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Bush-nominated candidate for the Supreme Court, Samuel A. Alito, Jr. apparently agrees that Christian students should be able to speak out against homosexuality, at least in State College, PA.

In an opinion filed February 14, 2001 with the US Court of Appeals, Third Circuit striking down a school district anti-harassment policy, Saxe v. State College Area School District, Judge Samuel A. Alito, Jr. agreed with the right of the appellants in the case, two unnamed students at State College School District, State College, PA., and Mr. David W. Saxe, a member of the Pennsylvania State Board of Education and legal guardian of both student-plaintiffs.

The plaintiffs were represented by lawyers for the American Family Association which is described thus: “American Family Association exists to motivate and equip citizens to change the culture to reflect Biblical truth and traditional family values.”

The crux of the case was described:

    “Plaintiffs openly and sincerely identify themselves as Christians. They believe, and their religion teaches, that homosexuality is a sin. Plaintiffs further believe that they have a right to speak out about the sinful nature and harmful effects of homosexuality. Plaintiffs also feel compelled by their religion to speak out on other topics, especially moral issues.”

I guess God does hate gays.

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  • Sean

    Good for Judge Alito. Not because he is a homophobe, but because he believes in the first amendment.

  • http://www.filteringcraig.com Craig Lyndall

    Come on now… when a judge supports the rights of the KKK is (s)he a hood-wearing member of the Klan?

    I am not saying that I know anything about Alito, but this is certainly not what I would consider good evidence.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Ok, let me get this straight. Alito would be bad on the Supreme Court because he supports the 1st Amendment? I would think that would be a fundamental qualification for the job.

    Dave

  • mark

    I agree with everyone else here I dont understand anything your saying???? All I know is that you dont like Bush so therefore you try to find anything you can to bash him with. And Im sorry buddy but the twisting of the facts here just doesnt work for you! You just dont have a case. Sorry! You might want to take this off your blog because Im sure Im not the last one that is totally going to disagree with you and trust me I am no hardcore Bush supporter only those on the extreme Left are going to agree with you on this one and that is only because they are just like you.

  • http://babylonandon.blogspot.com wayne

    I really love the typically stupid “I guess God does hate gays” comment. Neal you have just proved again that fools exist on the left as well as the right. Not to mention another shining example about how ignorant so many of you on your side are of us.

    A little education: God does NOT hate gays. God loves gays. God loves Osama bin Laden, David Duke, little children, and even Hillary Clinton. Only people hate other people.

    God hates their sins. This is a huge difference. God hates lying, sex outside of marriage, stealing, disrespectful actions, anything that we do that causes harm to eachother and (especially harm to children) and he hates being cursed at. But He does not hate anyone. As a matter of fact he grieves for us. Every sin brings him to anguish and the totally of all of the grief we give him is unimaginable.

    That was why he sent Himself down as the person of Jesus to be slaughtered for our sins. Only the death of Himself was enough of a punishment for the multitude of the evils we have done to Him since He created us.

    He accepted responsibilty for His creation and the only thing we have to do to be saved is to accept his sacrifice and to try to understand Him and how he wants us to treat eachother. Not much of a price from our perspective, really. the most important part of that “treating eachother thing” is in not hating someone for what they do, but just hating their actions.

    Yes, Neal, one of the problems here is Christians are often hypocrites. They are human and humans are evil. They/we struggle against hypocracy and our own sins constantly. The difference is that we try to be aware of our evils and avoid them and to take strength from the Love of Him who saved us.

    In the case to which you are referring, all that the judge was saying was that these folks had the right to say why they think homosexuality was wrong. Its called free speech and the left doesn’t have a monopoly on it. We too have a God-given and Constitutionally-mandated right to disagree demonstrably and in public.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I have to say that if this is going to be the line of attack the extremist left uses on Alito then we might as well just skip the confirmation hearing and put him on the bench now.

    Dave

  • Nancy

    Calm down, Mark: no one here has said anything about Bush. They’ve been commenting on Alito.

