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At the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked, "What have you wrought?"

He answered, "A Republic, if you can keep it."

In Washington and all across this country, we appear to be more concerned with resisting all change, rather than accepting any steps which would move us towards future prosperity. In this three-way tug of war among Democrats, Republicans, and the new apparition, the Tea Party, we are all losers.

As a vital leader on the world stage, America appears to be suffering from stage fright. We are afraid, and our resources are stretched so thin, that the slightest tip of the scales will surely send us into a final tailspin toward financial and moral bankruptcy. Everyone has the answer — and no one does. So, unless we open up to each other politically, in a way that has not existed since the first Constitutional Convention was held by our country's founders, then we might as well exit the stage now, for we are not playing our part.

Focus on this power struggle that promises to strangle all of us. The Democrats, who are split into two factions at the moment, are made up of the party's liberal base and the Blue Dogs who formed in 1994, after losing Congress. The reason given was that their party had shifted too far towards the left. So, these disgruntled  Democrats stood up against their more liberal colleagues. Is it any wonder then, why the party in power cannot get anything accomplished? They can't even move forward together with each other.

The Republicans are apparently still reeling from the election of Barack Obama to the office of the Presidency. The fact that they have become the "party of no," no change and no ideas either, tells it all. They have no ideas, that is, except for the two ideas obstruct and stall. These people have brought nothing to the table except their leftover Reganomics. Cutting taxes for the wealthy in hopes that by the goodness of their hearts it will trickle down on all of us has not worked. This economic meltdown has been moving toward us for 30 years, and now here we are.

Since the election of Scott Brown to the Senate seat formerly occupied by Ted Kennedy in Massachusetts, the Democratic lead of both houses has gone from 60 to 59; for a majority of the American people, this one vote is going to cost plenty.

The $787 billion stimulus package passed by Congress is not the final answer, but it could relieve the American people right now with unemployment, medical insurance relief, and end this economic fall. Helping our local governments with infrastructure such as roads and bridges, transit, and other areas is one solution that we should take a chance on right now. But, according to Moody’s Economy chief economist Mark Zandi, the package will likely be too small anyway and Congress should now revisit it. Of course, if the GOP has their way, we won’t see any of this come to fruition.

Finally, because we really have no other parties of any consequence, let’s look at the Tea Party and who is actually behind it. What is at the root of this new movement? Although there has been a lot of denial concerning who or what started The Tea Party movement, Freedom Works lobbyist Dick Army took some of the credit. It appears not to be just the grassroots anger of the American people, although it is made up by a lot of angry people; it  also looks to be an expression of the wish by some to hold on to the status quo. There is a big difference between professing to be fed up with your taxes and being prodded by a right wing power group to do so. Now, amongst all the hype and celebrity brought on by Sarah Palin, former Governor of Alaska and John McCain's one-time running mate in the 2008 presidential election, this party appears to be imploding.

No one group has all the answers here, and looking at the mess this country is in at the moment, no single group could. So,we better start working together now. Looking at the things we can agree on and using that as a starting point isn't an instant solution, but it is a step in the right direction.  America needs to change in order to grow, and whether we are frozen with fear or welcoming that change with open arms, what we need to do as a nation is figure out how to move forward.

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  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Jeannie: not feeling so well; will have to read this in the am, so I can concentrate.

  • republicanblack

    The tea party is nothing but prejudice republicans, not racist, but prejudice bigots. How do I know this, well the only support republicans for one,why does that matter, well they support Brown, a pro-choice, liberal, health care for all supporter, yet the tea party rejects a blue dog pro-life democrat like Nelson.

    See why the tea party hates Gov. Charlie Crist.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    republicanblack,

    I am so happy that you have read my article. I want you to know that I wrote this for all of us.

    There are people who wish to continue the politics of segregation and ignorance, and, all we can do is continue to write, fight, and believe that some day they will all open their eyes.

    I hold the utmost respect for you in my mind and heart, no matter what political beliefs you hold.

    Me? I’m an independent Liberal, who is very proud to be called an Obama Mama!

    Crist’s loyalty would be challenged in the form of a losing question on CNN, “Did you support the stimulus package?” Damned if he said he did, damned if he said he did not [Pan to picture, “Obama Embrace”]. Answer the question…

    Thank you for posting your comment and this link, RB. I haven’t gotten to the subject of the media…yet

    :]

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Here’s my prediction for Charlie Crist. When Marco Rubio wins the primary, Gov Crist will change parties and be a Democrat. If he really wants to advance his own ambitions, the next thing he can do is come out and tell us the truth about his “private” life. Upon doing so he will gain votes beyond his wildest dreams. You should have come clean sooner, Charlie. You would have been a national phenomenon difficult to beat. Truth in politics is a novel thing.

    Insofar as “working together”, Jeannie, it’s a noble endeavor; but, judging from the state of politics today — a futile attempt at returning to our roots.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Jeannie: It all depends on what kind of “change” you are talking about and many are wondering what Obama meant in regards to his statement “Obama: We are 5 days from FUNDAMENTALLY transforming America”.

    Now I won’t go conspiratorial on what that means beacause Sunstein would put me in jail; however, I will say that Obama has governed from the far left and he is very comfortable with the redistribution of wealth. So, when you say Republicans are the “party of NO,” you may want to add; NO to socialist ideas.

    I could go on, but still not feeling well and after my last thread I prefer not to get into a debate for a while. Just thought I’d give my two-cents on your article.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    We need to try and wake people up in this country!!!

    Now, I am going to post this silly list that I received this morning showing all of the backward-outdated-thinking schemes that are being attempted by the Tea Party.

    READ THIS

    Our country would look quite different if tea partiers were calling the shots:

    * National Tea Party Convention speaker and former Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo is calling for a return to segregation-era tactics “We do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote in this country,” he said. “People who could not even spell the word ‘vote’ or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House.”

    * Convention speaker Joseph Farah represented the “birther” wing of tea party nation: “My dream is that if Barack Obama even seeks re-election as president in 2012 that he won’t be able to go to any city … in America without seeing signs that ask, ‘Where’s the Birth Certificate?'” this ones old and tired!

    * Senate candidate Jane Norton of Colorado, in a full pander to the tea party movement, wants the Department of Education abolished, an idea so radical, even Newt Gingrich let it die.

    * In Florida, tea par tiers have catapulted extreme right-wing candidate Marco Rubio into the lead in the Republican primary.

    The last thing we need is a bunch of tea party types steering our country’s agenda. Progress depends on keeping them out of the Senate.

    The whole point of this article is to expose all of our flaws , so that we can correct them. Don’t give up the fight! It hasn’t even begun.

    I can see by the non-participation here at BC among some of the learned critics, that this article has hit home in more ways than one, but that’s just to bad…

    Please stay active, call your congress, your representatives, call the white house, and write articles calling for an end to these stupid games.

    :|| We should all be mad as hell, instead of on the take!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    Please let me say that your you-tube eccerpt only showed one sentence…That’s way out-of-context in my book! and who posted it?

    Socialism is only a word! and, it is a word they are trying to attach to Obama in-order to protect the status Quo.

    OBAMA IS NOT A SOCAILIST!!

    I thought you were an entrepreneur with a small business.

    Then, why are you protecting the top 10% percent that don’t give one iota if you succeed?

    They would rather own your product rather than have you profit from it!

    Please try to look at this from a different perspective..

    :] and I’m sorry about the hell I saw in that thread yesterday. I might have even added to it. Where is that Kathy now?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Well, I’ll be back when I have a reason to return…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I want to make this one last point to you Christine,

    Rolling back the tax cuts for the wealthy is not redistribution of wealth!

    It is returning to a fair and balanced tax structure.

    If we had never implemented Reaganomics in the first place then we wouldn’t be on the brink of bankruptcy now!

    :] see ya…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    A well-written article, Jeannie, perhaps the kind of things we need to hear,
    I see myself in it six-months ago, when I still believed. Today … I’m no longer certain.

    But there’s always hope.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    This was your comment from Joel’s “To Tea or Not to Tea.”

    When I hear about the Tea Party movement, I think of Ross Perot’s Reform Party. They’re both just a flash in the pan. In order for special interests to thrive they require a perpetuation of this lame two party system. People are pissed off. Concerned about the course we are taking as a nation. The underlying problem is that the majority of Americans are just too busy to realize that in our “busy-ness” we are neglecting our civic duty. So the Tea Party movement will steep a little longer and after the GOP makes gains in November it will fizzle away like the Reformers.

    The gridlock paralyzing our Federal Government is unacceptable. We need to come to terms with a simple premise – our political system in its present form is a complete failure. GOP = Grand Obstructionist Plan. They have made it their mission to cut Barack Obama off at the knees. If we are to facilitate real change we need to throw the incumbents out in November regardless of affiliation.

    Folks, each of us can make a difference in our respective Congressional Districts. We can choose to run on our own or we can encourage others to run who are outside the mainstream of Washington. We are not required to elect a Democrat or Republican. Let’s get creative. Throw in a few Communists, Socialists and Libertarians. Vermont did it with Bernie Sanders. Joe Lieberman did it on his own (even though he should be ridden out of DC on a high speed train.) Without a political cataclysm in 2010, we might as well hang it up and join a new world government. We have the power — the question is do we have the time?

    :] I hope you don’t mind me placing it in this thread, but it really needs to be here.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    Folks, each of us can make a difference in our respective Congressional Districts. We can choose to run on our own or we can encourage others to run who are outside the mainstream of Washington. We are not required to elect a Democrat or Republican. Let’s get creative. Throw in a few Communists, Socialists and Libertarians.

    This is an excellent idea!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    You are absolutely correct.

    Fresh air is what is needed in this system.

    The addition of a few more party lines would not hurt us. In fact, they would bring balance and stability. It would not always be, Left or right.

    There would be middle ground.

    We would not so lean that the lack of Government would leave everyone accept the self-sufficient out in the cold and on their own.
    Everyone is not so fortunate in this world not to need any help.

    Yet,

    We also would not be so top heavy that the system would drag everyone down supporting huge unsustainable government programs.
    The free market has to be profitable. But, not unregulated and greedy at the expense of everyone who gets in it’s way.

    So the scary words like Socialist and Communist would bring balance…

    :]I can’t believe I just said that Silas,but it’s true! Thanks…

  • FitzBoodle

    It helps if you’re schizophrenic.

