naiad, No Choice In This Matter, Edzweck, FC Five, Mihai Edrisch, Modern Life Is War, xLooking Forwardx, and even ones that don't quite fit but still rule, like Nitro Mega Prayer are all really good. Plus, there is a ton of creativity in hardcore, whether it is eastcoast or westcoast sound too... bands like stick to your guns, blacklisted, etc and stuff are way awesome. Later... and hardcore will never die!

real metalcore band: parkway drive

alright hardcore is for fuckin tight jeaned no balled talentless homo erotic fuckfaces. metal ownes, its always been around and always will. hardcore is nothing but a stupid trend and way to bitch and whine about your life and family and friends and how imperfect it is and how hard you have it when ur just the same as the rest of those air punching douche bags

alright you guys, im going to give you the real definition of hardcore. hardcore started way way back before all these other bands were even started and before you were born in 1976, bands of this genre included, black flag, bad brains, misfits(although most would call horror punk)and many other underground bands, then durring the 80's bands like minor threat, fugzi, and rites of spring began to create a new kind of hardcore very simular to the earlier hardcore groups, as i side not i would like to point out that thrash was influenced by hardcore, metalica even admited to having the misfits as an influence, but i will say not to piss of you trash fans kill em all was a very good album now anywho, in 1992 a band called refused started there quest to make hardcore a new force to be recond with they made hardcore more complex and later gave it more of a post-hardcore sound, although this will hurt all you hatebreed fans all hatebreed did was take a small amount of hardcore and anded shitty ass metal to it,now a days hardcore is sadly and slowly dying, metalcore is begining to take control which isnt really a bad thing but an aquiered taste bands like throwdown, bleeing through, as i lay dying, and atreyu are becomeing more popular, so thank you for your time, oh and by the way who ever made those homophobic comments about ska fans your a fucking prick and if you said something like that at a real hardcore show you'd get your ass fucking stomped ska's not that bad its just not hardcore.

That logo is not even the punk "hardcore" one.
That one is the techno "harcore".
NOOBS.