    At this point, I don’t know what I’d like to see in the new SC member. I sure don’t want anyone who’s going to rule that government at any level can confiscate private property to give it to their rich developer buddies! From what (little, admittedly) I’ve read, Alito is pretty strict about sticking to basics & not inserting his personal agendas, OR taking orders from either the WH or anyone else. But as I’ve said, I haven’t heard much about him, yet. I’m sure we all will before this is over.

  • http://michael@aedconline.com Michael

    How about a moderate on the bench for the american people?

    If this pick is making conservative and the christian coalition, it is completely against what I believe America is. Yet, since the President won, he is only responsible for making this small group happy.

    How about a pro-choice homophobe that is a staunch supporter of civil rights and guns.

    Or at least someone who makes up their mind as the case is before them, not someone who we already know what side of the fence they are on. They are judges, which I believe comes from judgement, which allows you to look at both sides and make a decision.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    >>How about a moderate on the bench for the american people?<<

    The first Bush tried that and look how it turned out.

    Dave

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    Conservative judges are not the same as conservative politicians. States’ rights is really the only thing that binds them.

  • http://michael@aedconline.com Michael

    Dave,

    My historical political context goes back about 1994. What did the first bush try?

    Michael

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    Michael, I believe that Dave is referring to Justice Souter, who Bush nominated thinking he was a moderate-to-conservative swing vote and turned out to be steadfastly liberal.

    And Neal, much as I hate to admit it, the fact remains: hate speech is protected speech. I suspect that every SCOTUS justice would have voted that way.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    And I’ll call bullshit on anyone automatically labeling Christians saying that homosexuality is a sin as guilty of “hate speech.” Begin with the fact that most stuff labeled “hate speech” is totally legally protected. But get past that, and recognize that not everyone who disagrees with your behavior and lifestyle is automatically an evil “hater.”

    Don’t know much about this Alito guy yet a couple of hours after his selection, but if he had supported this suppression of free speech, I’d definitely be ready to go to the mattresses against him.

    Seriously Neal, are you even intending this as even a little bit of an argument AGAINST Alito?

  • gonzo marx

    so that means it ain’t “hate speech” and is covered under the First Amendment if someone speaks out that “born again christians” are pawns of the anti-christ and do the work of the demi-urge?

    if so, then i got no problems…the Equation balances and it’s all “free speech”….fine by me

    Excelsior!

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    Free speech isn’t free; it costs a buck-o-five.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Actually, Alito was right in his ruling. That being said, it is incumbent upon society at that point to accept or reject the premise handed down. When a Christian fundamentalist speaks out against anything that is classified as a “sin” it is done from the perspective of morality and religious belief. Therefore, any stance taken by a Christian isn’t hate. A Christian is doing it from the perspective of love through the teachings of their Lord, Jesus Christ. How can the adherence to religious beliefs be misconstrued as hate? Over 2,000 Americans have perished in the efforts to deliver Iraq from the oppression of Hussein and the Bath Party into the light of religious freedom and democracy. There’s a new bumper sticker making it’s way around Iraq: What Would Allah Do? It warms my heart to see people basking in the warmth and comfort of their religions. It so lessens the hate in the world.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Despite the sarcasm, Silas. Even you agree that every whacko has the right to express his lunacy publicly so we an judge him on it. Whether he’s right or left and whether he’s christian or atheist or pagan, the constitution guarantees the right of free speech – even unpopular speech. Actions on the other hand, can be judged. So when the preacher tells his congregation to go out and kill gays, then we lock him up.

    dave

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    so that means it ain’t “hate speech” and is covered under the First Amendment if someone speaks out that “born again christians” are pawns of the anti-christ and do the work of the demi-urge?

    It’s covered under the First Amendment even if it IS “hate speech.”

    Anti-semitism too.

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    Even you agree that every whacko has the right to express his lunacy publicly so we an judge him on it.