    That way you can rail against Big Government while supporting the military-industrial complex, which is not only more than half the federal budget, but also violates Free Market principles by being largely monopolistic.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I think you did an excellent job writing this article, Jeannie.

  • Matt H

    You mentioned several times in your post and in your comments that this article is for “all of us”. You appear to be trying to make the case that the republic is in grave danger and that we must work together across the aisles to save it. While the idea of working together is laudable, I think you have failed to make your case.

    First, in order to work together, there has to be a common goal – a common definition and/or statement of the problem. If there is no agreement on what the problem is, then the likelihood of agreement on the solution is very slim. For instance, if the nation is in grave danger, WHY is it in grave danger? If I think meteors from outer space are going to pummel the United States and you think the earth’s core is going to melt down then clearly we are not going to arrive at the same solutions. And it’s worse if you believe that the lack of a single payer healthcare system is going to cause financial ruin and I believe the opposite – that the single payer healthcare system itself will cause financial ruin. There is no opportunity for compromise. Zero. Nada. None. On the other hand, if you think the threat is rising healthcare costs and inadequate healthcare for lower income Americans – then it may be possible for us to agree that there is a problem and we can negotiate the solution. But again, you have to be willing to negotiate give and take – and the answer must by definition be somewhere in the middle between us. THAT was the single largest failure of the Obama administration and the Democratic congress. Despite Obama’s pledge – during the General election – to “bring us together” he instead chose the more radical and farther left path to healthcare. The result – Scott Brown. Had he chosen – instead – to sit down with Republicans and Democrats to hammer out a bipartisan agreement – then he may well have already passed a bill. He may still, but its very clear that it will happen only if he moves more towards the center. I think that goes right to the heart of your point – IF ONLY THEY HAD WORKED TOGETHER. But then that’s pretty ironic because you were (and so far as I know – ARE) opposed to compromise. So I find this whole posting rather odd. Which brings me to my next point.

    To work together, the opposing party also has to believe in your sincerity and desire to engage in give and take. Yet, throughout your post (and oft repeated in the news, TV and on the net), you belittle the very folks you want to influence (unless – in fact – that is not your real intent). “Blue dog” democrats are “disgruntled. Republicans are the “party of no”. Tea party members are “angry people”. Who in their right mind would willfully “work together” with someone who belittles and disrespects their heartfelt values? Now that the healthcare bill is near failure Obama wants to work together? Sounds like CYA rather than good policy. Will he sign in blood a pledge that he will operate that way (on a bi-partisan basis) for the rest of his Presidency – under penalty of perjury and very large financial consequence?

    Third, the main difference between the constitutional convention and now is willingness to compromise. There were fierce debates during the constitutional convention. States rights versus Federalism. Slaves versus no slaves. And those viewpoints were about as polar opposite as could be – in the end the brilliance of solution was in balance and compromise. 3 branches of government. Electoral system verus straight vote (to protect states rights and rural citizens). The House & the Senate (to again, balance states rights versus federalism). Nothing on Capitol hill today remotely resembles this. Bills that are passed should – on the whole – please both Democrats AND Republicans (and Independents and Tea Partiers). A good bill is one that walks that fine line. That is not the government run healthcare proposal – but it could be some scaled down health care compromise.

    Last, but not least, not wanting a bad change does not equate to resisting all change. For instance, I would fully support a radical change to the tax code – the flat tax (with no loopholes). Would you?

    Sorry Jeannie, I call ‘em like I see ‘em. I do hope this new desire for compromise is telling of things to come.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Matt,

    I recognised that this was you because of your precise use of language and thought. Bravo! You are so intelligent Matt, I am proud to be a part of your family.

    You talk of compromise. Silas, mentioned the compromise of allowing all kinds of parties into the system. Which, I thought was an excellent idea.

    Yet,this point was not mentioned at all.

    You know, the whole point of this article was to try an find a compromise between the left and right. Please don’t kill the messenger here…

    A flat tax would still drive the middle and lower classes further down economically, wouldn’t it?

    Aren’t we all taxed to death at every turn? and Isn’t this the reason for the Tea Party?

    Now, If someone has a secure and adequate income then they can handle the extra burden of higher taxes on all goods and services that they buy.
    Right now, most of us are truly struggling. It is not just that some are unwilling. Yes, there are those that drain the system from being able to provide for those that really need it. But, some people in our world just can’t give to this nation no matter how much of strong work ethic they posses.

    I am looking for an intelligent and compassionate society.

    Why didn’t you mention that if we gave up Reaganomics tax cuts that it would help revive this economy?

    Why was my call to a more unified democratic party also dismissed because I called them disgruntled Blue Dogs and Liberals? For liberals in Fla. there is a desperate need for more social programs, and the formation of the Blue Dogs certainly stopped any of that from happening.

    If we can debate with each-other, then, we need to allso compromise here…just a tad.

    Now, I am going back to BC and your comment so that I can address each point you made in depth! The text here is so small that I can’t see what I’m typing , my spell checker can’t even see this page, and also I need to figure out what you said!…this is a compliment of the greatest kind…:)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Matt,

    Here is your point #1

    [First, in order to work together, there has to be a common goal – a common definition and/or statement of the problem. If there is no agreement on what the problem is, then the likelihood of agreement on the solution is very slim.]

    The Obama administration has tried repeatedly to reach out to House and Senate Republicans since the election.

    What we need is for these two groups to actually sit down together and write out a clearly defined and transparent mission statement.
    This would spell it out clearly for all of us, just what direction we should take this country in.

    The reason I don’t see this happening any time soon is due to the extreme involvement by special interest groups in every facet of our politics and lives, especially in Washington.

    You gave an excellent example of how if one group is worried about space and the other is more concerned about earth, then where is the common ground? It’s got to be here somewhere.

    But, if we cannot even see each-others concerns or give them value, then we will never be able or willing to write that mission statement.

    A Constitutional Convention would start that process.

    This my re. to your first point, and, I can see this is going to be a long day. I love it!

    Please read these links, as they help me to articulate my thoughts and ideas much better than my vocabulary. AND Matt,You don’t have to respond here if you don’t want to, as we have two rooms in the house now.

    :]Thank You! I’ll be back with more…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Feb 12, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    #15 from the article “Republicans: The Party of No? Oh, Yes!” written to me by the author-Baritone:

    Jeannie,

    This article was just published this afternoon (Fri.) It seems to have picked up a little steam.

    My guess is that Dan is NOT an Obama acolyte, but, as I said, that’s just a guess.

    Actually, Jeannie, I wrote this as a comment to your post, but as I got into it, I decided that it could stand on its own as an article. So your article was the inspiration for this.

    Frankly, I find the scathing, self-righteous, condescending conservative crap tiresome. It was conservatives, dating at least back to Reagan, who have sniggered this country in the back side. It is conservatism that has lead to deregulation of the banks and commodity markets which put this country in the dumpster.

    I’m certainly not happy with the state of things under Obama. He and his people have screwed the pooch more than once during the past year, but much of their failure is due to Republican stonewalling and the spineless blue dog Dems who have proven to be DINOs (Democrats in name only,) as I predicted shortly after the 2006 elections.
    I saw then that a number of the Dems who had been elected to congress were of a truly conservative bent who would be trouble for the Party down the road.

    Right now, the most hated and mistrusted pols are conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans. Historically, the middle of the road was the place to be, but for the time being it is tantamount to a no-man’s land. For a pol to compromise is to hammer another nail in his or her own political coffin. We are in a “You are either for us, or you’re against us,” all or nothing mode. It seems no one is quite liberal enough or quite conservative enough to dodge criticism. It’s a stand-off between the extremes with no “de-militarized zone” between.

    Meanwhile Obama probably wonders what the fuck happened?

    Once again, I still contend that the main stream tea partiers are wackos.

    Obama can’t pronounce “corpsmen?” Well, let’s see, that’s 1 for Obama. And what was the last count for Georgie “Nuculer” Bush? You remember him don’t you? You know – “The Decider?”

    B

  • STM

    America needs to revert to being a constitutional monarchy.

    Paradoxically, it’s a waaaaaay less monarchical system.

    I still can’t believe in the US the president can appoint an unelected cabinet … rather, kind of just surrounding himself with advisers of his own choosing. Just like the old counsel who attended court and gave advice to kings and queens of old.

    Doesn’t make any sense in a modern democracy to have unelected people with that much power.

    Look at Bush’s cabinet … Cheney and that other dude … what’s his name?? Rumsfeld?

    Since we’re all on the same page anyway Americans just need to send a petition to Liz at Buck House and ask to be readmitted.

    Wouldn’t be a drama.

    And you could use that lovely state flag of Hawaii – the best-designed in the whole Union – as the basis for a new version of old glory, if you were so inclined.

    See, I don’t see a lot of difference – hardly any to be honest on a day-to-day basis – between the American republic and the stable constitutional monarchies of the British commonwealth like Australia, Canada, New Zealand.

    Come on America! What have you got to lose but your tendency to navel gaze until the cows come home?

    Call Liz now. It’ll be sweet.

  • STM

    And because you’re Americans, we’d even pretend to let you run the thing.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    STM,

    I take it you read my article and agreed with it?

    I know that you write with a touch of satire, so I always have to decipher your comments more than others.

    :] I like Aussies! They have guts!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    And because you’re Americans, we’d even pretend to let you run the thing.

    :] yep, I get it!

  • Baronius

    Matt – Heck of a comment! Chesterton said that what’s wrong with the world is that we can’t agree on what’s right with the world. We need to look at what our visions have in common, and act. A second problem is that even where we agree on the ends, we disagree on the means. In such cases, we should implement small policy changes or local changes and see if they work. Washington’s habit of creating an omnibus reform bill pretty much guarantees that won’t happen.

    I disagree with out about name-calling, though. I don’t care if someone calls me names, as long as they’re willing to sit down and work with me. President Obama does the opposite; he says that he’s above the rancor but won’t negotiate anything. Let’s move past the bickering and everyone agree with me, he’ll say. That accomplishes nothing, and it’s one of the reasons that he’s been marginalized in the health care debate.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I agree with Matt’s comment and with Baronius’s. That’s how things ought to work ideally. What I find missing, however, from this rather astute analysis is a dose of reality.

    We do know, for example, that some politicians might be so motivated and moved by the spirit of compromise that Matt alludes to; we also have good reasons to suspect that many may not, and are more concerned instead with their own political fortunes rather than with what’s good for the country.

