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Air America Radio, just a year and a half old, is poised to grab the top spot in talk-radio for the Portland, Oregon market. Many pundits wrote off the liberal talk-radio enterprise shortly after its inception, but in the last year AAR has grown from 16 stations to 70, and in Portland, it has relegated Sean Hannity's radio station to near the bottom of the trash heap. In this particular market AAR is moving up so fast in the ratings it is likely they have already captured the top-spot from the plummeting Rush Limbaugh, as this article is being written.

The spring Arbitron ratings show that KPOJ (620 AM), which carries the upstart Air America Network with Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, and others, has rocketed to the number 5 radio station overall and is the number two talk station in the market, nearly in a dead heat with KEX-AM, the station carrying Rush "Oxycontin" Limbaugh.

Previously KPOJ had been airing golden oldies, drawing a 1 percent share. In the last quarter the AAR affiliate has gained 37% to capture a 4.5 share. In the same 3 months, Limbaugh's station has dropped 7.5% to a 5.0 share. Currently they are in a struggle for number 1 talk station in this market –a battle the sinking Limbaugh is poised to lose to the new station.

Meanwhile KPAM-AM, the station that carries Sean "Chickenhawk" Hannity is in free-fall, losing 22% in the last three months –down to a 1.8 share, registering only a slightly larger audience than Spanish language talk.

Consequently, it looks like many of the pundits were wrong when they made wild claims like "Air America would not be around to see its first birthday", or "nobody listens to Air America", or "left-wing talk radio is not entertaining". On the contrary, many of their shows are extremely entertaining and they are building a fan base across the country. In some markets they are taking off faster than in others, but in this particular market they seem destined to take over the top spot. In the words of Dick Cheney, it will probably be "weeks, not months or years," before Rush Limbaugh too is relegated to the bottom of the trash heap in Portland, Oregon.

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About Balletshooz

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Replacing an oldies station is kind of a specious pretext for filing this under Music, shooz…

  • Balletshooz

    Where should it be Dr. Pat? Politics? It is a piece about RADIO? I dont really mind where it goes, but the piece is more about talk-radio than anything else.

  • Eric Olsen

    Radio goes under “Culture,” and “Culture: Media”

  • fred

    What a moronic topic for a blog! One AM radio station in ONE market out of over 200 ADI markets in this country and you are acting as if this is a major breakthrough for Air America. What a joke.

    The only reason Air America is still alive is that George Soros keeps writing the checks.

  • Balletshooz

    OK, thanks. Fred, have a link for that wild and unfounded statement? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Perhaps they’re still thinking of the NewsMax piece from last year: Soros Might Bail Out Air America

    Bush-hater billionaire George Soros says he might bail out the ailing Air America radio network.

    The Chicago Tribune quoted Soros as saying he was considering the venture but had yet to make any commitments.

    “I am looking at it, but I can’t say where we are on it,” he said. “People have begged me to buy media, but I have resisted it.”

    He says he likes the network’s programming. And at the urging of former President Bill Clinton, he has been asked to help bail the network out of its financial troubles.

    But he said he wouldn’t write a check without expecting a measurable return for his money. So far the network has shed stations and personnel, mostly because it has hemorrhaged money and is gaining slight market share ever so slowly.

  • Balletshooz

    Good old Soros, he sounds like he may be turning into a Republican. He wont give money unless he gets a return?

    Well, this is from last year, and if he actually did it id think Newsmax would have said something.

    Anyways, conservatives always go up in arms when I write something about AAR. Im not quite sure why. Fred doesnt like me writing about something no one on the planet has written yet, but he dont seem to mind the 10,000 identical blogs about the non-story of how AAR took a bad loan last year from some guy that worked there for a week and almost bankrupted them in the first month.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    I must admit that Air America is growing on me. I didn’t enjoy it that much ar first, but Rhodes and Schultz are very solid and improving over time. The Majority Report is often a bit shrill for my taste… although it’s funny to hear Garfolo absolutely melt down on the air… which I’ve heard a few times already.