    Personally, I PREFER to have them express their lunacy publicly. Why work so hard to demonize and discredit whackos when you can just sit back and let them demonize and discredit themselves?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Good point, MJW. I believe that “born-again” Christians are working for the anti-Christ and are the harbingers of the Apostacy. I am blessed to live in a country where the protections of the First Ammendment give me the right to express that view in public even if I don’t really believe it. If I were asked to make the same statement under the penalty of perjury, I would probably refuse. So help me God.

  • steve

    good. He should be anti-gay along with 7/8 of the american population. great choice dubyah!!!

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    Ya see? Who wants to censor Steve when we can just let him make such brilliant statements?

  • steve

    Michael…I am making the point that 7/8ths of the nation should not change their lifestyle because of a minority of gay americans. I dont believe in gay marriage…and I dont believe that they have the right to enjoy the same benefits as a rightfully married couple.

    I do believe in civil unions. They should recieve recognition of a relationship….but NO BENEFITS!! Otherwise, I am going to marry one of my good buddies to get tax breaks. when my old lady is ready to get married, Ill get divorced, get remarried and continue to pay less taxes!

    now do you see what I mean? even straight americans can work their way around the system.

  • http://fdelondras.blogspot.com Fiona de Londras

    Coming from outside of America I find it so difficult to understand how the First Amendment can be applied almost without limitaiton: no matter what you say you have the freedom to say it, even if it makes someone else’s life a misery! I’ve never understood it and never will: it’s so different to how the right to expression is usually applied in domestic law. HOWEVER that is the law of land in America and as an Appeals Judge Alito was forced to apply it. All this tells us is that he applies the law as is and in accordance with precedent. It doesn;t help us figure out how he’s likely to decide on gay rights in the Supreme Court

  • Dave Nalle

    >>Coming from outside of America I find it so difficult to understand how the First Amendment can be applied almost without limitaiton: no matter what you say you have the freedom to say it, even if it makes someone else’s life a misery!<<

    This is exactly why America isn’t Europe and why it should never become like Europe.

    Dave

  • http://fdelondras.blogspot.com Fiona de Londras

    Surely you can see that there are some aspects of European diplomacy (like…erm…DIPLOMACY) that America would do well to adopt?

  • Dave Nalle

    Would that be the cowardice of Germany, the self-serving greed of France, or the general incompetence and corruption of the EU as a body?

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    …I find it so difficult to understand how the First Amendment can be applied almost without limitaiton…

    There was a period of time after September 11, 2001 when the First Ammendment wasn’t invoked. The press and the political opposition capitulated to the Bush Administration in the spirit of patriotism. Blindly following the political structure in power during a time of National crisis is not always the patriotic thing to do. People like Helen Thomas and Bill Maher were metaphorically burned at the stake for what turned out to be the truth. We Americans have a strange sense of entitlement, Ms. de Londras. Somehow, in the building of this great nation, we’ve lost sight of what it was that our ancestors were trying to achieve as they emigrated to our teeming shores. We look to that lamp held high by the Statue of Liberty as a beacon of hope. Those in power have turned the lamp so bright that we’ve been forced to close our eyes.

  • http://fdelondras.blogspot.com Fiona de Londras

    Dave – ok, you’re obviously a Europhobe and we’re not going to agree so I’m not even going to get into a ‘debate’ where schoolboy slurs are thrown around at countries and supranational institutions…it hardly constitutes reasoned argument

    Silas – that’s one of the most beautifully expressed sentiments I’ve read about how the values and wonder of America is being buried under government-induced fear and unnecessary limitations on freedoms. I presume you are American, and if you are then you give me hope

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Yes, I am American. And, more importantly, I haven’t lost hope in America’s potential. Your resistance to lose all faith in America proves to me that not all is lost.

  • Nancy

    Fiona, you’re entirely right: America, Americans, and US law can be (to paraphrase Dickens) an ass. Perhaps a little less arrogance on our part – and a whole lot more willingness to not presuppose we’re the best thing since sliced bread – would help us get along in the world instead of alienating the rest of it? Just because Smirk is an arrogant asshole doesn’t mean we all have to be that way.