    What is the basis of my skepticism? For the most part, the straight up and down party vote on most of the legislation that’s on the negotiating table. Being a Republican or a Democrat oughtn’t to mean voting Republican or Democrat on every single issue, not when as many as 40 or 60 people end up displaying such voting patterns. It flies in the face of individual variance, variance with respect to our visions, what we regard as true and good, with respect to our conscience. Consequently, it only means party-line voting, and it only places Matt’s analysis of our political condition in doubt.

    While it’s reasonable to assume that many if not most of our politicians are honorable and well-meaning, and that they’re paragons of integrity, it’s just as unreasonable to assume that all of them are.

    Perhaps it’s more difficult to see corruption in contemporary times and with contemporary eyes, but we certainly don’t experience the same problem when looking at our past. So perhaps Matt should also take a look at the Roman Senate and how it deteriorated over time from the illustrious institution it once was to a corrupt body of greedy and self-serving men. And doing so, might restore the proper balance to his otherwise down-to-earth and sensible analysis.

  • pablo

    20 STM

    “I still can’t believe in the US the president can appoint an unelected cabin AND consent from the Senate for each one of his cabinet chiefs. That being said his love of appointing Czars is quite frightening to me, as well as using this particular word.

  • pablo

    20 STM

    My comment 26 got mangles enroute to the server.

    You said:

    “I still can’t believe in the US the president can appoint an unelected cabinet”

    This is not true, the President must have advice AND consent from the Senate for each and every one of his cabinet chiefs. That being said his love of appointing Czars is quite frightening to me, as well as using this particular word.

  • STM

    When I say unelected Pablo, I mean that literally. They haven’t had to face the people … a president can choose people in his cabinet that he wants, and they are people who have not had to face “the people” in an election.

    I don’t believe that much power should be given to folks who haven’t been elected by popular vote.

    This is where the executive roles of a president and a monarch in a constitutional monarchy are so very different.

    A monarch is bound by convention not to interfere in the democratic running of government. A monarch can by law and convention only interfere if a government is acting unconstitutionally, and vice-versa.

    A president’s cabinet seems to me to be constantly interfering in that democratic process. It’s not democracy for a couple of smart unelected cowboys with power and influence to wag the dog.

    I mean, I’ve been watching the six o’clock news since the death of John F.Kennedy, so I’ve been around long enough to see how it works.

    I don’t believe Americans are anywhere near as free as they like to think, nor do I think that US administrations always adhere to the ideals of the constitution of the United States when it comes to rights, beyond paying lip service to it.

    You need to do something about that. The American people are slowly loosing their power to the point where US presidential adminstartions have become oligarchies.

    And there’s no pot of gold at the end of an ever-growing pile of poop.

    And thanks Jeannie … but I’m only half joking.

    I’m coming from a selfish point of view here too. As an Australian, it’s also in my interest to see an America not diverging from the path and the American people maintain the major role in the American political process, and I don’t believe the machinations, nods and whispers that currently influence the US political process allow for that – and they haven’t for a while.

    That can’t be a good thing. You have to make your politicians understand that you run the country, not them. They are only your elected representatives.

    Too many politicians – here in this country too – forget that.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Pablo,

    Reality check for ya,

    Czars is quite frightening to me, as well as using this particular word.

    The first Bush Administration introduced that term, another word for over-seer…you betcha…

    :] Tell me? How is all that hopey-changey thing working out for you?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    STM,

    I agree and have to ask you. Why do we constantly let unelected and unknown people call the shots here?

    And,

    How has your country been able to avoid this BAIT AND SWITCH?

    :] I’ll be back later, I’m busy today.

  • STM

    Although I have to say, having gone through something similar in this country recently in regards to a proposed emissions cap and trade scheme that is basically a huige tax that ordinary people like me will pay for, I am a great fan of Senates doing what they are meant to do … oppose, question, filter, gauge the will of the people.

    Keep the bastards in the lower house honest. Otherwise, any government can say: “You voted us in, we have a mandate (even though we didn’t tell you the whole truth)”.

    We had a situation in this country a few years back when the Prime Minister, when questioned on various broken election promises, decided that he’d split his promises into – get this – “core promises” and “non-core promises”.

    The political journalists in this country are pretty savvy, though. Every time he announced something in the wake of that, they’d ask: “Will that be a core or non-core promise, Prime Minister?”

    It’s always worth remembering that even when governments hit an impasse in the senate or their equivalent, or people cross the floor to vote with their conscience, that is democracy in action and if the wheels turn slowly, at least we should all be thankful that they are actually turning.

    Democracy takes more than one participant. All lawful views are valid.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You’re raising an interesting question, STM –the imperial vs. elected presidency.

    I’m not quite convinced that the elected president shouldn’t have the right to make key appointments at will. It does hamper the executive if each and every such appointment is hampered by partisan politics.

    Perhaps you’re being influenced in your thinking by focusing on the monarchical model.

    But the role of monarchy, of necessity, had to become restricted in order to be compatible with, and not to interfere with, the workings of a parliamentary democracy. So perhaps the analogy you’re working with doesn’t quite apply.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    STM,

    Thank you for responding to my question.

    We are being lied to at all levels of our government. Control-boards move in and take over cities and counties without any say from voters.

    Boards sit above hospitals and schools calling all the shots. After a while you realize that the people who are supposed to be working for you are now working for them.

    In New York state our Governor-Elliot Spitzer, was found to be sexually amoral and that is really not the voters business. But, he used tax dollars to do it, and that was a mistake.

    Now we have Patterson who is not in anyone’s imagination a Democrat…the old bait and switch!

    :] We want to move to Australia

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Everyone,

    Have a Happy Valentines Day!

    :)

  • Matt H

    Roger – all reasonable comments. I agree with everything you say and your healthy dose of skepticism. Consider this though, my comment was more targeted at you, and I and the Jeannie’s of the world. Instead of focusing all our energy on attacking politicians and their parties for what they’ve done wrong WE should be changing OUR ways. Can you imagine the power if all the Jeannie’s and Matt’s of the country reached consensus and pushed congress to listen. Congress (and the President) is just a reflection of us – so we really have no reason to complain unless we are willing to do what we demand of them.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, you’re right. We deserve the government we’ve got.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Happy Valentine, Jeannie.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Matt,

    Can you imagine the power if all the Jeannie’s and Matt’s of the country reached consensus and pushed congress to listen. Congress (and the President) is just a reflection of us – so we really have no reason to complain unless we are willing to do what we demand of them.

    :] I think and believe that we can!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna
  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Hey Jeannie: just starting to feel better and wanted to send you good wishes for the Valentine Day weekend; that goes to all the BC “peeps.” Please, nobody read into the parenthesis.

    Sorry I missed all the debates on so many threads. It is my birthday on Monday, so I think I am just getting old and am starting to lack the stamina I used to have: physically and mentally. Oh well, until next time.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    You don’t ever have to apologise to me for anything, by the very nature of your honesty, I hold a deep respect for you.

    I know that these threads are brutal, and I haven’t figured out why we can’t treat one another with intelligence and class here at BC…yet

    You have an incredible amount of energy! Also, you are very successful woman, and, when compared to many of these commenters at BC you out-shine them all.

    :0 But we are still debating on this thread! So, what is your rebuttal to my #7 that was a RE. to your #5?…Tuesday though, because I want you to have a Happy Valentines and birthday! :}

    Also, My cousin Matt has joined the party here and I believe you will really like his comments Christine, he doesn’t lean as far-left as me, in fact I would say that he could really bring some balance and reality to all of us-especially me!

    ;]byeee for now…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    In-order to continue this debate, I need to break your points up into smaller chunks…this is still too complicated for the average reader( me. )

    if you believe that the lack of a single payer healthcare system is going to cause financial ruin and I believe the opposite – that the single payer healthcare system itself will cause financial ruin. There is no opportunity for compromise. Zero. Nada.

    When I look at my Health-Care costs by the government for my VA coverage compared to my husbands private insurer, the differences are staggering. Look at what single-payer-health-care would actually cost.

    “Administrative costs are at 31% of U.S. health spending, far higher than in other countries’ systems. These inflated costs are due to our failure to have a publicly financed, universal health care system. We spend about twice as much per person as Canada or most European nations, and still deny health care to many in need. A national health program could save enough on administration to assure access to care for all Americans, without rationing.” PNHP-Physicians for a national health program.

    Now, as you can see in this link, there are many reasons to switch to a single-Payer-system.

    The savings in dollars for all of our taxpayers is the number one reason to take a chance on this idea.

    Now, look at private insurers:

    “Health care companies do not provide health care. They simply collect premiums from us, get the bills from doctors and hospitals, decide how much they are going to pay, and pay it. They are just pass-throughs. And they skim that 30% right off the top while doing it” quote by Bob Bourque of Los Alamos found in The Health Care Blog
    When I look at how much premium my husband has paid for health-care that he has used only once, it makes me want to sue that company for a full refund
    And, he only used his coverage for one emergency room visit after eating chicken soup that I made with the bones left in…that’s the way we used to eat it when grandma made it!

    So, it’s all my fault that he cost the system-that would probably not even cover
    him fully in a major illness or accident-a fraction of the profit that they reel in from all of us on a daily bases.

    His insurance costs continue to rise, as they tacked on another 13% to it this year.

    I say, “For What?”

    :]enough for now…we will catch up when you have the time. Please have a wonderful valentine’s Day with your beautiful and intelligent wife. I still don’t hold enough trust out here to name all names.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Matt,

    I will post the links to this comment for you on facebook, they just don’t work here this morning for some reason…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Look over on this thread Matt

    These are the many faces of people who tried yesterday to pass themselves off as big-intellectuals on this thread.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Through all of the health care wrangling, I have never understood how anyone could support the status quo. Yet, that is just what the Reps have pushed – that the status quo is just dandy. They claim all that needs be done – if anything – is simply to tweak something here and snip something there and then – voila – we will all be living in health care shangri-la.

    Happily, I get all of my health care through the VA, except for dental care. It’s not perfect by any means, but it beats the hell out of having nothing which is where I’d be without it. IT’S GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE DAMNIT!!! The only thing that makes ANY sense is a single payer system. Screw all the socialism crap. Health care should be removed from the for profit system. Certainly, if there were some individuals and health care professionals who prefered to work outside that system, provisions should be made for them. I suppose in such a case, we would be talking about really rich people who could buy and sell most of the doctors and hospitals in the country out of petty cash.
    But the great majority of this nation’s people would ultimately benefit from a properly organized and operated single payer government health care system.

