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“Remember, remember the fifth of November, the Gunpowder Treason and Plot,” was the bellowing cry of the patriot-hero from the dystopian classic V for Vendetta. Such a battle cry was used to commemorate Guy Fawkes’s attempt to destroy British Parliament and all of the corruption it housed in 17th century England. Corruption and tyranny are a natural, degenerative characteristic of any society. It takes the remembrance and dedication of a society to their founding principles and values to sustain a free society rid of power hungry tyrants and dictators.

It also happens, ironically, that the fifth of November marked the arrival of the Tea Party Express, a traveling political awareness group that organizes conservative political rallies on the steps of state capitols across the nation. It is TPE’s goal to reinvigorate American citizens and bring America back to its conservative roots.

My mother came down from Tulsa to go to the rally with me. You don’t often find that kind of patriotism anymore; driving an hour and a half to go to an hour-long rally to support our nation’s welfare. It was 5:45 when we arrived at the steps of the capitol building in Oklahoma City. It was a beautiful night and the sun was just beginning to set. There at the capitol were already over a thousand people assembled for one virtuous cause: freedom. The Tea Party Express bus had not yet showed up to the capitol, so in the meantime the MC for the evening was allowing ordinary citizens use the microphone to address the assembly about their concerns and feelings pertaining to the way our government is currently being run. Most were people concerned about their freedoms being taken away, like their right to choose their own health care. Others were simply there to encourage and thank everyone for being dutiful in involving themselves in the cause of restoring liberty to our nation.

At one point a man was talking about the issue of health care. He explained adamantly that it was not simply a matter of reforming the health care system; rather, it was a matter of freedom and liberty. He went on to say that the ideas of restoring freedom and liberty may seem overzealous and silly; however, it truly is an issue that we should be concerned with. The man explained that when you give away your rights to the government, it is near impossible to regain them.

Now, as a college student I am often too busy to keep up with such issues and don’t have much time to watch the news or read the paper. I was stunned to see how fervently these ordinary citizens sought to defend their God-given rights as Americans. I typically hear of political issues and dismiss them as having not much to do with me. How wrong I was! It is the innate responsibility of every American citizen to take interest in our country’s welfare and fight for the protection of the rights so many men before us have died for. The stories of everyday men and women sharing their views and their hardships gave me a whole different view of liberty. These people were mad, and demanded reparation for the blunders of the current administration. I was appalled when someone explained how much money the government had given to banks and other institutions, basically rewarding them for their own incompetence. One person reminded the audience that such actions as the government acting as a national bank and lender is one of the pillars of a socialist government. How had we strayed so far? I thought to myself.

Then, finally, the bus arrived with its ardently patriotic crew. Before any of the crew addressed the growing crowd, a local pastor from Oklahoma City opened the rally with a prayer. The bustling mass of people immediately grew silent to pay respect to a God long forgotten by the leaders of our nation. I was moved by the conviction with which this pastor spoke. He spoke of the discarded reverence of which our nation used to have for the one and only God. He spoke of the faith of men like Abraham Lincoln who once led our nation. The culmination of the prayer ended in a resounding Amen, one which I knew was a genuine plea for God to restore just leaders to a crumbling nation.

Mark Williams, a political analyst and author who frequently speaks on MSNBC and FOX News, was the next to speak. Mark is a Republican in name only. He explained that our current political situation is not an issue of right vs. left, or Republican vs. Democrat. Rather, it is a situation of right vs. wrong. Mark explained that our nation was founded on conservative values such as responsibility, frugality, moderation, and faith. He brought up the famous quote of the brilliant American statesman, Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” We are currently in an era with a surplus of tyrants like Obama and his political machines and corrupt band of czars, and in need of more concerned patriots. Williams went on to encourage the audience with the news of recent governor victories by conservatives in states like Virginia and New Jersey, both of which overwhelmingly supported Obama in the last election.

The evening went on with more passionate speakers set on the rejuvenation of our nation. One speaker, an OB/GYN doctor, said that, in his professional opinion, the next elections will be like giving Washington a giant enema. By the end of the evening the some 2,000 or more modern day patriots were filled to the brim with passion and a zealous desire to change America.

“Remember, remember the fifth of November,” a fictitious patriot once said. And, indeed, I will remember the fifth of November of 2009. It was a day which served to open my eyes to how quickly a nation can fall to the false promises of hope and change at the hands of a sneaky dictator. I was reminded of the values of our nation and that the strength of such should lie in the hands of the people and not in those of the government. For a people should not fear its government, rather, a government should fear its people.

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  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Nice read. I’m no conservative, not at least by your standards. But, on the other hand, I do not live in the States either – not anymore. And I’m glad of it, seeing what has happened to a nation I was once proud to live in.

    Nevertheless, people like you, who do have a real love for your country, as well as a respect for and fear of G-d, are the hope of your nation.

    Blessings from Samaria
    Ruvy

  • Arch Conservative

    It’s nice to see that there are some young people capable of resisting the leftist indoctrination that is going on at our colleges and universities and thinking for themselves.

    I’ve never been to OK but i suspect that many Universities, even in red states, are similiar to the cess pool breeding grounds of political correctness, leftist revisionist history and moonbat intolerance that I’ve been witness to on many a campus here in the Northeast.

    Congrats on not being a weak minded fool and lapping up every last word from every last deadbeat 60’s remnant, relic professor claiming to speak the undisputable truth John.

  • Scott Deitche

    So basically, the only way to be a real American is to be a white Christian with a peripheral knowledge of American history.