  • http://blogcritics.org/mt/tb/38804 jeff wasn’t here

    Judge Alito walks funny are you sure he straight ?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    He has to be straight. No self-respecting gay man would dress the way he does. Now the new Chief Justice, well, Mary, that is a whole other story.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Are you inferring that you think Roberts is gay???

    I highly doubt that he is gay:

    1) Great wife, and he has kids that he is proud of.

    2) He is a really smart and educated man.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Where have you been, Anthony? Everyone thinks Roberts is gay. His wife is a beard, his kids are adopted, and he’s as fussy and meticulous as a cat.

    Dave

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Oh, I get it. Because the man is well dressed and takes pride in his personal appearence and grooming he is gay.

    I think that is stereotypical and wrong you prejudice stereotyping bastards.

  • Bennett

    ahahahahahahahahahahahaha…..

    weeping…

  • http://bitm.blogspot.com MazeBorn

    I read that Neal was gay, so it must be so… Really, people, I don’t care who this new guy hates, as long as he respects (loves) the Constitution!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Because the man is well dressed and takes pride in his personal appearence and grooming he is gay.

    He also gets photographed with food presentations. There’s nothing wrong with a well-groomed and dressed man. But, in America, most of them are g-a-y.

    I think that is stereotypical and wrong you prejudice stereotyping bastards.

    That’s the curtain calling the blinds chartreuse, Antonia.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “But, in America, most of them are g-a-y.”

    I have to disagree

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Are you saying most gay men are not well-groomed and dressed? Don’t they teach anything in schools any more?

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    When “Metrosexual” is a fashion movement, it is a nod to the stereotype Dave cites, Anthony. In other words, “he’s so well-groomed, it’s amazing he’s straight!”

    Not that I believe Justice Roberts is gay – I agree with a comment someone made a couple-three back. I don’t care who/what either man sleeps with, as long as he doesn’t di*k around with the Constitution!

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    I highly doubt that he is gay…

    2) He is a really smart and educated man.

    I wasn’t aware that there was a correlation between heterosexuality, intelligence, and level of education. Huh. Live and learn.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, MJW, a dude’s gotta be pretty dumb to be gay. Seriously, if this was a choice, I hardly think that we intelligent gays would have made the choice to be on this side of the fence. We’ve talked about this on many threads so I won’t bore you.

    I also don’t care where Justice Roberts falls on the Kinsey scale. As long as he does a good job and approaches the discharge of his duties fairly, that’s all I can ask for. If he ever were to hop the fence and become single, I’d definitely ask him out on a date. After all, he’s good looking, educated and an attorney! What mother wouldn’t want that for her son?

  • Anthony Grande

    What I meant was that to be gay means that you have a mental block. Smart intelligient people usually aren’t gay.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Coming from you, AG, makes me realize that we, indeed, are quite intelligent.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Silas, Silas, Silas can you tell me why that there are not gays holding any offices????

    Can you tell me why you never see any self made multi millionaire Gays????

    Oh, and my favorite, how come Gays aren’t smart enough to have a Gay version of Martin Luther King???

    How come you gays don’t have a strong leader who stands up for you so-called “deprived rights???”

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Holding any offices? You are kidding, right? The mayor of Providence, RI is openly gay. There are several state legislators throughout this country who are openly gay. Then there’s Barney Frank in COngress. There are a few others in Congress that I won’t mention because they are terrified of being outted.

    Self-made gay multi-millionaires? Anthony, do your homework. Oh, come to think of it, you’re still in high school, aren’t you? That explains so much. Go back to your books and work on getting that high school diploma, dude.

  • Louis E.

    Hmm,this page is the only hit that comes up searching Google for “pro-choice homophobe”.Since by all indications most Americans believe that abortion should be legal and homosexual relationships should not be treated as if they were of as much worth to society as heterosexual ones (and the pro-homosexual lobby brands anyone making any criticism of homosexuality whatsoever a “homophobe”) that’s surprising.