    Idiots talk about government death panels when the current system is rife with death panels in every medical insurance company in the country. How many people have been doomed by decisions made by non-medical people working for insurance companies, who then ultimately got bonuses for those decisions?

    Any so called “public option” sucks. It would not do the job necessary. Single payer is the ONLY way to go.

    B

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Baritone,

    You’re just venting. It’s not a matter of ascertaining between the two of us what’s good for the country on the matter of healthcare reforms – that’s academic, shall we say, never mind the idiot opinions to the contrary, whether voiced here on BC or in Washington, D.C.

    The congressional paralysis is the one and only cause for concern. What does this gridlock reflect? Political ill will, real divisions among the people, or both.

    Again, I argue that this is unprecedented. Yet, we’ve got to be able to make something of this, understand what’s really happening, before we can move forward – and not just on healthcare but any matter pertaining to national interest and the American people’s well-being.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Baritone,

    I ask myself this same question. And, for the life of me, I don’t know why I continue to write on-line and for free, that Single-Payer-Health-Care is the only intelligent and compassionate solution to the American fiscal crisis that will bankrupt us all soon.

    For all their stonewalling and rantings, the forces that really appose this solution are the same powerful-people who have no financial woes, or emotional awareness of those that are not in their league.

    Just as the question in my original essay, “The Conservative Soul: A View From The Center” asked, “What do they care, if we don’t have health-care, education, and a living wage?” As long as they have for themselves and theirs, we the American people can go cry to the wind…

    For-Profit-Health-Care is keeping us all sick, my friend, I believe that you just might be the writer, and dam fine one, that I have been searching for to drive this point home for all of us.

    When I first started on this journey, I actually thought of myself as center, but that’s no way for me to live.

    I have practically stood on the brink of insanity, in-order to call attention to this ugly truth. I’m now the opposite of Beck! :]

    So, warts and all, I will expose my limitations to the world-if need be.

    :o Thanks B, now I can get a good night’s sleep, because, someone is not only listening to my voice, they can hear it!

  • STM

    Single payer is not the only way to go. You can have one government payer supplemented by private health insurance.

    Provided of course that those taking out private cover don’t mind paying for the public system through their taxes … as we do here.

    It’s not a one-way street, though, in this country. Even if you have private cover, trauma or emergency patients are invariably treated first in the publicb system, and may stay there with their own room and their own choice of doctor.

    Anything’s possible if every bastard stops bickering about it.

    That’s what’s stuffing you guys up big time.

    No bastard can agree on anything, and it’s mostly I suspect the result of bloody-mindedness.

    America is the only western democracy that doesn’t have some form of quality, fair UHC – and where people go bankrupt and lose their homes if they can’t afford decent medical care. Or worse, I also suspect.

    And what happens if you lose your job in the current climate?

    Really buggered then, right?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    As a vital leader on the world stage, America appears to be suffering from stage fright for a number of reasons.

    The problem with this article is the underlying premise in the twenty-one word teaser, Jeannie.

    America is not a vital “leader” of any kind in the world. It is in debt to China, Russia and Arabia, it is losing its top status to others in research, and all other kinds of things.

    It leads in the kinds of things that America should not lead in – obesity, diabetes, heart disease, violent crime (to be fair, South Africa far surpasses the States in violent crime).

    America is living today off the merit earned it by the soldiers who liberated Europe 65 years ago and who handed out Hershey’s bars to starving children.

    And that merit is rapidly running out.

    It is not that America is not a rich country. Homeless people in America are the envy of the world – well fed, well clothed, always (well, almost always) a cigarette at hand. But those riches will disappear, and when they do, America will be in a sorry state indeed.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Oh yes, Jeannie, just to remind you. While “conservatism” generally may or may not be a good ideology to follow, fiscal conservatism conserves a nation’s resources.

    When you and I were children a half century ago was the time for the United States to invest in a universal health care system – and I agree with you that one is badly needed in America. But now, when you are in debt up to your eyeballs to every Tom, Lee, Dick, Tariq and Ivan on the planet – now is NOT the time to putting money you do not have into anything.

  • pablo

    Hey Jeannie,

    I was wondering if you could tell me what you think the difference is between a democracy and a republic.

    “I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, and retirement funds, I called Lifeline, the suicide help line. I got a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal.

    They all got excited and asked if I could drive a truck.”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Too bad they answered the phone…

  • pablo

    Ruvy 49:

    “It leads in the kinds of things that America should not lead in – obesity, diabetes, heart disease, violent crime (to be fair, South Africa far surpasses the States in violent crime).”

    Amerika also leads the world in militarism, invading the sovereignty of other states, imposing her will around the world, arrogance, sheople, borrowing, and now recently coming out in the open and saying that they have the right to assassinate their own citizens worlwide!

    You go Amerika.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Pablo,

    I remember, one day while reading another-buried-thread, you bragging about being a child of the sixties…bull shit…you sold out years ago…and as far as I can tell…you ain’t never coming back…

    :] Want a truck? I hear Toyota makes a pretty cheap one.

  • pablo

    29 Jeanie

    “Pablo,

    Reality check for ya,

    Czars is quite frightening to me, as well as using this particular word.

    The first Bush Administration introduced that term, another word for over-seer…you betcha…”

    I am well aware of this fact Jeannie and more than likely numerous other things regarding the Bush’s that you may not be aware of. For instance did you know the Prescott Bush was instrumental in funding of the Nazis? Or did you know that the Bin Laden family and the Bush family have been business partners for over 25 years? Or did you know that Prescott Bush was part of a plan to stage a coup in the USA to usher in a totalitarian government that was stopped by Colonel Smedley Butler?

    I am no fan of the Bush’s Jeannie, however Obama has far more czars than Bush ever had. Being that Bush was a wolf, and Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing I find a wolf in sheep’s clothing even more contemptible, as a wolf in sheep’s clothing pretends that she/he is your friend. I never had such illusions about the Bush family.

  • STM

    Pablo: “the right to assassinate their own citizens worldwide!”

    I’ll agree with you on that one Pablo. That is totally bizarre. If they have to engage in such nefarious, immoral and unlawful activity, they could at least do what everyone else does: try to keep quiet about it.

    But the idea of America doing that and thinking it’s OK is just totally surreal. And there is that little mention of due process in a couple of places in the constitution, in case the government’s forgotten.

  • pablo

    54 Jeannie,

    Care to elaborate, or are you attempting a slinging war? That sure was not a very nice thing to say to me.

  • pablo

    I am all ears Jeannie. :)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    That’s the problem with this site. There really aren’t many commentators here at all. It’s just a few insignificant-voices that rant and rave, each believing that their rant is better than the next…

    :] I apologies to all the intelligent-mature people who have read my article and have commented with grace and to those that have refrained…That’s why I like all those little books, they protect my writings from the likes of some of you.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    STM,

    You deserve a decent response from me, and it should not be in the middle of this individuals mud slinging.

    So, if you don’t mind I’ll look at your first comment later and try to debate with you as an adult.

    :] I just couldn’t help myself with those last responses…ha ha

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    For instance, did you know the Prescott Bush was instrumental in funding of the Nazis? Or did you know that the Bin Laden family and the Bush family have been business partners for over 25 years? Or did you know that Prescott Bush was part of a plan to stage a coup in the USA to usher in a totalitarian government that was stopped by Colonel Smedley Butler?

    This is the kind of stuff that I know about, that lots of folks sorta know, but would rather not. They would rather discuss philosophers and “not get in to the nitty gritty” to quote one fellow around here. Or make cheap talk about “political parties”.

    That stuff went out years ago, Jeannie (and Christine, Baritone, Cobra, Baronius, Roger, DD, OA, Silas and all the rest of you), and only the yokels get excited over it any more. When I finally realized this in 2000, I was kicking myself for thinking I could do some good as a Republican in New York, or a Democrat in Minnesota. When I moved here, I only joined the Likud because I thought the faction leader had the balls to try to overthrow the traitors at the top. When I discovered he didn’t I quit the Likud.

    Jeannie, wake up and smell the gunpowder. You have not kept your republic. You have kept only your delusions of a republic – much like the Roman Senate was after Julius Gaius was murdered and his nephew used his uncle’s nickname to denote a position of rulership – “caesar”, now evolved into “czar”.

    It really is a shame you cannot see this. You are such a bright lady, with a good heart and such a feisty spirit.

    A pity.

  • pablo

    Ok Jeannie have it your way, I waited for a half an hour, no response from you.

    First let me be perfectly clear here, I have NEVER uttered so much as a scintilla of sarcasm, rudeness, or uncivility towards you Jeannie, since you started commenting on this site.

    In comment 55 I merely pointed out to you that I was aware of who started using the word czar, as it seemed to me that you were attempting to shed light on something I was already aware of.

    I also asked you what you defined as a republic versus a democracy since that was part of the title of your article. All very very nice I might add.

    Then out of the blue, you came out with this very unsavory comment to me in 54.

    “Pablo,

    I remember, one day while reading another-buried-thread, you bragging about being a child of the sixties…bull shit…you sold out years ago…and as far as I can tell…you ain’t never coming back…”

    Selling out by definition means that one give up principles or a principle for a monetary gain. I do not represent nor work for anyone other than myself Jeannie, that is a fact. I am not a shill, an agent, an employee, or a spy. Everything that I say on this site about politics are my thoughts and beliefs alone. So for you to say that I have sold out, then have the gall not to even clarify when asked is quite something indeed. Maybe you had a bad hair day, or your husband has a headache tonight. I don’t know, however your remark was uncalled for, particularly when asked by me for clarification.

    My bona fides as a hippy, a counter culture person, a freak as it were are the following dear. I spent well over 35 years as a counter culture person. A hippy if you will, (a name created by the MSM btw). I went to rainbow gatherings (do you even know what a rainbow gathering is Jeannie dear?) I personally attended some 700 Grateful Dead shows over a 30 year period. I have inhaled more pot then anyone you know plus all of their friends combined. I have also ingested more agents for the dual purposes of recreation, and mind opening than you or all of your friends combined Jeannie dear.

    I have spoken out publicly at events with thousands of people in attendance protesting war, injustice, and big brother.

    I notice on your simple blog Jeannie that you were a big fan of RFK, as in your hero. What have you done to find his murderers lately? Or are you simply content to sit back and believe that Sirhan Sirhan did it. I can tell you without reservation that he did not do it, as I have studied that particular case for over 20 years. Yet you seem easy to just move on about it. Am I wrong honey? I doubt it.