    Good to know. (insert rolling eyes)

  • Mark

    too many comics and movies…

    The rhyme that you quote was one of angry backlash:

    “Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
    The Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
    I know of no reason
    Why the Gunpowder Treason
    Should ever be forgot.
    Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, t’was his intent
    To blow up the King and Parli’ment.
    Three-score barrels of powder below
    To prove old England’s overthrow;
    By God’s providence he was catch’d
    With a dark lantern and burning match.
    Holloa boys, holloa boys, let the bells ring.
    Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
    And what should we do with him? Burn him!”

    TPers might do well to keep that in mind as they dance around their bonfires.

  • Doug Hunter

    Oh my boy. You’ve used the F-word and the L-word in front of leftists, they foam at the mouth at the mention of freedom and liberty because they stand in opposition to their statist policies.

  • Mark

    So, Doug, you think the options offered by the TPers are non-statist? ‘Smaller government’ ends up being bigger government pretty much every time.

    Freedom and liberty indeed.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Two thumps up on this article!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Scott, I see no way that your bigoted comment could rationally be derived from this article.

    Dave

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “so many men before us have died for.”

    I am sure the women who have died for us and their families don’t appreciate your ignorance.

    “These people…demanded reparation for the blunders of the current administration.”

    And nothing from the former? So the TPers are partisan hacks as well?

    “to a God long forgotten by the leaders of our nation.”

    What a crock. You apparently “don’t have much time to watch the news or read the paper” if you think this is the case.

    “tyrants like Obama”

    How did you get to be a senior without taking any history classes because you obviously don’t know what the word “tyrant” means?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    It’s nice to see that there are some young people capable of resisting the leftist indoctrination that is going on at our colleges and universities and thinking for themselves.

    Damn, I find myself agreeing with Arch on the substance not the merit. I agree that what’s being spewed at certain institutions like Harvard, MIT, BC and other “liberal” institutions is dangerous. YThe same can be said for BYU, Liberty U and other conservative colleges.

    The problem, Arch, is that colleges and universities are supposed to TEACH and DEBATE and allow students to draw their own logical conclusions. I had a great logic professor at Providence College who really drove that point home. Arch, we do our children a disservice by not encouraging exploration of all ideas and alternatives. No one faction has all the answers. We are supposed to live in a vibrant, living society that evolves and, like it or not, the far right is hell bent turning this country into a militant Christian republic. I’m in full support of Conservative principles being a vibrant part of the political dialog. But when some of those right wingnuts throw God into the mix, they really do sound like Taliban leaders more than Christ.

    These Tea Parties are a joke. The fact that it’s been proven FOX News has misrepresente4d graphics of tea parties is another clear example of just how far some of these radical righters will go to advance their cause. Above all else, news organizations must be held accountable in assuring that “news” reported is fact and not accompanied with old footage or props. If we found a way to return to the Cronkite brand of journalism there is no doubt in my mind we would become a more conservative society insofar as government and its’ intrusion on our lives. Abortion, gay marriage and interracial marriage are not integral to the operation of government. Those on the Far Right AND the Far Left are responsible for injecting societal issues into a political process which detracts us from the most important issues of the day.

    Rather than rely on today’s “conservatives” for information on the conservative cause, we should look to history. Barry Goldwater’s brand of conservatism, as well as Reagan’s, is no longer the “scripture” of conservatism. It’s been replaced by people like Falwell, Robertson, Mormons, etc.

  • zingzing

    dave, look at the comment above it. and “bigoted” is becoming your new “liberty.”

  • zingzing

    archie: ” i suspect that many Universities, even in red states, are similiar to the cess pool breeding grounds of political correctness, leftist revisionist history and moonbat intolerance that I’ve been witness to on many a campus here in the Northeast.”

    THAT’S what you got from college? what about drugs and sex and music? parent-less existence? you obviously were too busy having a stick up your ass to really experience the place.

  • zingzing

    doug: “You’ve used the F-word and the L-word in front of leftists, they foam at the mouth at the mention of freedom and liberty because they stand in opposition to their statist policies.”

    that’s not why we dislike the words. we don’t even dislike the words. we just don’t think you even know what they mean anymore. it’s like “NEW!” on a package of detergent. it doesn’t mean new anymore… it’s just supposed to get you to look at the package. or “NOW 30% LARGER!” they made a bigger box. wow.

    you’ve reduced the words to mere slogans. i bet you can’t even tell the difference between them. sometimes, one of them sounds better in a sentence to you, but you don’t particularly know why… and they have become absolutely pointless words coming from the right. it’s like you don’t know what else to say, so you just utter a few “freedoms” and “liberties” and hope you can retain some interest.

    it’s completely transparent, and you aren’t fooling anyone. i mean, look at what you did. that’s all you have to say. that he used the words “liberty” and “freedom.” wow. thanks for the insight.

    what next? the words “the” and “words?”

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain
  • THAT’S what you got from college? what about drugs and sex and music? parent-less existence? you obviously were too busy having a stick up your ass to really experience the place.

    Therein lies the difference, zing. Conservative college boys put sticks up their asses while the liberals will just about try any other appendage or toy available. Does that mean conservative college boys are a splinter group or do they feel closer to the old wooden cross?

  • zingzing

    oh… silas…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    El Bicho why the dismay? Most children in the last 15 years have been taught that God created the earth and that science is only a theory. They’ve also been taught that George Washington was sent by go to set up a democratic theocracy in the new world, that the U.S. Constitution is a wholy CHRISTIAN document handed down by God, and that Noah had dinosaurs on the arc. The fact that he’s a “white Christian with a peripheral knowledge of American history” goes without saying.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’m what he considers a faggot, but I wan’t offended, I just felt sorry for him for misinterpreting the meanings of the word.

    My problem is no matter how hard I try, I can’t get the lisp and the limp wrist right.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Silas, that because we learned long ago that when wood gets wet; it expands.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Don’t take this the wrong way, Jet. This is etymology, not an attack on homosexuals.

