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A New Round of Anti-Obama Emails Spreads Virally Through the ‘Net

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Email is as much a part of our daily lives these days as the (land line) phone and television were a generation ago. Your BlackBerry buzzes and your email is instantly at your hip; blogs, websites, list servers, and forums abound. News travels warp drive fast through the wildfire ether of the “interweb.” And it's never too much farther away than the cell phone in your pocket or bag.

Real news and information mingles indiscriminately with half-truths, disinformation, exaggerations, conflations, and outright lies. The spread of false and damaging information grows epidemically faster than the debunkers and fact checkers can filter the shades of truth and reality. In its wake careers, political chances, the good names of people, and the truth itself lie in tatters.

An active member of the Jewish community, I received last month no fewer than 25 emails about Barack Obama, spreading lies as facts, and innuendo as confirmed information. Forwarded by friends and colleagues to warn recipients of the dangers of an Obama presidency to the Jewish community and to Israel, they originated elsewhere. I will not repeat here the nature of those rumors and falsehoods other than to say that they are simply wrong, spread maliciously, and cynically calculated by their originators to adversely affect Obama’s support within the Jewish community. What is more disturbing is that so may of the lies are easily refuted and verifiably wrong. But as they say, if you tell it often enough, a lie, no matter how blatantly wrong, becomes validated as “truth.”

Spreading rumors about candidates is not new. It is that dismal underbelly of campaign politics that reaches back through the generations. But the potency and speed of information traveling along those broadband pipelines grants easier access and greater voice to those who seek to abuse it — insinuation, innuendo, and lies all spreading virus-like into exponentially ever-expanding circles.

Just as the first barrage of emails began to slow to a trickle, a brand new version has begun to circulate within the community. These new anti-Obama emails have been forwarded to me by friends, who received them from someone else. I was one of 10 to 20 addressees on each email. And I guarantee that several of those 10 or 20 people will forward it to 10 more. And thus will it spread virus-like until it dies out. Or doesn’t. And it doesn’t matter that the statements in them are untrue. The anticipated damage will already have been done.

Again, the originators have clearly targeted Jewish voters intending, this time, to perpetuate innuendos and lies that had already been countered not just in the press, but had been decried as scurrilous and unfounded in widely-distributed open letters to the Jewish community from diverse groups of Jewish community leaders.

A letter signed by rabbis of every denomination as well as the leadership of several major Jewish organizations asserted that “these tactics attempt to drive a wedge between our community and a presidential candidate based on despicable and false attacks and innuendo based on religion. We reject these efforts to manipulate members of our community into supporting or opposing candidates.”

Additionally, a prominent group of Jewish senators also expressed great concern about the epidemic of “anonymous” emails attacking Obama. “We find it particularly abhorrent that these attacks are apparently being sent specifically to the Jewish Community. Jews, who have historically been the target of such attack,” read a widely-widely distributed open letter from the senators.

As with any technology, we must learn to use the Internet wisely. In this closely contested race for the democratic nomination, and later in the fall, when the campaigns are sure to become ever more zealous and nasty, we must all become discriminating about the way in which we pass on supposed "facts" that find their way into our email boxes.

Always read with skepticism, calm down, check the facts, and then, if you must, (after re-reading with even more skepticism) pass it along. Remember that every email you forward will likely reach halfway around the planet earth within hours. Like feathers cast upon the wind, they are virtually irretrievable; unlike feathers, malicious disinformation can fly unfettered with potentially tragic results.

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  • Propagandist

    It is good to see Obama being finally brought down from his pulpit (however slowly) and given a hard look.
    Chicago Sun Times ran an article to this effect today.
    People have always been expressing doubts over his Israel stance..this isn’t anything new.

    According to Ralph Nader, Obama ‘was pro-Palestinian when he was in Illinois before he ran for the state Senate.’

    I, for one am glad to see people starting to treat him less like their savior and more like the calculating Chicago politician that he is.

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    It’s one thing to take a hard look at Obama’s stances on anything. But using lies to scare people off of a candidate, while nothing new, is made more powerful via the medium of email.

    Barbara

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    New round of anonymous e-mails?

    I’ve been reading less than flattering remarks about this senator for quite some time that have not been at all anonymous. You may like the guy. You’re entitled to your opinions. I’ll not comment. But from what I know of American politics, I wouldn’t trust him or anyone else running for president regarding his intentions regarding this country. And I certainly don’t trust Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

    Frankly, Barbara, I wouldn’t complain if I were you.