    I also see your a fan of Arundhati Roy, she happens to be one of my personal heroes, perhaps she sold out too!

    By the way Jeannie I saw several of your posts complaining about making money online writing. I just happen to do that for a living. I won’t share much with you about that, for a variety of reasons, one having to do with your disparity of me. I will tell you this however, the first thing you do is host your own blog honey. As long as you host on wordpress.com you cannot monetize it, and there are numerous ways to do so if you have an active readership. Judging by the piss poor comments that I have seen on your site, you may want to try another way to earn a buck however.

    I am a very very nice person Jeannie, however I am not one to spread the other cheek. You openly disparaged me, then did not have the decency to clarify when asked politely by me. Ok fine, have it your way, at least we understand each other.

    Your love for Obama is bordering on either hynosis or mad infatuation. You have no clue what is really going on politically in the world today, yet you write about it ad nauseum.

    When a person such as myself offers as I do tidbits of real knowledge about politics in the usa today, you are not able to get out of your antiquated, dead end politics to see the forest for the trees. Your whole party has been co-opted, and is actively working to bring about the total, yes I say total destruction of everything that you hold dear. Your freedom, your property, your dignity, and the once proud and free country known as the us of a.

    Sold out Jeannie? Sure I did sweetie.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I didn’t run away, Pablo. I was taking a break from the computer, though. I should have credited you with the quote of yours I used, and I apologize for not having done so.

    I’ll tell you a “secret”, Paul. The years 2000 – 2001 were really hard for me. On the one hand I had to convince my wife to move here for the sake of maintaining the Jewishness of our family. On the other hand, I was reading Barry Chamish’s essays detailing how just about every Zionist ideal I had believed in all my life was a fuckin’ lie, and how this country was being sold down the Jordan. So all that is left for me is the Tana”kh – that old book that is the DNA of the universe (the Torah) and the writings of the great ones of my ancestors and their prophets.

    But the nice thing is that I’m seeing prophecy come true in my own lifetime.

    Anyway, I’m going to give you a bit of friendly advice that may help tide you over the hard times to come. And please don’t take this personally, as an attack. It is meant as advice – advice I’d prefer to give you in private (off-line), but cannot.

    I realize that you have seen a great deal of pain in your life. I’m asking you, for your own sake, to look away from all that pain, and away from the petty insults that people here have slung at you. Instead, I’m asking you to look at the evil you may have done others, the hurts you may have inflicted, and to try to consider how that hurt affects them. I’m not talking about insults tossed about on the internet, I’m talking about things you have done. Look, and consider the effects you may have had on others. It is something I have been trying to do for a couple of years now, because I’m convinced that this is what I will face when I face my Maker – and that it is what we will all face when we face our Maker.

    Don’t worry about what you believe or don’t believe in terms of religion. That really isn’t important. Even if it turns out that there is no Reason to do this, and we all just turn to dust and ant-food when we die, while you are alive, doing this will make you feel better.

  • pablo

    Ok Ruvy, I will. I never thought you ran away bro, I was referring to Jeannie’s remark.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    No amount of cyber-bullying or cyber-illusion-head-games, will keep the author of this article’s voice from being heard by someone.

    My name is Jeannie Danna:

    I have thickened my skin. -and- Although that’s a sad thing it is also the only way to travel these days, especially through these threads.

    Now, I warned all of you that I was going to continue to pursue each and every one of you until your “True-Colors” rang through to me.

    This morning I got the call from Pablo. -and- Ruvy became just a buzzing in my ear a long time ago. Sorry, Ruv.

    Those who don’t wish to acknowledge me or insult my intelligence by using a thesaurus to the point of nausea, go right ahead… I now have a wonderful-debate going right now on facebook with my intelligent and mature cousin Matt, who by the way said that he finds these threads very-distasteful, in his own words of course.

    Baritone, Christine, STM, and Silas have been very civil towards me; they have earned my respect and hopefully we will continue to have mature-thought-provoking debates here. ;]you guys rock!

    :] You all crack-me-up. ha ha ha OBSTRUCT & STALL…like the saying goes, “Keep on Truckin.” I know I will…

  • pablo

    You threw the first punch Deanna dear, just remember that, because I will. Oh by the way Jeannie, I know your woefully ignorant of the subject but as a matter of FACT, and I can provide the information should you request it, (which I am sure you won’t) Facebook.inc is a complete CIA front company. I just thought you would like to know, not that you care dear.

  • Mark

    pablo #68, that’s fascinating. Please do provide the info that you refer to.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Although I know that Ruvy was not addressing me here, I feel and think that this is the most-honest and self-effacing words I have ever read of his, at least the ones written where I can read them:

    “I realize that you have seen a great deal of pain in your life. I’m asking you, for your own sake, to look away from all that pain, and away from the petty insults that people here have slung at you. Instead, I’m asking you to look at the evil you may have done others, the hurts you may have inflicted, and to try to consider how that hurt affects them. I’m not talking about insults tossed about on the internet, I’m talking about things you have done. Look, and consider the effects you may have had on others. It is something I have been trying to do for a couple of years now, because I’m convinced that this is what I will face when I face my Maker – and that it is what we will all face when we face our Maker.” Ruvy

    I lost a friend in my life yesterday; he left this world without making a dent, at least one that most people could see.

    He died in a VA hospital-and thank God he at least had that…for there are millions in this world and country that die on a daily basis, without the necessary care a compassionate system would afford them.

    This system of Health–Care that we cannot seem to get for all of our citizens, should have been written into our constitution as a right years ago, but it wasn’t.

    I have felt the pain of loss many times over in my life. Six of the real-friends that I have had in my life succumbed to suicide.

    That word was a real button for me this morning and I do apologize for that comment. But the rest of my position stands firm. I don’t flip-flop-to-please the crowd and I’m not starting now. But, I will open my eyes to knew possibilities and fresh ways of seeing my life and the lives of those around me. we are all here for such a short time. “The brevity of your life, after you realize it, can take the breath right of your soul. But, remember to let some oxygen back in. “Just Breath.”

    I could have been a much better friend to Gerald, but I wasn’t and for that I am heartily sorry…please forgive me Jerr.

  • pablo

    My pleasure Mark. Please don’t be dissapointed that I will not be using any MSM sources for this, as the MSM due to Operation Mockingbird is for all practical purposes sewn up tight by US intelligence, hence they will not do a story on this.

    Facebook, the CIA, and You

    The CIA and Facbook

    Facebook a CIA Front?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    “Well I don’t like the shouting matches – which is by and large the reason I avoid blogs as a general rule. The other reason is that – unfortunately – I just don’t really have the time. Wish I did.” – Matt H.

    See?

    If we would all just act like civilized human-beings towards one-another, then, more people would come here to join in the chatter…we all have no-one to blame but ourselves, I included.

    :[ Also, please try to get past this insistence on grammatical perfection…other people have things to add to this blog for “Superior-writers.”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    “Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.” – Mark Twain.

    This inspiring quote is found on the bottom of Christopher Rose’s e-mails.

    If he can look at my writing, as ruff as it is right now, and still see my potential, then I ask each-of-you,

    :o “Why can’t you?” bye for now…

  • pablo

    yes I understand you Jeannie about being civilized towards one another, as in not coming online and out of the blue calling another person a sell out then not even having the courtesy and respect to explain when asked. I could not agree more with you. Too bad your not one of those people that you talk about, now that would be nice dear.

    An excellent point though. :)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    That word was a real button-pusher for me this morning, and I do apologize for that comment.

    The rest of my comments stand firm. I don’t flip-flop to please the crowd, and I’m not starting now.

    But, I will open my eyes to new possibilities and fresh ways of seeing my life and the lives of those around me.

    We are all here for such a short time. “The brevity of your life, after you realize it, can take the breath right out of your soul.”

    So, remember to also let some oxygen back in. “Just Breath.”

    :0 It’s hard to write through tears.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    My name is Jeannie Danna, Pablo.

    We are not on a dear term basis here.

    I am, a blogcritic that just happens to be a woman.

    Not, a woman that just happens to be a blogcritic.

    :0 Now, I really must leave. Make some breakfast or something. I’ll catch you later.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Ruvy became just a buzzing in my ear a long time ago. Sorry, Ruv.

    Don’t let it bother you Jeannie. You are not Jewish, and I do not feel any sense of obligation toward you to save you from a holocaust of death in the United States, a sense of obligation I do have toward Jews who live there. If you choose to treat me like a buzzing fly, nu, it’s not going to be that tragic for you.

    It’s different for fellow Jews, Jeannie. Whether I like them or their views or not, I have an obligation called pikúaH néfesh (saving of a potential hostage) toward my fellow Jews that I do not have toward you.

  • pablo

    Jeannie 75
    And what word would that be Jeannie? I assume that you were talking to me, but I can’t tell as you did not address me by name.

  • Mark

    Very interesting connections re facebook, pablo. Thanks.

  • pablo

    You bet Mark, glad to shed some light on the issue.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    One things is for certain, Pablo. Ours is a surveillance society, and this feature is not likely to dissipate.

    As a counterpoint to your usual reading diet, may I suggest Michel Foucault? He had articulated this phenomenon clearer than anyone. Indeed, I think you could buttress some of your thinking with Mr. Foucault’s insights. If you’re interested, I could suggest an article or two.

    BTW, sorry to hear about your exchange with Jeannie. She does yield to her emotions at times, but we all know she always means well.

    Lots of people are becoming unnerved these days, Pablo, unnerved because they’re getting desperate. I’m certain you understand that. Hopefully, you can also overlook it.

    Ciao

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh dear, is the CIA writing down everything I say on Facebook, Pablo? In that case my cover is blown. I had better read your links.

  • pablo

    Yes Roger, we are indeed living in interesting times, and things are unraveling very quickly. I would be happy to take up a book, but first I would like your opinion on the one that I have recommended to you numerous times, that you said you would peruse.”Terrorism Illuminati” . Also are you familiar with “Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon?

    As to my exchange with Jeannie or lack thereof, I have spent most of my life not selling out, and bucking the system. I am not employed by anyone but myself, and I have been a rebel for a long long long time. So when Jeannie comes along with a snide ass comment to me by name, and then does not have the decency to respond for clarification when asked, and then comes on and says how everyone should be nice to each other, it gets me a bit peeved.