    Apparently the term “faggot” was used to refer to the folks burned to heat up the fire hot enough to get the real baddies, the witches or Jews. These were the homosexuals. Put another way, faggots were the opening act to the big entertainment concerts of the 10th to 16th centuries – witch burning, and Jew burning.

    Ah, bless their Christian hearts, these lovely folks organized the concerts (and did the burning)….

  • John_McKoy

    El Bicho,

    To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.

    The Greek tyrannos (tyrant) was a ruler who seized power unconstitutionally or inherited such power.

    Have we evidence of President Obama’s “natural-born” status?

    You may think this is a silly point to be made. However, it shows how little attention our nation pays to the constitution anymore.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Have we evidence of President Obama’s ‘natural-born’ status?”

    Oh, so you’re a birther. That helps put this article into better context.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Most children in the last 15 years have been taught that God created the earth and that science is only a theory.

    Jet, sweetie, God did create the Heaven and Earth and everything else in the Universe. God is the Universe and the Universe is God. Everything in this Universe is connected, we just can’t comprehend how. It is in trying to explain that which is where we get into trouble and lots of blood is spilled.

    Paraphrasing my favorite vampire — Humans have an amazing capacity to accept suggestion without question.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Mark: I’m gonna have to take one of my “two thumbs up” down. Hmmm. Way more important things to worry about than Obama’s birth certificate. Let’s move on…he’s legitimate.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    And this is coming from a Christian, a Conservative, a “Tea Party” defender, including the one you attended on November 5th.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Barack Obama was born of a white woman in Hawaii and was wrapped in swaddling clothes and laid in a manger. He traversed the globe, learned different cultures, came from a “different” father. Gee, after all that the far right is gonna declare him the antiChrist!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I knew that Ruvy, that’s why in England a faggot is a match stick

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Dear God John, not again-PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Jesus H Christ will this never end?

    I just fired my proffraeder…
    :)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Silas-John probably missed the highschool geography lesson about Hawaii being a state.

  • Baronius

    “Most children in the last 15 years have been taught that God created the earth and that science is only a theory.”

    That sentence is as wrong as the one questioning President Obama’s place of birth.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Baronius, I don’t know how it was in your neck of the woods but here in Ohio when Bush gave the religious “right” a license to teach, bibles began showing up on science teacher’s desks and kids were taught to believe the gospel’s version of creation instead of science’s.

  • Scott Deitche

    David- I fail to see how my comment was bigoted. I have no qualms against white Christians, having been one myself (still white though). My point was the article infers an American ‘revolution’ patterned on an underlying theocratic ideology. And the whole notion of the tea party and the co-opting of the founding fathers shows that most people are spoon fed versions of the founding fathers that are simplistic in scope and fail to encompass how complicated and nuanced they really were.

    Anyhoo. Sorry if it came off as snide, but it most assuredly was not bigoted.

  • John_McKoy

    Geez, sorry I love the constitution, Christine. Do you have the documentation of his “legitimacy”? Because no one else can seem to find it. Hmmm… oh well, let’s just let anyone be president. How does it not strike you as odd that NO ONE has seen his birth certificate? Maybe it’s just me being an ignorant, mid-western, white, heterosexual, Christian, college student. But hey, that’s my God given right isn’t it. Oh wait, I forgot we cant say God either, thats politically incorrect. My bad.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh please don’t make me quote all of our founding fathers again about the importance of the separation of church and state…

    I didn’t save all that research from the last time, so I’ve nothing to copy and paste unless I go through it all over again.

    IT’S ALL BULLSHIT-They were about the farthest thing you can find from religious nuts, or even casually religious and most were determined to keep christianity OUT of our constitution.

  • Baronius

    From March 2004 to February 2006, Ohio state lesson plans included criticism of evolutionary theory. Similar standards were in place in Kansas from November 2005 to February 2007. That’s not “most children in the last 15 years”.

  • John_McKoy

    Speaking of separation of church and state, Jet, what are your thoughts on the nomination of Judge David Hamilton to the Seventh Circuit of Appeals? Guy’s got a real upstanding/fair history…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Here’s only one example… and from Fox news:

    MOUNT VERNON, Ohio — A public school teacher taught creationism in his science class and used a device to burn the image of a cross on students’ arms, according to a report by independent investigators.

    Mount Vernon Middle School teacher John Freshwater was insubordinate in failing to remove a Bible and other religious materials from his classroom and continued to preach his Christian beliefs despite complaints by other teachers and administrators, according to the report released Thursday by consulting firm H.R. On Call Inc.

    The Mount Vernon school board voted 5-0 Friday to pass a resolution of intent to terminate Freshwater’s contract. Board attorney David Millstone says Freshwater is entitled to a hearing to challenge the dismissal. A lawyer for Freshwater says he will request such a hearing.

    The report, which was conducted by independent investigators, comes one week after a family filed a federal lawsuit in Columbus against Freshwater and the school district, saying Freshwater burned a cross on their child’s arm and that a burn mark remained for three or four weeks.

    Freshwater’s friend Dave Daubenmire defended him.

    “With the exception of the cross-burning episode. … I believe John Freshwater is teaching the values of the parents in the Mount Vernon school district,” he told The Columbus Dispatch in a story published Friday.

    Several students interviewed by investigators described Freshwater, who has been employed by the school district for 21 years, as a great guy. But Lynda Weston, the district’s director of teaching and learning, told investigators that she has dealt with complaints about Freshwater for much of her 11 years at the district, the report said.

    A former superintendent, Jeff Maley, said he tried to find another position for Freshwater but couldn’t because Freshwater was certified only in science, the report said.