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Ah Ruvy,

    I was wondering if you were going to stop by. I’m not complaining, but the spread of these emails, which have contained outright lies (easily–very easily verifiable as such) have spread like a virus. EVery day, people ask me if I knew that Obama was a Muslim and a swore his oath of office using a Koran (both of these, by the way are completely untrue and easy to check). There is a congressman who IS a Muslim and he did swear to his oath of office using a Koran. As well he should have.

    I have spent more time than ever this past month pointing people towards sites that pick apart this sort of myth and illuminate the lies for what they are.

  • Clavos

    “There is a congressman who IS a Muslim and he did swear to his oath of office using a Koran. As well he should have.”

    You’re speaking of Keith Ellison of Minnesota.

    He DID use a Koran, but the “swearing in” of Congressmen doesn’t require the use of even a Bible, so his action was pure political symbolism, and in fact, did not sit well with a lot of his constituents because it was such a gratuitous gesture, especially because he had been previously sworn in officially with no religious text.

    The ceremony in which he used the Koran was meaningless.

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    You’re right, it is meaningless. But the point was that the lie about Obama “swearing in on The Koran” was an image intended to scare Jewish support away from him. I was not considering the issue of whether swearing in on a Bible or a Koran or anything is appropriate in a secular society.

    Despite the fact that Obama’s record and support of Israel is strong (and no less so than any other candidatein my opinion), there are certain groups (and I’ve heard that a Republican Jewish coalition is responsible for at least some of the emails) who will promote a false image based on lies.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Barbara, there is nothing anonymous about this You Tube Segment from MSNBC.

    Mind you, I’m not defending Hillary Clinton or John McCain. In my eyes, they are both garbage, as is Obanma. But there is distinct feeling of standing on air listening or reading Obamaphiles.

    Would you like a magic carpet?

  • Anon

    Anyone see the photo showing Barack Hussein Obama in a muslim garb in Africa?

    Apparently he is ashamed of it and accuses the Clinton people of feeding propaganda..wonder why he cares so much since reports about his pro muslim stance are just ‘rumors’.

    Check out Obama dressed as Osama

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Anon–this is what I was talking about. Please do fact check.

    Obama went to Kenya (the birthplace of his father) two years ago. He was given traditional TRIBAL attire to try on, which he did. End of story. If he went to Scotland and put on a kilt, would Drudge accuse him being gay because he was wearing a skirt?

    This is from an AP story covering this ridculous non-issue:

    “In a teleconference with reporters, retired Air Force Gen. Scott Gration, an Obama adviser who accompanied the senator to Kenya two years ago, said the senator was there to learn how tribes were organizing themselves.

    “And in the course of this, Senator Obama was given an outfit and as the guest that he was, the great guest, he took this outfit and they encouraged him to try some of it on,” Gration said. ‘It was a thing that we all do.'”

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Anon. I’ve got pictures of me wearing native garb in the middle east. So what? It’s not even clothing which is exclusive to muslims.

    As for swearing ins, they ought to be done on the Constitution, not the Bible or the Koran. Swearing on anything but the Constitution offends me.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    “…wonder why he cares so much since reports about his pro muslim stance are just ‘rumors’.”

    Rumors or not, there would be nothing wrong with his having a “pro-Muslim stance.”

    It’s a free country; anyone can have any “stance” they want.

    Methinks you’re afraid he might get elected.

    Good.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    This World Net Daily article is about how the Woods Fund supplied funds to an Arab terrorist. Obama was on the board of directors of the Woods Fund during the time that the Woods Fund made the grants to the terrorist.

    The article reads in part,

    Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2001.

    Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.

    Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama’s senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

    The $40,000 grant from Obama’s Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group’s reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year.

    Another not so anonymous bit of information indicating the nature of Obama’s real feelings towards Israel and its Jewish residents, Barbara.

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Not to mention, Clavos that there are Muslim who live in this country, are citizen–and that have died in the service of this country.

    I cringe at the idea that one needs to be “anti-muslim” or have their patritoism, their worthiness as president or anything else questioned. “Pro-muslim” “Pro-Israel” “Pro-life, “Pro-choice.” Sheesh. this is the sort of sound-bite bumper-sticker mentatlity that is much to the detriment of intelligent discourse. Oh yeah. I forgot that this was electoral politics we’re talking about. Never mind.