    I do know for the most part that she means well, however there is no excuse for unwarranted bile. I know I can dish it out and frequently do to others on here, however should someone ask me why, I will always tell them where my acridity is coming from. Jeannie has not done that, and I will treat her accordingly up to until such time as she addresses me personally on her uncalled for statement that I am a sellout. I may be many many things, but that is not one of them.

  • pablo

    No Cindy, they are reading and saving Everything that you say everywhere online, and soon that will be true everywhere else as well, including your own home and bedroom. But you know what all good sheople americans say, “I have nothing to hide, so why should I care that they are watching me?” That one thing is the primary reason that we are in the pickle that we are in today.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I have an obligation called pikúaH néfesh (saving of a potential hostage) toward my fellow Jews that I do not have toward you.

    Isn’t god charming when he* plays favorites.

    *I have to say if there is a god and it can be called by a gender, it would definitely be a he. Unless god is a female misogynist, it is pretty assured it’s a he.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “Don’t let it bother you Jeannie. You are not Jewish, and I do not feel any sense of obligation toward you to save you from a holocaust of death in the United States, a sense of obligation I do have toward Jews who live there.”

    You couldn’t have expressed your prejudice better, Ruvy.

    See, the difference between you and me is that if God were ever told me that to my face, that He’s God of my people rather than all people, I would spit in his face and accept the consequences. Yet, you’re willingly embrace your God as God of the Jews (and not of every living creature he had presumably made).

    And while this mindset may have been instrumental while the Jews where in exile, to cling to the idea of God so understood, as some kind of local bully, minding only “his own,” only shows how little your people have progressed.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    84 – “I have nothing to hide, so why should I care that they are watching me?”

    Yes, people let it happen. They believe in the govt. They believe the govt is there to protect them and their ‘freedom’. The govt sucks Pablo.

  • pablo

    I cannot help but wonder why you made that comment to me however Cindy. I simply pointed out to Jeannie (not that she cares) when she was talking about facebook, there CIA affiliation, then when asked by Mark, I too, the time and effort to provide relevant urls.

    I get an underlying feeling that somehow you were subtly snubbing me. I hope that is not the case, but if it is, please elaborate for me so that I might understand where you are coming from.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Looks we’re on the same page here, too, Cindy.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Pablo,

    Since, you have addressed me by name and directly, without any passive-aggressiveness, then I will answer your last question.

    Now, you and i almost got off to a very good start here at BC, Am I correct?

    But, your girl-friend, you informed me, was very jealous of you speaking to me about any subject.

    Now this is so sad,for a number of reasons:

    #1 :]I am old! “53, in this society is not revered by many men, So, the thought that I was coming-on to you by inter-acting here at BC is ridiculous! at least in my mind.

    #2 I snatched that first sentence out of your original comment, in an attempt to join in here! You know,I did write the article above your head.
    I wrote Clavos a very nice e-mail thanking him for helping me to steer my mind and thoughts in the right direction, in-order to write the damn thing;he helped me understand what a sub-heading was in the first place.

    I also try to give credit where it is due,
    most-of-the-time.

    #3. You don’t even come over here to comment or read a word I say. The only reason I see you all over here now is because Baritone and STM have inter-acted with me and fully read my article.

    #4 You tried to belittle me this morning with that snarky illustration of you calling a SUICIDE-PREVENTION-HOT-LINE!

    :o Sorry to shout that out there, but perhaps if you slowed down and actually read my words then you would understand my meaning.

  • pablo

    Roger 86

    A very good comment, I agree wholeheartedly.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    She was only seconding you, Pablo. The quote in #84 was not in your own voice.

    What followed in the rest of #87 was just an extrapolation.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    88 Pablo Nope not snubbing you. It is just that I have taken pains to hide my identity from the govt. Because I want to leave open the possibility of being a public school teacher. They don’t tend to like teachers who proclaim they are anarchists working with children in public schools.

    So, with Facebook my identity becomes apparent and half my grammar school class as well as my entire family are linked to me there–something that is not true on any other site. So, if that is where the CIA is concentrating, then, I am screwed as far as being anonymous.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    As opposed to snubbing you, Pablo, I was sort of mocking myself. (Brilliant as I am at subterfuge…I’d make a great spy.)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’ll tell you what, Pablo. I’ll read Gravity’s Rainbow – I like Pynchon anyway, and I heard only good things about this book (as well as about V and skim through the other, deal?

  • Mark

    (Gravity’s Rainbow? My all-time favorite book. Re-read it every few years on general principles and to keep on that paranoid edge. Probably time to disappear with my ragged copy for a few days.)

  • pablo

    Jeannie Jeannie Jeannie,

    My and I thought I was oversensitive. First of all the comment about my gf was in jest. The blurb about a suicide hotline was something that I had just that minute come across and found it very funny, it was in no way connected to anything else that I had to say to you or about anything else.

    If I do not read a word you write Jeannie, then why did I ask for your clarification of a republic versus a democracy? It is true however that I frequently find comment threads much more interesting than the actual articles. Sue me.

    I was NEVER trying to belittle you with the suicide prevention comment, my first belittlement of you came after you called me a sellout then did not have the decency to explain yourself to me when asked.

    I also gave you ample time last night (your time) to explain yourself, which you chose not to. As I said to you yesterday Jeannnie, I had never uttered so much as a disparaging remark towards you before in any way shape or form.

    I hope that this clarifies my position to you Jeannie, and that you can believe what I say, because it happens to be the truth. BTW the honeys and dears were sarcasm, which I use frequently when I am being sarcastic. I know that we are not close and probably never will be.

  • pablo

    Deal Roger. :)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger,

    Clavos was absolutely right the day he tore your head-off.

    “You do attempt to control commentators and run up behind everyone trying to get your superior-two-cents in.”

    If you can’t come back down to this planet, then, go back to American Pie where you can appear to be the greatest-philosopher of all time. I’m really
    tired of it.

    You either speak way above my head or when speaking directly to me, you dummy-down…

    And now, you play this little passive-aggressive-crap, by talking about and to me but not at me.

    :[ Not much else to say right now.

  • pablo

    Cindy,

    Thanks for your clarification. Speaking of camps, there is an excellent new movie out called “Camp Fema” I have seen it and imho it is excellent.

    I also want to share with you an excellent resource for conspiracy torrent, this movie is available there as well as tons of other juicy good stuff, that you won’t find anywhere else.

    conspiracy torrent site

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    OK, Jeannie. I tried. There’s nothing more to be said.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I read V and the Crying of Lot 49, I recall I liked them. Can’t say what they were about now. I will have to try Gravity’s Rainbow, sometime.

    (Does Jeannie make you feel sort of like a dog toy, Roger?)

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    One can never be sure one is ever really loved or whether just picking us up and shaking us around growling is what’s most loved.

  • pablo

    My Jeannie, do you have a split personality? Take a chill pill or a bong hit girl.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    So if all of the house critics are now satisfied, then I will move on to other topics…

    I just love it that the literary club is visiting this thread today.

    and I really mean this in a nice way…I like to read over all of your shoulders.

    :] Just don’t ask for a cup of Tea, I only serve coffee.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I would rather say that I’m proactive (instead of reactive) when it comes to my affections.

    Besides, I no longer make the old mistake of looking for love in all the wrong places.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Pablo,

    I don’t take sedatives or stimulants or smoke…pollutes the body and mind. I need my liver and lungs for all this living I want to do.

    But, perhaps I should pour a glass of red wine..now that’s good in moderation…

    You, on the other hand should stop both Pharmas and smoking, maybe this is why they are all accusing you of being a conspiracy nut.

    :] hmmm?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I will get the subject back to my article…this is also part of the game here…I know, I’ve played it too.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Okay this looks amazing. I am downloading the torrent right now.

    The American Ruling Class by Lewis Lapham – “A dramatic, musical, documentary satire on class in America that attempts to answer the question ‘Who rules America?’ ”

    Here are some links with info and scenes.

    Trailer and Info – At the production studio’s site.

    Empire Falls and Info – At the film site.

    an unspecified number

    Nickled and Dimed

    References: Howard Zinn, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Barbara Ehrenreich

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna
  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    STM,

    We really cannot wait while everyone continues to stonewall and divert the real problem in this country.

    We need Single-Payer-health-care, yesterday.

  • pablo

    Ok Jeannie I did give you a chance. You will not get another one from me. Have it your way dear. :)

    For what its worth, not that its any of your damned business, I haven’t had a toke in 6 months, (not by choice, I am in a country where it is highly illegal) I dont’t do pharmas, and never have. I used to ingest tons of psychedelics but havent in close to twenty years. I have been drunk maybe ten times in 50 years.

    Now that we got that out of the say sweetie, thank you for showing me your true colors in post 107. Bye bye Jeannie.

    By the way your article sucked, which is why I never really commented on it, I was just curious if you knew the difference between a democracy or a republic, obviously you don’t.

    Cindy,

    Glad you like the site, there is always new stuff on there. Enjoy.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    STM,

    I am trying to figure this one out?

    And thanks Jeannie … but I’m only half joking.

    “I’m coming from a selfish point of view here too. As an Australian, it’s also in my interest to see an America not diverging from the path and the American people maintain the major role in the American political process, and I don’t believe the machinations, nods and whispers that currently influence the US political process allow for that – and they haven’t for a while.

    That can’t be a good thing. You have to make your politicians understand that you run the country, not them. They are only your elected representatives.

    Too many politicians – here in this country too – forget that.”

    There is no joke here, we are not in power by no means right now.

    as long as there are only two sides nobody wins.

    :] going out for a while…I’ll be back.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Pablo. I actually didn’t find that there. Sorry, I was looking for a film I wanted to bring to your attention that I read about recently and I found that above via google. I thought you might like to check it out. It really does look brilliant!

    I will definitely check out the site you recommended and hopefully I’ll find the film I wanted to bring up.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Ruvy: “Don’t let it bother you Jeannie. You are not Jewish, and I do not feel any sense of obligation toward you to save you from a holocaust of death in the United States, a sense of obligation I do have toward Jews who live there.”

    Roger: You couldn’t have expressed your prejudice better, Ruvy.

    Interesting how living in Israel for two years taught you nothing about how a Jewish society works, Roger. Only that ignorance would allow you to call an obligation imposed on me by the Torah “prejudice”.

    Given how non-Jews have, by and large, not given a damn whether Jews lived or died especially in Poland and the Ukraine, I find your comments (and Cindy’s) especially telling. There is a very good reason the Torah tells us to watch out for our brother Children of Israel, Roger. Two thousand years of murderous attention by non-Jews has taught us to watch out for our own.