    Freshwater used a science tool known as a high frequency generator to burn images of a cross on students’ arms in December, the report said. Freshwater told investigators he simply was trying to demonstrate the device on three to eight students and described the images an “X” not a cross. But pictures show the images depict a cross, the report said.

    Other findings show that Freshwater taught the unreliability of carbon dating in support of opposition to evolution.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You may not know this John but abortion is a right given to women legally, and until it is overturned, every judge’s duty is to uphold that right until it’s taken away.

    If roe vs wade IS overturned, it will be the duty of every judge to see that abortion in all of its forms remains illegal. UNTIL THAT TIME abortion by law is to be safe and legal to all women who want one and any “reactionary” judge, be he a sitting one or nominee is to uphold that law-TO DO OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THEIR OATH TO UPHOLD THAT LAW.

    In otherwords anti-abortion judges are reactionary judges trying to legislate from the bench who are violating their oaths and should be impeached.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Because no one else can seem to find it.”

    100% false. Feel free to do some research rather than just accept what you are spoon fed. It took seconds to find this online:

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

    Unless you can find some proof Fukino is lying, I’ll take his word over yours.

    “Maybe it’s just me being an ignorant”

    Quoted for truth.

    btw, how do you love the Constitution but don’t know to capitalize it?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    No piece of paper, no amount of proof is going to convince birthers that Obama is the legitimate president-because they don’t want him to be.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    You know, this whole freedom and liberty thing smells a bit like stinky gym socks. I still can’t figure out where all the Tea Party people were when Bush admin was spending all their money on wars and taking away rights ‘left and right’. I don’t recall any tea parties for those years. Suddenly, look up in the sky it’s TP Man* who seems to have overlooked wire-tapping and patriot acts, state secrets privileges, rendition, torture, wars and war profiteers, militarization of police and all sorts of other infringements on liberty for years and years of Republican rule. Now he’s wide awake and ready to what???? descend on Washington to fight healthcare, socialism, and Obama’s birth certificate???!!**

    I think you are mostly a bunch of financially tight, greedy, Neo-McCarthyites. So from now on I will call you the Neo-McCarthy movement.

    *A serendipitously named super hero, since TP is what should be used to clean up what is generally put out by the Neo-McCarthyites.
    **this comment is partly co-opted. (i.e. I stole the bit I liked.)

  • Baronius

    Cindy, they had jobs back then.

    Jet, I’m assuming that burning students isn’t part of the new curriculum. I’m also guessing that most students over the last 15 years weren’t burned by their science teachers. If teachers start burning children every few months, we should start taking that threat seriously.

  • John Wilson

    Is the author advocating the murder of the president?

    “…“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” We are currently in an era with a surplus of tyrants like Obama…”

    Isn’t that illegal?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    The most convincing evidence that our government did not ground itself upon Christianity comes from the very document that defines it– the United States Constitution.

    If indeed our Framers had aimed to found a Christian republic, it would seem highly unlikely that they would have forgotten to leave out their Christian intentions in the Supreme law of the land. In fact, nowhere in the Constitution do we have a single mention of Christianity, God, Jesus, or any Supreme Being. There occurs only two references to religion and they both use exclusionary wording. The 1st Amendment’s says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . .” and in Article VI, Section 3, “. . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

    Thomas Jefferson interpreted the 1st Amendment in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in January 1, 1802:

    “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”

    Some Religious activists try to extricate the concept of separation between church and State by claiming that those words do not occur in the Constitution. Indeed they do not, but neither does it exactly say “freedom of religion,” yet the First Amendment implies both.

    As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom:

    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

    James Madison, perhaps the greatest supporter for separation of church and State, and whom many refer to as the father of the Constitution, also held similar views which he expressed in his letter to Edward Livingston, 10 July 1822:

    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”

    Today, if ever our government needed proof that the separation of church and State works to ensure the freedom of religion, one only need to look at the plethora of Churches, temples, and shrines that exist in the cities and towns throughout the United States. Only a secular government, divorced from religion could possibly allow such tolerant diversity.

  • John_McKoy

    Do you have a life besides blog critics bicho?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    How did you get to be a senior without taking any history classes because you obviously don’t know what the word “tyrant” means?

    shhhh El-B…

    He’s an advertising guy. He’s interested in a career where the name of the game is distorting reality and pretending made up stuff is real. He will likely spend time figuring out how best to lie to people and point them in a direction that makes their lives more meaningless, while lying to himself about what he’s doing. It’s likely, in such a field, best for one’s mental health to stick with a very superficial understanding of the world. I imagine that old wive’s tale applies. You probably don’t want to wake these people up, it’s likely dangerous.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    As usual you’re deflecting from the point Barious-which isn’t unusual-Once the religious right began taking over school boards at Bush’s encouragement, they felt free to dispute science in favor of religion.

    I did after all say that it was only one example.

  • Baronius

    One example of a crazy person. The point, as I understand it, is the veracity of your statement that “Most children in the last 15 years have been taught that God created the earth and that science is only a theory.” This new statement of yours is different, and equally wrong. The religious right has been active in school board elections since before Bush I’s presidency. To my knowledge, our science education has fallen with the same trajectory as other subjects.

  • John_McKoy

    Cindy-
    Hope your gettin’ your jollies berating someone probably 30 years younger than you. You keyboard warriors are sure something to be admired!

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    John McKoy, who doesn’t have time to keep up with the news, is very quick to swallow whole, and without question, the ideology of the tea-baggers. It’s sad that a college student shows so little intellectual curiosity, but instead just repeats some tired extremist cliches.