  • anon

    I have no problems with him wearing the garb at all.
    Its his reaction that got me thinking. I’ve seen headlines like ‘Obama camp livid over muslim dress photo’, ‘Obama accuses Clinton of fear mongering’..etc
    My question is why is he so defensive?!

  • troll

    because he looks like a twit in the picture rather than some kind of a leader dude

  • anon

    haha! that could be it! He does look more like the guy who stands next to and fans a tribal leader in Africa than the President of the US.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Hee hee.

    Troll knows that if you give someone enough rope…

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “Pro-muslim” “Pro-Israel” “Pro-life, “Pro-choice.” Sheesh. this is the sort of sound-bite bumper-sticker mentality that is much to the detriment of intelligent discourse.

    So, let’s see if I understand you Barb. In your article, you cry and cry about “anonymous” e-mails denouncing this Obama dude for his attitude on Israel. You’re Jewish, so you figure that this makes you an authority on the issue. But when someone gives you rather un-anonymous criticisms of Obama’s actions regarding Israel, you remain silent, and complain that “Pro-muslim” “Pro-Israel” “Pro-life, “Pro-choice.” Sheesh. this is the sort of sound-bite bumper-sticker mentality that is much to the detriment of intelligent discourse.

    You can’t have your cheesecake and eat it, too, Barbara. Obama’s actions, and my post #12 is just ONE example of his actions, indicate his anti-Israel and ultimately anti-Jewish nature.

    In the end, it doesn’t matter what you say that counts, it matters what you do. Obama says all the right things, but folks like me, who watch this a lot more closely than you do (we actually have something to lose), see a lot better than you do.

    If you want to cheerlead for Obama, go ahead and knock yourself out. But don’t be like the “Obnoxious” American, who thinks that because he is Jewish, he knows what is good for Israel, and deludes himself accordingly. NONE OF THE CANDIDATES FOR YOUR “CHIEF MAGISTRATE’S” JOB IS GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY. FULL STOP.

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    First of all, Ruvy, I really don’t like to be patronized. The Woods Fund is far from the anti (I’m not even sure what you think it’s anti) whatever organization you paint it. As far as the board of that organization goes, this is their mission statement:

    Woods Fund of Chicago is a grant making foundation whose goal is to increase opportunities for less advantaged people and communities in the metropolitan area, including the opportunity to shape decisions affecting them. The foundation works primarily as a funding partner with nonprofit organizations. Woods supports nonprofits in their important roles of engaging people in civic life, addressing the causes of poverty and other challenges facing the region, promoting more effective public policies, reducing racism and other barriers to equal opportunity, and building a sense of community and common ground. . Their newest board member is a lecturer at Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies, a prominent Chicago Institution of higher learning.

    Second of all, I don’t think you are the sole authority (because you live in Israel) as to what is “good” for Israel or “not good.” What is or is not good for Israel is a matter of opinion. I do know what I believe to be good for my country (the US) and I also have opinions about what would be good for Israel, but although I am a Zionist, have most of my family there (since the 1920s), I am not an Israeli citizen. Israelis have the right to choose those leader they believe will be in the best interest of Israel, without interference from American Jews.

    As far as being “pro-Israel,” there are so many shades of what that means, I have asked my classes to define “pro-Israel,” and have yet to get a consensus. (By classes, I mean adult Jewish studies classes.)

  • anon

    By the way..saw this somewhere today:

    “In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the “hope of the entire world” that the U.S. will change for the better.

    The 74-year-old Farrakhan, addressing an estimated crowd of 20,000 people at the annual Saviours’ Day celebration, never outrightly endorsed Obama but spent most of the nearly two-hour speech praising the Illinois senator.

    This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better,” he said. “This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama’s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed.”

    Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion’s founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.

    “A black man with a white mother became a savior to us,” he told the crowd of mostly followers. “A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall.”

    For anyone who doesn’t know, Farrahkhan is a nut and a known Anti semite who has said crazy things including statements like
    “These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality, [and] Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government [on the war in Iraq”
    Wonder why he would support Obama..