    If that is prejudice in your eyes, that is just too damned bad.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jeannie

    We really cannot wait while everyone continues to stonewall and divert the real problem in this country. We need Single-Payer-health-care, yesterday.

    You cannot afford to stonewall while your government continues to print money you do not have and refuses to address your underlying problems of low production, high debt and exporting capital and labor.

    You needed a universal health care program 50 years ago, when you had the money to pay for it. Today, you cannot afford any health care plans. Your country is over $3 trillion in the red for this year and about $50 trillion altogether….

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    And that is why, Jeannie, you have NOT kept your republic.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Ruvy,

    I don’t want to comment on the validity of the Torah. You regard it as the word of God – in a literal sense to boot – whereas I have reservations.

    But to the larger point – we all should be our brother’s keepers – and by “our brothers” I mean all, not just the Jews.

    To me, that’s a much more enlightened principle and rule for living than the restricted sense you place on it. Of course, there is justification on your part to think of the Jewish people first and foremost, especially in light of the history of persecution and hatred.

    My question is – Isn’t possible to rise above it?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Of course, there is justification on your part to think of the Jewish people first and foremost, especially in light of the history of persecution and hatred. My question is – Isn’t possible to rise above it?

    The real question you are asking is, “Why can’t you Jews keep playing Jesus while we non-Jews keep nailing you up on our crosses?”

    And the answer is, “they don’t make Jews like Jesus anymore.”

    We have had enough. Enough of your Jew-hatred; enough of your contempt; enough of your deliberate misunderstanding; enough of your attempts to delegitimize us.

    To elevate ourselves above the normal level of human savagery and feel safe – we have to murder a whole lot of you off first. So, instead, we’ll keep OUR law, no matter what your opinions or doubts are, and we will view you as fundamentally different from us – until you prove otherwise. You have a ways to go yet – and I’m not holding my breath waiting.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “To elevate ourselves above the normal level of human savagery and feel safe – we have to murder a whole lot of you off first.”

    That’s a hell of a statement, Ruvy.
    And thanks for telling me how long I have yet to travel, but no thanks.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I calls it like it is, Roger. And because I regard non-Jews as fundamentally different from Jews, you don’t have to travel at all.

    When Redemption comes, G-d can sort this stuff out. It’s above my pay-grade.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I was hoping that I could agree with you today Ruvy…

    I almost did when I read your words to me.

    “You needed a universal health care program 50 years ago, when you had the money to pay for it.”

    :] close.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Weiner Pushes for Single-Payer Plan:

    Most people prefer a single-payer-plan.

    What I find interesting is the snickering- childish-behaviour of the republicans in the House while Weiner speaks.

    This is a classic example of the obstruct and stall that we are so tired of. They actually get up and start walking in front of the cameras, literally trying to obstruct him from view.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    I like Weiner (even with his unfortunate name,) I think he’s a pretty smart guy. He’s certainly articulate. I dearly wish Obama and the rest had started the whole health care reform business demanding single payer. At the very least, it might have made a public option seem like a reasonable compromise – at least amongst blue dogs.

    B

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Baritone,

    I noticed one of the commentators on your thread started a post with, “I Win!”

    This tug of war, that is plaguing this country, cries-out for a real-third party.

    Where is it?

    If the Tea Party is the Republican Party, with a different persona, and, since changing your name doesn’t change who you are, then, changing your game-plan doesn’t change the fact that it is still just a game, to some…

    I am not saying that all Republican/ Conservative/ Democrats, and Independents are fools.

    I have many people from all political beliefs in my family, and, believe it or not, most can tolerate me-just-fine. ;)Matt

    So, the gutless wonders that we have elected into-office are now dropping like flies…You can really see someone’s true colors when they cannot: handle the heat, can no longer learn, and refuse to tolerate you or your beliefs.

    :0 Funny, that no one is calling Palin a quitter.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I hope that this name-game continues today, and, if there is anyone who hasen’t called me one yet…here is your opportunity. :}

    I have been called worse than some of the commentators in my thread have implied..ha ha

    But above-all, please continue to call me, “Obama Girl.” I like that! Because I also have the audacity to hope…for solutions and a middle ground where we can all at least move forward.

    So let’s get it all out here, shall we?

    Ruvy, doesn’t give a crap about me because I’m not Jewish?

    I’m not surprised then, that Christ broke away from this group. Because, he taught tolerance of all faiths and people.

    Consider this simple-fact; Christ, by today’s standards was not just a Socialist, he was a Communist.

    really scary words, eh?

    :] and the Christians, at least the ones that use Christ to protect their tax shelters, are blind to the true-teachings of their Icon.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    On to Pablo,

    When the going gets ruff, this one really runs away…from anything that I might say that hurts his feelings…God, if I was as emotionally challenged as you all try to paint me, I wouldn’t be commenting or writing here, that’s for sure.

    :| and Pablo, What’s this? “#58-I’m am all ears Jeannie. :)”-That comment yesterday went something like this “OK Jeannie I’m waiting and I know your awake,1 2 3 4 5 6 7…”

    :]I will have to be much more vigilant with the cut& paste feature on this computer.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Cindy, Cindy, Cindy,

    I only see you now when Roger and mArK are around to taunt and tease me like little kids on a play-ground. Though this is a very well-read playground. I’ll give you all that!

    BUT,

    Your #101 was one of my all-time-favorites from you yesterday…

    One can never be sure one is ever really loved or whether just picking us up and shaking us around growling is what’s most loved. Please keep on wondering, it exercises the brain.

    I didn’t catch the one comment you made here on your own, in the beginning of the thread, in-time to ask you, “What did you find good about this article?”

    A little-disingenuous wasn’t it?

    So, continue to e-mail each-other behind the scenes and maybe you can all figure out a game-plan similar to the one they are playing in DC right now, Obstruct and Stall.

    :] Chow

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna
  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I’m not sure, but I think this is the ‘Tower of Babble’.”

    If anyone, can explain what they are talking about over there I’ll give them a prize…

    :] I really want to learn from them.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    opps!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    This is the one year anniversary of the Reinvestment Act.

    We will not give up…no matter what.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger #10-A well-written article, Jeannie, perhaps the kind of things we need to hear,
    I see myself in it six-months ago, when I still believed. Today … I’m no longer certain.

    But there’s always hope.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    if you believe that the lack of a single payer healthcare system is going to cause financial ruin and I believe the opposite – that the single payer healthcare system itself will cause financial ruin. There is no opportunity for compromise. Zero. Nada.

    When I look at my Health-Care costs by the government for my VA coverage compared to my husbands private insurer, the differences are staggering. Look at what single-payer-health-care would actually cost.

    “Administrative costs are at 31% of U.S. health spending, far higher than in other countries’ systems. These inflated costs are due to our failure to have a publicly financed, universal health care system. We spend about twice as much per person as Canada or most European nations, and still deny health care to many in need. A national health program could save enough on administration to assure access to care for all Americans, without rationing.” PNHP-Physicians for a national health program.

    Now, as you can see in this link, there are many reasons to switch to a single-Payer-system.

    The savings in dollars for all of our taxpayers is the number one reason to take a chance on this idea.

    Now, look at private insurers:

    “Health care companies do not provide health care. They simply collect premiums from us, get the bills from doctors and hospitals, decide how much they are going to pay, and pay it. They are just pass-throughs. And they skim that 30% right off the top while doing it” quote by Bob Bourque of Los Alamos found in The Health Care Blog
    When I look at how much premium my husband has paid for health-care that he has used only once, it makes me want to sue that company for a full refund
    And, he only used his coverage for one emergency room visit after eating chicken soup that I made with the bones left in…that’s the way we used to eat it when grandma made it!

    So, it’s all my fault that he cost the system-that would probably not even cover
    him fully in a major illness or accident-a fraction of the profit that they reel in from all of us on a daily bases.

    His insurance costs continue to rise, as they tacked on another 13% to it this year.

    I say, “For What?”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Yes, Cannonshop,

    I want a nanny state!

    Hell , I want a government that is both intelligent enough to recover the economy and help capitalism to flourish for everyone ,and, at the same time have the correct amount of compassion to help those that need it.

    While you appear to want the Owner-Class Government. You are on your own, the hell with any needs you might have-only the wealthy survive in your world.

    No thank-you.

    :0 OMG, where did I get that liberal thought from? College?

    This comment belongs here.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Cannonshop,

    For all the brains and wisdom you feel that you posses, I don’t see one comment here from you.

    :0 Afraid to get your feet wet?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jeannie,

    I’ve told you time and time again that I believe in socialized medicine. And the United States ought to have adopted it, using a single payer system – or a mixed system like the Australians have. Heck, the first such bill was introduced in Congress in 1904 by Meir Levin (Soc. NY) 106 years ago!!! America should have adopted socialized medicine during the ’60s when we were kids.

    But when your government runs a $1.56 trillion deficit for FY 2011, and a $1.4 trillion deficit for FY 2010, totaling up nearly $3 trillion for the last two years, you cannot afford such luxuries.

    And you just need to grow up and accept this ugly fact. Reading this article by Sammy Benoit will not make the medicine go down easier – it will be more of an alcohol slap. But that appears top be what you need.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Jesus, Ruvy,

    Your link scared the hell out of me, but my scanner said it was clean!

    Now, when you try to throw all of your facts and figures out here, I’ll admit, it makes for a very impressive comment.

    But the fact of the matter is, all of this bitching about money doesn’t amount to an ant-hill.

    The wealthy are rolling in dough, more than at any-time in our history, since before the great Depression and before the American labour movement gained enough momentum to help the poor and huddled; this is what they are freaking-out about. Not the deficit!

    Where the hell are these people when it comes to standing up to the Military Industrial complex? Raking in their profits, that’s where.

    We-the-people want them to give to this system more than they are right now. So this is a class war, Ruvy, not a fiscally responsible call to arms as they portray.

    If anyone believes that I should not be speaking for any-one but me and mine. Put a sock in it…I speak this morning for my girlfriend-Robin-that died sleeping in a tent, in Florida, while she tried to earn enough money at a low-paying job, so that she could pay for an apartment, a room, anything!

    I speak for anyone that can’t!

    :0 I really didn’t say much to anyone for the first seven years of my life, but, once I started, I found out that I will never stop.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Kenn,-I’m bringing my comments home with me :}

    Look at what you wrote:

    The Founders wanted a limited government that made it hard for laws to be passed, otherwise the politicians would be meddling in every affair of our personal lives – like we have now.