    The ‘birther’ nonsense has been so thoroughly discussed and discredited by even the more conservative voices on Blogcritics that we shouldn’t have to rehash the arguments. Suffice it to say that the Honolulu newspapers in 1961 carried Barack Obama’s birth announcement. This is actually harder to refute than a government certificate or the lack thereof. And, by the way, has anyone ever asked for other presidents’ birth certificates?

    Calling Pres. Obama a tyrant is beyond ignorant. If you’d like to incite reasonable discussion on here, the use of at least a few of your brain cells is required, please.

  • John Wilson

    I think John_McKoy is advocating presidential assasination:

    “…“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” We are currently in an era with a surplus of tyrants like Obama…”

    It seems to me that the intention is made clear by the juxtaposition of these two clauses, especially with the term ‘tyrants’ in each.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    And to Doug and Dave and others who throw around the word ‘liberty’ like a weapon:

    I love freedom as much as you do, bub. But I object strongly to the twisted syntax that turns ‘liberty’ into a partisan political slogan.

    Hint: If Glenn Beck comes out in favor of a political ‘idea’ or plastic ‘protest,’ sensible people first giggle and then mover rapidly in the opposite direction. And then maybe giggle some more.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Hope your gettin’ your jollies berating someone probably 30 years younger than you.

    That is very close–pretty good! I will be 49 on Sunday. So, that is about 27 years younger?

    Look, I am sorry you decided to go into advertising. I’m sorry for anyone who does. I had nothing better to do than make snarky jokes at your expense. I am pretty sure you aren’t crushed. I know it is a bad habit, but I tend to make fun of what I find absurd.

    But, there’s nothing to debate here. I agree with what handy said in #50. It is indeed sad to see such a lack of intellectual curiosity in a college student and the swallowing whole of ideologies that resemble Swiss-cheese.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Do you have a life besides blog critics(sp)?”

    I do. Although I don’t see how that changes the fact you don’t know what you are talking about. How do counter Fukino’s statement?

    Wilson, if you think there’s an issue, go do something about it.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Posting false presumptions seems to be an unfortunate pattern with John.

    On your blog you state “Raging Bull sufficiently jump-started De Niro[‘s]…career”

    I understand the ’70s happened before you were born but De Niro had done Mean Streets, Godfather Part II, Taxi Driver, 1900, and The Dear Hunter during the decade and was at the top of the game, so how could Raging Bull give him a jump-start?

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Hi Cindy, great posts. But there are liberals in advertising, too. [Such as moi.] It’s not all evil! =)

  • Mark

    John #43 – Nah, he just wants to carve a little ‘tp’ in his forehead.

  • Mark

    erp #42 that is

  • Baronius

    Cindy, you just blew my mind. I don’t remember what you said that let me to believe it, but I thought you were in your early 20’s at most. This is the second time in a couple of weeks I’ve had my mental pictures destroyed – I put Zing at 57, and he’s less than half that.

  • John_McKoy

    Presidential assassination. HA! I love how riled up everyone gets!
    OK, what does everyone think about distribution of wealth?
    Ready… GO!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Hiya handy :-) That is true, you are not evil. So, there is at least one non-evil thing in advertising.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    It was probably just my infantile behavior Bar. ;-)

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    …is very quick to swallow whole…

    Hmmm. That seems to be a prevailing problem among uber-conservative males.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh and Bar, isn’t that pretty funny how the pictures we make about internet people differ than the real life people? When I first came here I pictured Dr.D with white hair and a white beard and maybe one of the golf-caps with a pompom on it or a pipe or a crotchety looking walking stick! Actually, I think he was eating some Walker’s Short Bread and drinking a cup of Tetley’s Tea*.

    *Knowing how you hate to be off-topic Bar, I thought I would bring my comment back on track. ;-)

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    zing is less than 30?????? Wow! I never would have guessed. I thought he was myu age and I’m 53.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I thought zing was exactly 30, no? When he discussed his age I felt sort of like a three-card monty victim.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “OK, what does everyone think about distribution of wealth?”

    is it funding your “education”?

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Silas, we are exactly the same age.

    I picture Doc D in a green hood with a metallic face, albeit nice, not like in the comic books.

    And can anyone tell me where Roger went?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I am opposed to redistribution of wealth. I suggest that the rich give everything back that was redistributed to them.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    And it occurs to me that we may have been a little hard on the author of this piece, who is after all, still a kid, no condescension intended.

    It’s not unusual for the young to get infatuated by the first strongly presented political ideas they come across.

    I’m just hoping he will open himself up to a range of ideas — and be as skeptical of Glenn Beck as he is of say, Nancy Pelosi.

    And also not feel the need to keep reminding us that he is a white, Christian heterosexual. If you are going to attribute political significance to these disparate facts, so will your liberal debating opponents here — and things could get superfluously ugly.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Roger is having great conversations with people doing graduate work on social constructionism and things. I am sure he would welcome your e-mail handy. His address is on his site.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh handy, must we stop ruffling John_McKoy’s feathers?

    I picture Doc D in a green hood with a metallic face, albeit nice, not like in the comic books.

    That is very cool. You have quite an imagination.

  • Clavos

    zing is 30???

    Damn, I thought he was 15, tops.

  • Clavos

    I am opposed to redistribution of wealth. I suggest that the government give back everything that was redistributed to it — in cash.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    …so will your liberal debating opponents here — and things could get superfluously ugly.

    Oh but it will be so spectacularly fabulous!

    …– and be as skeptical of Glenn Beck as he is of say, Nancy Pelosi.