    Ballet — Your reports might be a bit more effective if you drop the comedic nicknames and keep it more on the straight / analytical tip.

  • Balletshooz

    Eric B, You are right but if I dont trash Rush, then conservatives won’t bother coming here and arguing with me.

    I agree, AAR last year was more unprofessional, they have improved alot. Garofolo actually is quite perfect for my taste, sort of like a liberal Limbaugh.

    The latest news is Thomm Hartmann is going national for them, I think replacing Franken in some areas.

    I have not heard him yet, but alot of people say he is more calm and really on top of the issues.

  • fred

    why would I have sour grapes over the knowledge that Sean Hannity has 13+mil audience and Air America has what? Where are the numbers for Air America? Fact is, they really don’t exist. You don’t do to well in only 42 markets.

    audit

    FReepLink

    Where’s Al Franken on this list? Liberals suck on the radio as they do in politics.

  • fred

    hey ballet, don’t flatter yourself into thinking you’re scooping the world. You’re not that smart or insightful even for a liberal hack. The reason why no one else is writing about it is that the success of one piss ant radio station (out of 1200+ in the US) isn’t newsworthy.

  • Balletshooz

    Good one fred, cite stats from before AAR existed. I guess you are right they didnt exist in the stats you cited because that was from last year before they existed.

    If you think they dont exist tell that to Potland’s people because they are about to be #1 there. Soros’ fictional checks are why they still exist, not the fact they are #1. Sure Fred. Keep dreaming.

  • billy

    the success of one piss ant radio station (out of 1200+ in the US) isn’t newsworthy.

    And the bad loan they took last year, which Michelle Malkin has dedicated her life to is newsworthy?

    Heres a scoop, the reason the MSM hasnt picked that one up is because it is NOT newsworthey, despite 10000 obsessed conservatives salivating over it.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Jesus, Balletshooz. Do I have to go get the numbers and prove you wrong again? I was hoping you’d have given up on this suicidal crusade again, but apparently you’re a masochist.

    Dave

  • Balletshooz

    BRING IT ON DAVE!! Ill make you ear your words just like I did last time. This time, dont include Potland, with Kalamazoo Michigan and a subset of Warren Ohio, and stick to the facts at hand, OK?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Since those cities aren’t directly adjacent with overlapping listening areas that won’t be an issue here. Do you not realize that if you keep cherrypicking your data and presenting only what supports your position you will always be proven wrong on these ridiculous posts?

    Here goes.

    KPOJ is the Air America Station
    KPAM is the Conservative talk station you compare it to
    KEX is the larger conservative talk station you completely ignore
    KXL is the other large conservative talk station you completely ignore
    KOTK is the liberal talk radio station which went out of business
    KCMD is the brand new comedy talk station.

    Here are their ratings
    KPOJ 4.0 3.7 3.3 4.5
    KPAM 1.4 2.2 2.3 1.8
    KEX 4.4 5.6 5.4 5.0
    KXL 3.5 4.7 3.9 4.0
    KOTK 1.2 .9 .7 0
    KCMD 0 0 .7 .7
    S04 F04 W05 S05

    Liberal Talk Radio 5.2 4.6 4.0 4.5
    Conservative Talk 9.4 13.5 11.6 12.8

    Now, as a rule we’ve established before, we ignore the fall spike or average it out because it was an election season. All talk radio spikes then. So for liberal talk we see a decline from 5.2 to 4.5 because not all of the KOTK listeners transferred to KPOJ. For conservative talk we see an overall increase from 9.4 to 12.8.

    So, rather than liberal talk being up, it’s actually down .7 share over the course of a year. And rather than being down, conservative talk is up by 3.4 share over that same period. Based on the numbers, it looks like KPOJ lost its .7 share directly to the new comedy format station.