    The founders, even in their limited wisdom, knew that this country would not always be sparsely populated and owned primarily by wealthy-white-landowners.

    Thus, we have amendments to that same constitution.

    This is the year 2010, and our present landscape and needs do not resemble that, “America of old.”

    :O Secede with the Tea-Party, the State of Texas, and Sarah Palin. Then, you’ll have a leader that watches-cartoons instead of studying history.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    But the fact of the matter is, all of this bitching about money doesn’t amount to an ant-hill. The wealthy are rolling in dough, more than at any-time in our history, since before the great Depression and before the American labor movement gained enough momentum to help the poor and huddled; this is what they are freaking-out about. Not the deficit!

    If the wealthy are rolling in “dough”, they will discover that this dough is worth less than toilet paper or a pack of Kools. Stocks and money will be worthless. If they have land that can be farmed, land that is owned free and clear, and the gold to pay workers to farm it, they will be rich. And the workers will think they are in paradise, even though they will be putting in 14 hour days for virtually no money at all.

    Anyone who has a mortgage today in the United States ultimately will see his land go to a foreigner. Anyone who has stock investments will lose his money. Anyone who has a bank account will lose his money. That is what is coming down the pike, Jeannie. That is what massive inflation, combined with price deflation, will mean.

    You need to exchange something of value in order to eat, Jeannie. That is the way of the world. Even a nanny-state cannot change that. If you haven’t anything of value to exchange, you will not eat. Having lived n the street in a Minnesota winter for a year (not by my own choice), I know what I’m talking about.

    This is what is coming in the near future.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Ruvy,

    You haven’t been watching all of these “turn in your old junk gold” commercials have you.

    You haven’t watched people being offered a mere pittance for their properties.

    Because, when the down are down, kick em the rest of the way!

    Luxury items are at an all-time high….

    :O Want to buy a yacht?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Ruvy,

    What’s in this for you? Why is it you left, but can’t stop from coming back-via the net?

    Why do you kick the one person that really likes you in the teeth?

    :0 Well, at least you have the guts to speak directly to me. Bye-Ruvy, I have to go get my house in order now. I really do like you, even though you hate me.:[

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jeannie,

    I left America because I want Jewish grandchildren. My father, who was born before there was a state, my great grandparents who were born and who died before there was a Jewish state, all kept the faith. They did not walk away, even if they had the opportunity. I owe them big time. In darkness they lived and died, in hope of the day when there would be light and freedom for their descendants.

    I come here because Eric Olsen lets my articles get published here. I’ve tried to go elsewhere, but it is harder – though I really ought to try harder – to get published and paid.

    I don’t dislike you, and I certainly do not kick you in the teeth. I tell you the truth, and genuinely appreciate that you try to listen. The things I have to say are HARD to hear, not easy. And more often than not, they are hard for me to write. If I tell you that your money will be worthless, at least you are relatively young and can try to figure out how to survive. But what about my 83½ year old father-in-law, half blind and stuck in a nursing home in St. Paul, with all of his investments in the toilet? When he loses it all, what will become of him?

    Go – straighten up your home so you will feel happy with everything in its place. This too, is a source of joy and happiness. Embrace it.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Thank You for that , Ruvy. You and I have more in common than we will ever know…

    :o Can you help me with this house too? :] byee

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Jeannie, Dont’ kill yourself over cleaning the house. It can become an obsession. If so, then you spend the vital energy needed to accomplish things more important. A few dust bunnies and cobwebs never did anyone harm.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Baritone,

    You never cease to amaze me…I know that you, are not just busting my chops…

    :]I’ll see you soon B. I’m working on a brand new dish…;)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    A good friend gave this to me, I think it describes all of us, not just me…

    and,

    If you don’t see a little bit of yourselves in this song, you are-really-only-lying to yourself.

    Remember,

    “To thine own self be true”-Shakespeare “And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou can not then be false to any man.” Unless we can be true to ourselves first, we cannot be true to others.- Quoted from, Dr. Irene’s Verbal Abuse (site!)

    :]I’m reading a lot these days.

  • John Lake

    Republicans don’t have much going for them these days beyond blatant obstructionism.
    That shouldn’t surprise us when you consider the party is apparently dominated by that impulsive John McCain. His best is “bomb-bomb Iran”, “The economy is fine..”, and his recent selection of a “hair-brain” for a running mate.
    I’m beginning to think that women don’t do well in politics. Hillary hasn’t knocked my socks off, nor the socks of the North Koreans. She doesn’t grasp complex ideas. Bill (Clinton) may not always be there to intervene, and to “save the day”.
    There seems to be a movement toward “Let’s forget the whole thing and have some fun!”
    Call it a “tea party”. They would stress personality more than principle, and have a mild disregard for anything approaching wisdom.
    Neo-Socialism (while we are on the subject of “neo”) is not so new at all. The government regulates our schools, monitors what we eat, what drugs can be sold… The government enforces our laws, and protects in general our freedoms. In difficult times the government has to have the authority to make radical change.

    It seems there still might be hope for a “Public Option” in a new healthcare bill.
    This would give the government a base from which to monitor procedures, testing, and referrals, as well as the broad area of preventative medicine. If costs are kept down, the insurance companies can require lower premiums, and the good citizens will be the ones to benefit.

    Someday perhaps Americans will be motivated to “take to the streets” (as do the people of Iran), in the face of intolerable corruption and undue influence by groups with no public conscience. We must realize that in the real world systems of governments rise and fall, and when people become placated or begin to ignore the day to day incursions into our democratic system, tomorrow may be a day too late.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    John,

    I can’t agree with your statement that women don’t do well, you have to realize that they are really out-numbered.

    And,

    I never saw Hillary as the answer, not because of Bill, but because of her comfort with this tired-old-system.

    Between these two-parties, Obama is still the fresh choice.

    It is the Republicans that are holding us back.Now,that we can agree on!

    I think the formation of a real-third party would bring balance and help end this two choice power-struggle.

    :} Thank you for commenting! and Please write something here.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jeannie,

    One good song deserves another. This tune is in Hebrew, but I was able to find one video on Youtube that has an English translation.

    This song was written by Naomi Shemer, who also wrote the song “Jerusalem of Gold”, a song that is painful to listen to 43 years after the victory in 1967 seems to be slipping away in the hands of fools and cowards.

    None of us have loved enough or done enough that it might be said of us when we die, “he was full of days”.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Ruvy,

    Thank you, I’ll have to listen to it after I finish this.

    :] It’s a surprise.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Ruvy,

    That was very up-beat , but, your right it is sad to think of all the things that we want to accomplish in this life…maybe someday I will write that story…

    :0 Right now, I’m still trying to write an article that everyone will read. Waite… I still need to read, yours!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jeannie,

    Now that you had your song, you need to see where I get my perspectives on economics. Victor Davis Hanson is a professor and a writer of books – but the important thing you need to know about him is that he is a truly productive member of society – he is a raisin farmer. He grows food! He does something so few Americans do – he produces something!

    This article is not designed to make the medicine go down. It is to show you what can happen because the medicine is not being administered. As Dr. Hanson points out, capitalist countries are not the only ones that go broke.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Ruvy,

    We should have a government that recognizes the needs of those that can’t and the potential of those that can.

    What we have here is a system of privilege and legacy, that has gotten out of hand.
    Example:

    My husband had a friend who was absolutely brilliant in college, he graduated with a 4.0 average from Buff State. Yet, when he applied to go on to Medical School he was denied because he was not sponsored. His Parents even tried to pay cash, but the answer was still no; he ended up going to the university at Madison, Wisconsin and recieving a PHD, with high honers.

    Now, this is just one story of thousands across this nation. It’s not what, but who you know, and that is wrong.

    We have flooded our schools with so many teachers that they trip over each-other trying to find employment after graduation here.

    But, a physician? That would bring the earning power of the collective down, if there were too many fresh out of med school.

    So, I cannot agree with the following statement from Pajama Media:

    (A citizen who believes by birthright that he is to be taken care of by the state always hates the state that can never do enough, in the fashion that the country who is taken care of militarily always hates its protector.)

    Now, we should all have the full-birth-rite-of equal-opportunity, and Universal-Not For-Profit-Health-Care. Sorry, I had to get that in here somewhere. :]

    Do you write for Pajama Media? They are all from the States?

    Am I going to chew-you-out after I read your article? Because I don’t want to fight with you…

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jeannie,

    Do you write for Pajama Media? They are all from the States?

    I don’t have any articles there, Jeannie. I’d like to, but I don’t think they want anyone who espouses a religious POV, and that is exactly what I espouse. My POV is based on the Hebrew Bible, Jeannie, and the Talmud, and the Holy Zohar.

    Besides, I’m not a conservative (except for being a fiscal conservative – you don’t spend more than you take in, or you get in big trouble eventually), and I’m considerably more “liberal” than those around me are in terms of how you run a society.

    For all my “liberalism” in a socially conservative community, my kids are more mature and better behaved than those around them; except for very occasionally drinking a bit more liquor than they ought, they avoid drug abuse and cigarettes, do not appear to gamble, or have other stupid habits I see and hear about.

    The writers at Pajamas Media are all pretty much from the States, so except for reading Dan Miller’s articles, I concentrate mostly on the articles there that deal with the Middle East.

    As for your problems with Victor Hanson’s quote, he is partially right and partially wrong. Israel is very much the nanny-state. There is cradle-to-grave medical care here and it is pretty good medical care. In addition, there is paid maternity leave, generous disability allowances, mother and baby care, and a whole lot more. The attitude it has generated among Israelis is called in Hebrew magí’a li which means “it’s coming to me”. In addition, the tax system guarantees that it does not pay to earn more than a certain amount of money in salary a month. A lot of Israelis see and have the attitude that the sky should be the limit – they want to go to America because they sense that this is true there.

    What they forget is that in addition to having the sky as the limit, failing in America can mean falling off a cliff – which is what happened to me after getting kicked out of law school. My life circled the drain until my (ex) wife couldn’t stand me any more and I wound up on the street. But I digress.

    Anyway, those Israelis with a magí’a li attitude never are willing to make the effort to do enough, and they resent the State because this is a poor country and it cannot do enough for them.

    I’m getting tired and starting to ramble – never a good habit in trying to make an argument. Maybe I’m tired because it’s after 03:00 in the morning here….

    Damn, I gotta get to bed!