    Pelosi is coming to Massachusetts this weekend to lend her support to Rep Capuano who is lagging in the polls behind Attorney General Martha Coakley. Ms. Coakley is a white hybrid of Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee. Politics are more important to her than doing that which is right. I had a Democrat pollster call last night and asked me to be certain to vote in the upcoming Senate primary. “We can’t let one more Republican into the Senate or we’ll see health care costs go up and interest rates go up,” he said. Well, that’s all I needed. I went off that much of this mess belongs to Bill Clinton and a Democrat Congress that has only one goal — special interest cash accumulation. By the time I done done with him he realized that I will not cast my ballot for any of the Democrats in the primary. We’re going out to replace Ted Kennedy — a man who can only be replaced by one person — his widow.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Oh, so you’re a birther. That helps put this article into better context.

    Or it makes us just move on to the next article.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    As for the redistribution of wealth, we have an excellent system to handle it already called the free market. It redistributes wealth in the direction of those who work to earn it. I find that entirely acceptable and see no need for a less rational alternative.

    Dave

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    The only wealth I want to see redistributed is the money that goes into campaigns. Campaign finance reform, baby. The second wealth I want to see redistributed is that which was accumulated by corporate CEOs who collected piles of cash but failed to perform. Aside from that, I’m with Dave. Let the free market handle the rest and what remains will “trickle down”.

  • Mark

    There’s nothing rational about the poverty amidst wealth that comes with actual versions of the free market. It is, in fact, absurd.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Thank you, Mark. I needed to read something sensible before I posted some frothing, spitting, glaring, nasty thing after reading Dave’s ridiculous comment. I feel much better now that you wrote that.

    It redistributes wealth in the direction of those who work to earn it.

    Yes, we can see how well that’s going.

    *Takes Dave’s comment over to the trash bin, steps on the thinggy-ma-jigger that opens it and drops it in. Then tosses a bunch of baking soda on top to cover up the smell.*

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Cindy? Have I told you today how much I love you? In a fraternal sense, of course.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Silas you big tease

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Ah, Silas…I surely do adore you. :-)

    I just finished downloading The Man from Earth, for tomorrow night, thank you. It sounds like something I will really like.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Please! Let me know what you think! Just try not to focus upon the fact the main character is a complete and utter piece of eye candy. It’s amazing dialog and incredibly subtle acting.

    What, Jet? I said in a sorority like way!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Isn’t he adorable Jet? One day I am going to marry him. I know what you’re thinking, but we can get around that part…we’ll just cheat on each other and if either of us get a keeper…we can just add him to the marriage. What do you think, good idea?

  • Clavos

    There’s nothing rational about the poverty amidst wealth that comes with actual versions of the free market. It is, in fact, absurd.

    I am particularly fond of absurdity; it epitomizes humanity.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh and Jet, don’t tell my husband. He sort of frowns on the idea of my dating, so I am pretty sure marrying other people wouldn’t go over well. I have no idea why.

  • John Wilson

    So, John_McKoy, are you advocating presidential assasination:

    “…“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” We are currently in an era with a surplus of tyrants like Obama…”

    Come on, stand up like a man and tell us what you intend by this statement.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Hmm. So many directions so little time. Look at it this way Cindy, instead of a Christian paternalistic polygamous sect, we’ll become a pagan maternal polygamous sect. Then, he can watch. And as one of the lines go in one of my favorite plays:
    “Two’s company, three’s a menage, baby!”
    — Boys in the Band

    I am particularly fond of absurdity; it epitomizes humanity.

    I am human, therefore absurd.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    #88 – There is no doubt in my mind that the Secret Service is in someone’s future with that line.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Cindy… Silas… you know it occurs to me that maybe the democrats should be fighting fire with fire. We should assemble a bunch of dumb dems and have them scream at the top of their lungs that Sara Palin never should have been a vice presidential candidate because they’re convinced that Alaska wasn’t a state when she was born… and since it was part of Russia, SHE’S A COMMUNIST!!!

    That’s why she resigned as Governor-she didn’t want anyone to know!!!!!!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Silas; I’ll hold the camera, but I’m not going to participate.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Trust me, Jet, the Republican Party doesn’t have the monopoly on dumb politicians. There are as many downright stupid members of Congress in the Democrat Caucus. The bottom line is we the electorate are the dumb ones. We’re seduced by the highly financed campaigns of our “neighbors” and, of course, it’s always everybody else’s Congressman but our own.

    I’m sitting here having a cup of tea at the Tea Party thread and I’m eating Hanukkah shortbread. All of a sudden I’m thinking of Ruvy.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    dear god you must be desparate

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    lol! I missed all the fun. Wow, that John Wilson is back with his weirdly robotic posts about assassination.

    The quote was about revolution John Wilson, not assassination. And in John_McKoy’s case, I am guessing the revolution would not involve damage to property let alone life. I take it as a sort of metaphorical blood-spilling of patriot and tyrant–more of a protest. You’re sure getting creepy, though, going on like that about assassination. Besides, he did reply in #59. He laughed; because your suggestion is preposterous.

  • John_McKoy

    Thank you, Cindy. And what fun it is!

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Actually Ruvy makes me smile. We don’t agree on much but I love his passion. Reminds me a lot of my babci years ago and her strident rants about Germans and Russians. See, Jet, everybody has their individual story concerning the journey in their lives. If we take the time to understand another’s trials and tribulations we come to learn more about ourselves. It’s a win-win situation. Look, I detest Ann Coulter’s positions with every fiber of my being. But I would love to take three hours and just sit and talk about all the issues of the day and learn how she came to evolve into the creature that she is. I’ll walk away respecting her, but the detestation of her ideology will remain.

    Anyway back to my shortbread and last cup of tea before I retire. Sleep tight, Jet & Cindy.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Ever get the feeling that Cindy is the den mother to a bunch of loud mouthed whiny cub scouts?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Silas, you don’t have a golf hat with a pompom do you? Never mind. Good night Silas, good night Jet, and good night John_McKoy. Sleep tight and don’t bite the bed bugs. :-)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I hate to interrupt the polyamorous festival, but I can’t exactly let the slams on the free market lie.