    Here’s the point about your methodology. In this case you chose to compare the third largest conservative talk station with your Air America station and ignored the two stations which have conservative programs which are larger than your Air America station. Obviously the reason you chose the comparison you did is that you had to pick the only conservative station where ratings went down to get the result you were looking for. How you thought you could get away with that I can’t even imagine.

    Dave

  • Balletshooz

    Use your imagination Dave, Im sure you can figure it out.

    While you are at it, and I dont completely disagree with your analysis because it is on different grounds, but if you are going to throw everything into the pot, you might want to include the #1 talker in the area, Howard Stern. I think its fair to call him a liberal since he bashes Bush continually intermixed with strippers.

    Then see what the numbers show, I think he is like a 7.6, so it may actually be a dead heat. Anyways, I think the argument that AAR is dead, or as some conservatives have said on my blog “I guarantee they will be benkrupt by the end of the month” are a bit silly.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    There’s all kinds of ways to look at numbers. But I don’t think anyone can deny that Air America is sticking around and starting to build itself up — something many discounted in of itself.

  • fred

    of course, big money gains/losses is always newsworthy.

  • fred

    shoes, you are pathetic. Stern bashed Clinton, too, and is pro 2nd amendment and death penalty. He also is anti-Muslim, so he is not a liberal. Have you really listened to him closely for the last 20 years? I doubt it. Stern says anything on the air to get ratings.

  • Jim O’Rourke

    Hey this is great!!! I hope Franken is successful somewhere other than on the ‘left’ coast. For a while Liberals were self destructing at such an alarming rate that I thought they might go extinct. Not good…. we need them for comedic effect. Keep up the good work Al !!!

  • Balletshooz

    “He is not a liberal”

    He endorsed Kerry. Any more questions?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    Stern is a strong independent, and has backed a number of Republicans over the years — Giuliani, Pataki, Christie Todd Whitman, etc.

    He’s for effective government and doesn’t care where it comes from. I think he should be applauded for that.

  • billy

    For a while Liberals were self destructing at such an alarming rate that I thought they might go extinct.

    Amazing, I wonder how Bush only pulled off 50.8% of the vote and had to cheat in Ohio and Florida to get it?

  • fred

    proof that he cheated, or are you content to talk out your ass like the rest of your pals here?

  • billy

    thats like saying “proof that the earth is round”. if you are interested go look. you obviously arent. but republican cheating is well documented in the last 2 elections.

  • fred

    but we do have proof that the earth is round. We’ve taken pictures from space. So what’s your point? Don’t bother, the “documentation” you’re going to find is provided by sore losers in the Dumbocrat party who, sniff sniff, didn’t get their way, again. How does it feel to be aligned with a party of losers?

  • billy

    you should be able to tell me, you have had it for 100 years, i have only had it for 5. youll be on the losing end for the next 100 as well, so im sure you can let me know.

  • fred

    youll be on the losing end for the next 100 as well,

    You like to assert a lot of things that you can’t prove, don’t you?

  • Peter

    #1 in Portland? That’s like saying chocolate has finally taken over broccoli as the #1 food for fat people.

    It is obvious. Too bad the whole Air America Radio organization will more than likely be off air ue to financial issues in less than 1 year.

  • billy

    conservatives keep making dumber and dumber statements as this goes along. arent you the same person that guaranteed they would be bankrupt by the end of last month right before they opened up 8 new stations. reality hurts doesnt it?

  • http://lyle.typepad.com Lyle

    The latest news is Thomm Hartmann is going national for them

    Who’s “them”? I’m presuming you mean (KPOJ owner) Clear Channel, though it sounded like you meant Air America.

    If that’s the case, that’ll be big news as it’ll be the first time CC created a local show for its progtalk stations and took it national. (Another sign of confidence in the Prog Talk format.)

    I’m actually surprised a second Prog Talk station hasn’t popped up in Portland, considering the format’s success. I know that’s happened elsewhere — CC has done it in markets where a competitior signed Air America programming first.

  • balletshooz

    Yes, “them” means AAR, AAR is now syndicating additional shows on top of their 24/7 lineup and Hartmann is the first one. I dont know the full details but in my area (LA) I believe he will replace Al Franken, who by far is the most boring of all the shows on aar.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “Bush […] had to cheat in Ohio and Florida[…]”

    Got any numbers for that?

    ROTFL!

  • spidge

    KOTK was not a “liberal” talk station.

    It was a “hot talk” station, with somewhat of a shock-talk format aimed at men 18-34. It was not very political. Tom Leykis used to do a liberal political show ten years ago but has moved far away from that venue now.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    >>Use your imagination Dave, Im sure you can figure it out. < <

    Yep, it's pretty obvious that you're a willing shill for Air America puffing up their success regardless of what the actual truth is.

    >>While you are at it, and I dont completely disagree with your analysis because it is on different grounds, but if you are going to throw everything into the pot, you might want to include the #1 talker in the area, Howard Stern. I think its fair to call him a liberal since he bashes Bush continually intermixed with strippers. < <

    Stern is a libertarian/independent, and I did factor his station in.

    >>Then see what the numbers show, I think he is like a 7.6, so it may actually be a dead heat. Anyways, I think the argument that AAR is dead, or as some conservatives have said on my blog “I guarantee they will be benkrupt by the end of the month” are a bit silly.<<

    I’ve never said AAR was dead. Keep that in mind. I think it’s doing about as well as it could hope for until it gets better, more entertaining hosts, or goes with syndicating individual shows. I only object to your constant misrepresentation that it’s gaining ground while conservative talk is losing ground, when that’s clearly not the case anywhere.

    Dave

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    BTW, the really interesting news in talk radio is the surging popularity of latino talk, which is coming up much faster in more markets than AAR is.

    Dave

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Fred, to be fair, the data you’re linking to from FreeP and Talkers magazine is over a year old. It’s useless for assessing AAR ratings.

    Dave

  • pdx

    “Meanwhile KPAM-AM, the station that carries…Dr. “Its OK To Rape Your Wife” Laura, is in freefall…”

    A correction: KPAM does not carry Dr. Laura Schlessinger. Her program is on KEX. KPAM airs Laura Ingraham.

  • Sammy

    What are liberals and democrats for? What I have read here, and heard on AAF is a lot of bashing and negativity. Are they for anything besides bigger government, socialist programs, and weath redistribution? If they are, someone please tell us. None of your well known national faces do. Lately, the liberal voices have confirmed to me, that they shouldn’t be running much of anything, especially not anything related to National Security.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    As far as I can tell they’re not for anything. They’re just against a whole lot of things.

    Truthfully, they appear to be for some vague concepts like ‘social justice’, but when it comes to trying to pin them down the definitions of the things they support seem to change with the wind, and the one thing you can always get them to agree on is that they oppose whatever Republicans are for.

    Being the anti-whatever party has always been a terrible political move. Very hard to sell. And you can see the results of that in the fact that the seriously screwed up GOP is able to beat them in elections pretty regularly. People would rather vote for a corrupt party with a few positive ideas than a well-meaning party full of negativism, hate and no ideas.

    Dave

  • gregrocker

    Liberals are first for social justice, having led the civil rights movement against the vile racism of the same 700-pound right wingers who belch their bile here. Many liberals died to deliver the promises of the Bill or Rights to all of our citizens and, at every turn, they were met by the police dogs and sneering lynch-mob pukes like the same guys who can’t even stand to hear that their lying talk radio disinformation operation is being exposed by Air America Radio, which is leading the opposition to the worst President in the history of the world. Only 25-50 million of the dumbest fattest flat-earth redneck faith healers duped by talk radio liars for 15 years, could bring this country into the disrepute of the entire world (starting with our supposed allies, who hate Bush in the 80% range), could plunge us into a quagmire on the exact same piece of real estate that brought down the British Empire, could waste trillions on this and other fools errands in a deliberate effort to bankrupt the social compact the public won’t let them kill ooutright. WE are the true patriots, not phony lying hypocrites who smear the only successful President of our lifetime for doing what every one of his critics was caught doing worse, who contribute nothing to the betterment of society except more hatred and divisiveness. Whose response to a cretin President who let thousands of black people drown while he golfed and goofed, was to give him 75% approval, since killing black people to these pigs is good leadership. Its time to start standing up to these bullies and that is what Air America does every day, for better or worse. They are the leaders of the resistance, and an army is forming on the radio. Look out, righties: You are really out of shape!