    The problem we have in America right now is that the markets are most decidedly NOT free. They are over controlled and distorted by state capitalism and monopolies. These are not natural parts of a free market and undermine the generally positive character of the free market.

    The role of government should be to regulate trade without interfering in it. Right now it is not regulating where it should and it is interfering far too much, with the result that the use of government benefits and subsidies is the best way to make money.

    Companies which play the government’s game prosper while those who try to go it on their own are coercively regulated into failure. This needs to end.

    The market does remain mostly free at the lowerst levels where small businesses and entrepreneurs operate, but if they become too successful they become targets of the government-monopolist alliance and are taxed and regulated out of business or into selling out.

    So let’s have a real free market and get the governemnt out of it.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    clavos: “Damn, I thought [zingzing] was 15, tops.”

    does that mean you don’t want to make out anymore? of course, i’m immature and foolish when we disagree. so are you. go sit on a yacht and think about it.

  • Clavos

    Hell, no, zing, I’m ultra liberal where sex is concerned; way back when I was 16 I lost my cherry to a 13 year old girl who was wwaaaayyy more experienced at the time than I was.

    I have no problem with you being only 15, I like youth…

  • Clavos

    Oh, and zing, I don’t sit on ‘em — can’t make any money that way; I sell ‘em (yachts, that is).

  • John Wilson

    McKoy #59

    “Presidential assassination. HA! I love how riled up everyone gets! ”

    Which answers nothing. It’s merely evasive.

    So, what are we to think about McKoys statement? That he was NOT advocating assassination, in spite of appearances? In which case he is insincere and a manipulator. Or should we think that he is mitigating his violent intentions? In which case he is a coward.

    Some liberals may think it is ‘tolerant’ to endure an advocate of assassination, but you’re wrong.

  • Lumpy

    Folks. The formula is simple and the proof is impossible to ignore. More government = less liberty.

    uncontrolled government will consume all wealth and every resource and take over all our lives in a gradual but inexorable process unless we all work to stop it.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    That’s better than the Bush system Lumpy where the WEALTHY consumed all of the wealth and stuck it in off shore banks instead of letting it trickle a drop at a time down to us.

    And that FACT is hard to ignore too

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh Mr. Wilson! (I said trying to do my best “Dennis the Menace” impression)… Do I have to school you to?

    ALL LIBERALS ARE NOT ALIKE-so stop fucking lumping the together.

    You damned heterosexuals are all like
    The vast majority of bank robbers are heterosexuals
    The vast majority of rapists are heterosexuals
    The vast majority of drunk drivers are heterosexuals
    The vast majority of liars are heterosexuals
    The vast majority of bigots are heterosexuals

    Therefore all heterosexuals are bank robbing, drunks who rape bigots… right?

    Liberal (he typed shaking his head in exasperation.)

    You conservatives are all alike.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    ooops, I forgot liars… sorry

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Per Dave’s #99:

    What large country in the world has less market regulation than the US? Where is this paradise of capitalism?

    And yet in Europe, in Japan, in India, even in prodigiously state-regulated China, there are successful businesses and a growing population of middle-class and wealthy individuals.

    No large country, including the US, will conform to your ideals of ‘liberty.’ Ever. Nor has it in the past. Ever. So why do you pretend you know what a country with such ‘liberty’ in it is, or what it would be like? Never been such a place.

    This massive false premise is what the whole fantasy/lie of radical libertarianism is founded upon. It’s all theory, no reality.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    That is not to claim that all government regulation is good. It is quite often wrongheaded, clumsy and counterproductive.

    But claiming that it’s always bad is false. It’s an attempt to reduce economic and political realities to a simplistic formula.

    Government regulation should be improved, streamlined, and should constantly be under critical observation. But without it we’d be in much worse shape than we are.

  • Lumpy

    Handy’s argument seems to be that since the other guy has his leg chopped off we should stop bitching about ourissing arm.

    Ridiculous.

  • Lumpy

    You know. Reading Cindy’s comments actually saddens me. She seems so deeply disillusioned and mired in destructive and antisocial beliefs. Reminds me of a lot of the troubled teens I knew in high school who had lots of questions and seemed incapable of listening to sensible answers. I always assumed people grew out of that phase, but maybe not.

  • Lumpy

    Jet by it’s nature wealth cannot be consmed. It is spent or saved or invested and all of those activities put it back into circulation creating jobs and paying salaries. Putting money in the hands of the wealthy is one of the most effective ways to redistribute it.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Reminds me of a lot of the troubled teens I knew in high school who had lots of questions and seemed incapable of listening to sensible answers. I always assumed people grew out of that phase, but maybe not.

    Jesus, you just outed the entire ultra right wing of the Republican Party.

    Silas, you don’t have a golf hat with a pompom do you?

    I don’t do pom poms. They’re too gay and remind me of men like Charles Nelson Reilly, Dom Deluise and Paul Lynde. If I’m gonna don a hat it would have to be in the vain of the Three Amigos. (Betcha thought I was gonna say Montgomery Clift, Chuck Connors and Michael Landon, huh?)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I repeat Lumpy, putting wealth in the hands of the wealthy is the best way to find it in an unnumbered Swiss account

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Wilson, put up or shut up. turn the guy in and stop blathering on about it

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I always assumed people grew out of that phase, but maybe not.

    Only when they become complete zombie robots, Lumpster. There is still time and hope for most to recognize that they knew much more then than they know now. That’s the reason they are troubled teens in the first place. Most recognize there are problems and have trouble with smooth adjustment to a screwed up world. It’s interesting that I remind you of those kids, there are many commonalities. Very astute observation.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    That hat thing was a hilarious Silas. I read that to my husband and now he wants to marry you. The Three Amigos…lol

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Why have I suddenly changed my mind about Gay Marriage?