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    gregrocker:

    You sound pretty full of hate yourself…

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    And full of misinformation since no one bothered to tell him that every major civil rights act has been passed primarily because of Republican support against Democratic opposition.

    Dave

  • Steve Voss

    I will keep it simple with an easy question. Why do liberals continue to do nothing but call people names? I do not understand how calling someone a fat head or an obese demon that should choke on his on vomet is in anyway, shape, form or fashion productive. It is o.k. to have a different opinion, viewpoint etc., but come on already, Air America is full of meaningless banter and name calling. I try to listen from time to time but the only usefull dialogue is during a commercial. Why?

  • RogerMDillion

    Try and stay on topic, Dave.

    Whenever balletshooz prematurely trumpets the ratings of Air America, every post he makes about them, you want to lump in all the stations together by subject, which has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

    Where in the article does it talk about the city of Portland having a bigger liberal audience than a conservative one?

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Comments 21 posits the liberal bent of the “left” coast first, although Coment 16 lays out some real comparable ratings numbers.

    There is a whole conversation here, not just the initial post, Roger.

  • RogerMDillion

    Dave’s numbers have nothing to do with the post, so his arguement is flawed because he’s comparing apples and oranges.

    If he wants to discuss the type of stations in the Portland area and their audience size, be my guest, but don’t think it does anything to contradict the original article, which compares one station to another.

    I’m still waiting for you to produce Fonda’s quotes about islamicfacism that you claimed were so prevalent in the media last month. How’s that coming along?

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    “As far as I can tell they’re not for anything. They’re just against a whole lot of things.”

    Sound like anyone we know?

    That is all.

  • billy

    BULLSHIT “As far as I can tell they’re not for anything. They’re just against a whole lot of things.”

    The entire GOP agenda is to roll back Democratic ideas.

    Heard of social security, medicare, voting rights, minimum wage, gas mileage requirements, park service, 40 hr work week, unions, civil rights.

    The entire GOP agenda is to rollback, provatize, or eliminate Democratic ideas.

    Hey GOP morons, if you dont know what Dem ideas are just look at your own “ideas”. they are defined solely by eliminating the Dem ideas.

    If you dont know Dem ideas, you dont know your own ideas. not to mention sounding totally ignorant.

  • red state

    Please excuse Billy folks, he ate more than his fair fair share of lead paint chips as a youngster.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>Whenever balletshooz prematurely trumpets the ratings of Air America, every post he makes about them, you want to lump in all the stations together by subject, which has nothing to do with the argument at hand.< <

    Roger, the point is that he ignores most of the stations. He cherrypicks the third largest conservative station and uses that for his comparison with Air America. It's not a valid comparison.

    >>Where in the article does it talk about the city of Portland having a bigger liberal audience than a conservative one?< <

    Nowhere. I didn't say that it does. What he says is that Air America listership is up, while conservative listenership is down, when in fact both are up, and conservative the conservative talk audience grew more than the AAR audience did.

    >>I’m still waiting for you to produce Fonda’s quotes about islamicfacism that you claimed were so prevalent in the media last month. How’s that coming along?<<

    Was this directed at me? I don’t recall ever discussing Jane Fonda with you or anyone else. She’s largely irrelevant in the modern era.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Just out of curiosity, Billy. Could you run down a few Democratic agenda items? I always get attacked when I do it, so perhaps you could do it in a nice positive way for us.

    Dave

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Lemme try, DN…

    – Canadian-style health care. Yes, the US will finally be able to say they have entered the 21st Century when cancer patients have to wait five months before being given their first round of chemo…at the taxpayer’s expense!

    – A “living wage” of 15 dollars per hour. Sure, it’s highly inflationary, and the economy will quickly re-adjust to circumstances and make a 15 dollar per hour job equal to what an 8 dollar an hour job was worth just a few months before. But the working classes will feel so empowered!

    – Retreat from Iraq. Yes, Leftists will truly be able to call Iraq “another Vietnam” after we leave prematurely and allow a quasi-democracy to devolve into civil war and despotism, all while giving the terrorists a great place to organize and train…

    – Unreformed Social Security. Yep, no changes will be made to the largest entitlement program in the country. And, in a few decades, the frderal government will be completely bankrupt. Hooray!

    – The Kyoto Treaty will be ratified. Sure, this will plunge the entire US economy into recession for decades, but at least we will have bought a few years against “global warming”!

  • RogerMDillion

    “What he says is that Air America listership is up, while conservative listenership is down,”

    I read the article again and suggest you do as well. Balletshooz says that KPOJ is up while KPAM is down in reference to Hannity in Portland. Where is there a mention of “conservative listenership” in its totality? He’s only comparing two stations. If Hannity is on another station, then that changes things, and I’ll cop to it.

    I will grant you that he mentions some numbers and percentages (a 7.5% change is neglible), but he makes no direct connection between the number changes and the stations because he knows there isn’t one. Dittoheads have not gone to listen to AA.

    The other comment was for DrPat who always ignores it because he couldn’t back up a claim he made weeks ago.

    Balletshooz, has AA “captured the top-spot from the plummeting Rush Limbaugh” in Portland since completing this article yet? You need two or three books to get a serious idea of how the numbers are averaging or even trending. Not even people on your side of the aisle are going to take your reports seriously. Your hyperbolic rhetoric is silly and premature. Also, you really should have picked a name that couldn’t be shortened to BS so easily.

  • billy

    post 52, D. Nalle, I wasnt attacking you, you were a surrogate to the previous post about “no ideas” which was quite brainless.

    i dont have to define much RJ proved my point.

    the entire life of a conservative is to fantasize about how they are going to kill a dem idea.

    the whole gop agenda is taking a democratic “idea” and destroying it.

    Social Security -made by dems, hated by GOP
    medicare-made by dems, hated by GOP
    parks system-made by dems, hated by GOP

    environment rules-made by dems, hated by GOP

    the list goes on and on.
    your lives are defined by cutting Dem ideas.

    if you dont know the Dem ideas, you dont know GOP ideas, because they are defined by what dems have done.

    the dems keeping in place the programs they created in the last 100 years is exactly the agenda i want them to have.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I’ll agree that this is more reigned in than his other posts, for which I might want to take credit, but will refrain.

    But the general thrust of his argument remains the same – that AAR is gaining ground and conservative talkers are losing it either individually or as a group. Whether he chooses to compare AAR’s whole lineup to one conservative host, or station ratings of selected stations to those of other selected stations, he’s still mostly just cherrypicking to make his unsupportable argument look valid. Taken in the context of the whole talk environment of the markets he focuses on the trend he identifies seems never to be correct.

    Not that AAR isn’t gaining listeners. Personally I think they’re getting them from NPR as the left becoems more and more polarized, but there are no ratings for NPR.

    IMO no one should be greeting AAR with happiness. It’s the same relentless partisanship most of the right talkers perpetrate, just with the ideology flipped. It’s not any better or more balanced.

    Dave

  • http://www.ryanclarkholiday.com ryan

    its not like seattle is one of the most liberal cities in the world or anything

  • MCH

    Re comment #54;
    “- Retreat from Iraq. Yes, Leftists will truly be able to call Iraq “another Vietnam” after we leave prematurely, blah, blah, blah, etc…”
    by Bobby (RJ) Elliott

    Um, Bobby, since you refuse to even try to enlist, would you also be considered a “Leftist”?