  • Mark

    …by it’s nature wealth cannot be consmed.

    WTF are you talking about, Lumpy?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh great Mark, now he’ll explain it

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Why have I suddenly changed my mind about Gay Marriage?

    You mean it’s not about where we each get to pick which gay people we want to marry? Hmmm, I must have misunderstood something.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh I saw good movie that just came out yesterday-2012. It pretty much metaphorically stars Dave Nalle and Mark Eden. Except Mark Eden is black and Dave Nalle has more hair. Any guess who is the good guy and who is the bad guy?

    I have a serious question about this. Why does everyone recognize that the good guy IS the good guy if no one ever practices what the good guy says or does, but instead everyone leaves the theater and goes home mostly to act out, accept and defend what the bad guy promotes.

    How does that work?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    It’s about redemption. No matter how bad the bad guy is we hope that he realizes the error of his ways and redeems himself. Kind of like S&H Green Stamps or vendor coupons.

    Hey Cindy, wanna be the matron of honor when I marry your husband? I’ll get Jet to dress up as Edna Turnblad and perhaps we can get Motormouth Maybelle to do the singing.

    Jet: Why have I suddenly changed my mind about Gay Marriage?

    Poor Jet, always the bridesmaid never the bride.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Silas,

    It’s about redemption. No matter how bad the bad guy is we hope that he realizes the error of his ways and redeems himself.

    Hmmm, I don’t think that’s quite what I meant. I understand the redemption part. What I want to know is why they only want the good guy to win in the movie but in real life they defend, support, and act like the bad guy. In real life the bad guy is who they mostly seem to want to win.

    The wedding sounds good. Just make sure you get Queen Latifah for Maybelle. And my husband says that works for him and he will enjoy it much more than the time I volunteered him for the men’s hula contest. Really, I should have tutored him a little in how to best get the hip action going. The women next to me were whispering, “when is he going to start dancing?” (wince) I had to inform them that he was in fact doing his best, and instruct them to look really closely, as it was hard to see any movement with his grass skirt falling down like that.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Yawn.

    Just read McKoy’s article – yet another neo-con who is sure that because the guy he doesn’t like became president, that America is sure to fall into tyranny, the sky will fall, and we’ll all be forced to learn Arabic.

    Hey McKoy – if you’re SO worried about your freedom, how about doing some RESEARCH? Like, Google Bush’s Executive Order #51 and see how it gave him dictatorial powers if he so chose? How about checking how the Republicans in Congress would for all intents and purposes shut out the Democrats from negotiations on legislation (unlike the Democrats who accepted 181 amendments from the Republicans on the health care reform bill)? How about researching how the Bush Administration politicized so much of the NON-partisan branches of government, hiring and firing people for NON-partisan position, based on that person’s political beliefs?

    FYI, Mr. McKoy, America came closer to dictatorship under Dubya than under any president since Woodrow Wilson (with the possible exception of the McCarthy era). If you’d READ and STUDY history objectively, you’d find things a LOT different than what you’ve believed all these years.

    Let the FACTS determine your belief, rather than letting your belief determine the facts. That, sir, is why I’m no longer a Republican, no longer a racist, no longer a conservative who mistakenly believes that “the good old days” are the way it’s supposed to be.

    And here’s a good starting point, guy – relatively speaking, when is the most peaceful time in human history? RIGHT NOW…and it’s only getting better. That’s a true statement.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    If you’d READ and STUDY history objectively, you’d find things a LOT different than what you’ve believed all these years.

    It’s also getting OBJECTIVE teachers to teach historical fact from objective books which have recorded the same. Americans have a romanticized version of the Revolution. Deeper study into American Revolutionary dynamics reveals things were a bit different than that which is taught in public school.

    Let the FACTS determine your belief, rather than letting your belief determine the facts.

    That is the most sage advice I have heard in a decade. May I borrow that one?

    That, sir, is why I’m no longer a Republican, no longer a racist, no longer a conservative who mistakenly believes that “the good old days” are the way it’s supposed to be.

    Depends on your definition of conservative. There are aspects of conservatism that should be encouraged such as personal responsibility, conservation of resources and an effective government at a cheaper price. A true conservative also believes in the nuclear annihilation of K Street (metaphorically speaking).

    And here’s a good starting point, guy – relatively speaking, when is the most peaceful time in human history? RIGHT NOW…and it’s only getting better. That’s a true statement.

    It seems as we are headed in that direction but there remain too many factors at play. The defense industry needs war to survive. Republicans need fear of war and domestic terror to stay on the political scene. And Muslim extremists need to be purged from the Muslim world by their fellow Muslims.

  • Zedd

    John McCoy,

    I seriously thought you were joking. I was chuckling at all of the oddball emotions that were being expressed because I just knew that you were making fun of the people who went to the mic.

    Dude, get an education. Your frightening ignorance is forgivable because you are a kid but please read, read and read and HOPEFULLY in a few years you will be embarrassed of this article.

    However, regardles of your position, if you want to make a point, you have to answer the questions HOW or WHY. You mentioned that people’s liberties were being taken away, you never said HOW. You never even explained what you meant by LIBERTY. So what ends up happening is

  • Zedd

    Dave,

    @#8

    Are you alright? What was bigoted about Scott’s statement?

    This kid rights a really stupid article about who knows what (I don’t think he really knows) and then infuses a celebration of the idea that people should attack the President of the United States of America and all you can think to do is to chide Scott’s comment which is VERY reasonable and one that any “LIBERTARIAN” with half a brain would latch on to?