  • WTF

    Portland Oregon, that’s not a stretch. Why am I not surprised about that?

  • http://www.dailykos.com AlexinLA

    Ok, maybe I don’t get something, but:

    KPAM – 1.8
    KEX – 5.0
    KXL – 4.0
    ===========
    10.8

    Where did 12.8 come from?

    So, 9.4 to 10.8 for GOP radio
    And, 5.2 to 4.5 for DEM radio

    There…

    Oh, and “billy” gave a pretty good run down of the Dem agenda.

    Keep FDR’s New Deal intact (social safety net)
    Keep Progressive advances intact (regulation of the excesses of capitalism/robber barons)
    Add to that some modern things like increase health care opportunities to all.

    I would agree that the agenda could use some freshening up, but I like the old stuff myself.

    I understand that many think these historical Dem programs don’t help them. But I think they help the people I want helped, so I’m satisfied. Maybe we care about different types of people?

    And GOP people should know that people like Grover Norquist and Karl Rove are all about rolling back the programs from past historical eras, like the New Deal programs.

    Look, I get it. The GOP agenda is about helping business, which the DEMs also do, BTW, and “drowning” the Federal government. It is clear and somewhat attractive to a lot of people. I just don’t think these are great ideas.

  • Bob

    Unions? holy cow, I am from Detroit, look at the companies they have brought down. Almost all of the airlines, General Motors is about to go down, Delphi is down. Companies can no longer pay lifetime pensions for working 25 years. Our taxes will keep rising because we have to pay all the government workers life time pensions, police officers, fireman anybody who works for the government, city, state, federal. Ok 40 hours and overtime is great but don’t promise things you cant deliver. Oh and Unions are very very crooked, don’t let anybody tell you any different. France and Germany have all the things the liberals want in the U.S. and they have high unemployment and recesions and waiting for the U.S. to get them out of it.

  • Bob

    Update to last post, riots in Paris over no jobs and slum housing, yeah France has got it together, what a joke. Other news, top al quida leader caught today, what he had said in the past, this is good, “if only the planes that hit the twin towers had weapons of mass destruction in them, then there wouldn’t have been as many people to vote for Bush”. lol. They know the Democrats are weak, Go Bush!

    Anybody out there?

  • davemon

    After reading all this, all I will say on this one topic.

    Sure the Dems started Social Security, sadly they voted to give it to non citizens.

    Secondly, if the money taken out of my Fathers checks all his life were invested in the market, he’d have more than a million. Sure it goes up and down some. But damn better than the little $1,700 a month he gets, and then there’s nothing to pass on to me :(

    Davemon

  • LMAO

    This is funny. So, they may have been doing well in liberal loony land Portland, but this was before they filed for BANKRUPTCY!

    Oh, ya, they are still around. I think. Somewhere. Yeah, they must be right? Hmm. Wonder where you can find them.

    Meanwhile, Rush is still #1 nationally and Sean is still #2. Guess the free market (which Air America apparently can’t compete successfully in without help from some deep liberal pockets) hasn’t been too kind to AAR. Turns out that the free market WORKS!

    -LMAO!

  • Johnny On the Spot

    Look at it this way. Air America has filed for chapter 11. Now, here is the kicker: It’s only on about 60 or so markets…and I’m talking big ones too like #207 Santa Barbara, #126 Victor Valley, CA (where)?, #137 Palm Springs, don’t forget that huge city of Santa Fe coming in at #236. LOL About half the affiliates are located in towns that don’t even have a ranking they are so small. Forget NY and LA. Everyone has affiliats there. As of July 12th, Air America has lost bout 67 other affiliats. Rush is on in all 50 states and has upwards of about 620 stations. And according to ABC Radio Networks, Hannity just passed 500 stations. You Dems need to drop the cool aid and look at pure numbers. Sheesh.