  • Everybody Does Raymond

    I received an e-mail about Obama from Daniel A. Oluwa saying he had a plan to give away 200 billion dollars but needs a partner to vote it into law. I also recieved an e-mail about Hillary Clinton from Dr. Chukwubu Eze saying he wants to free up government assistance to big oil and needs my bank name, address, account number, swift code, ABA number (if any), beneficiary of account, telephone and fax numbers of bank.

    White sheets with those khakis? Oh no you didn’t Obama.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    anon: I refer you back to Clavos’s comment #11.

  • georgio

    I heard today that the Obamas where married by the minister Farrakhan ..Now I have to ask myself WHY would you let him marry you if you didn’t have the same beliefs as him ..?just asking.

  • Andrew E.

    Obama was married by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago on Oct. 18, 1992.

    This information is freely available, georgio. Why not do a little research before passing along unfounded rumors?

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I have to say that Obama can’t be too happy to get the Farakhan endorsement. Not exactly the guy you want at your back when you’re trying not to look too much like just another far left crazy.

    Dave

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Andrew E.–Georgio’s comment was exactly the sort of thing to which I was referring. An easily checked lie (or, to be kinder, unwittingly told falsehood) with which these emails have been filled. To a non-informed, or already skittish voter, these contentions make people think twice. All it takes is a little bit of reading to know they’re not true, yet many people won’t look beyond the myth.

    Dave-You’re so right. I cringed when I heard that endorsement. Obama does not need that sort of backing in the midst of this malestrom.

    In a way, this all is but a taste of the sort of stuff that will hit Obama in the fall, should he get the nomination. How he handles it will be important and steel him for the fight against McCain. If he makes it.

  • georgio

    Before you all jump on me for my comment let me explain because I do check things out and have backed O bama from the start because I am from Chicago ..I happened to be listening to Hanraty on talk radio and he is the one who said it..Now I think most talk radio hosts are scumbags but so when he said that I was shocked and told you what I heard..thats why I put it on here because I knew I would hear more about it..well I have checked out facts and I am not at all happy with what Michell has been saying and Baracks involvement with Farrakhan and his land deal next to his house will cause me to REALLY check him out..I first began to like him when he became a Senator which was handed to him on a plater due to the opposition screw ups..but he fought hard for Veterans like me who where getting screwed by the veterans committee in Illinois compared to other states but he really did not change anything but he at least tried..

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    I am not at all happy with what Michell has been saying and Baracks involvement with Farrakhan

    Georgio…there is no “involvement” with Farrakhan by Obama. He has made that point clear and emphasized it again in today’s debate. He not only “denounced” Farrakhan and his views, he also “rejected” them (to make Hillary happy). Just because Farrakhan has nice things to say about Obama does not create a link between the two.

    But, of course, the GOP smear machine will work full-time trying to convince people that there is a link. They’ll do their best to convince you that Obama is a anti-semitic communist Muslim who loves to torture cats. People with even a modicum of intelligence will see through these lies.

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    I listened carefully last night to Obama’s words about Wright, Farrakhan, Jews and Israel. I have no doubt as to his sincerity. I think calling attention to the rift between Jews and Blacks as something he’d like to see repaired was important, and I’ve not heard many African-American leaders refer to it for a while.

    More than ever, I’m convinced that Obama should be the democratic nominee and the president.

  • http://bobmccarty.com/2008/02/27/woods-fund-president-silent-on-obama-votes/ Bob

    Two days ago, I published a post about the WND news release and info from Aaron Klein. Soon after, I contacted Deborah Harrington, president of the Woods Fund, and asked her to confirm or deny whether Barack Obama, then acting in his capacity as a Woods Fund director/board member, cast any votes in favor of providing grants for the Arab American Action Network.

    Though more than 40 hours having passed since I asked the question, I have yet to received an answer to this question which could be obtained simply by reviewing the board’s meeting minutes from meetings during which AAAN-funding votes were cast.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Don’t you hate it when corporations won’t return your calls?

    BTW, Bob, the banner at the top of your blog: just… scary.

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    Bob said: Though more than 40 hours having passed since I asked the question, I have yet to receive an answer.

    Hang in there, Bob. Thank God we have muckrakers like you and the fine folks at WorldNet Daily (whose motto “If we don’t have the facts, we make ‘em up” is an inspiration to journalists everywhere) staying up late every night digging through the garbage cans in the alley trying to find that one little delicious piece of evidence that will prove once and for all that Obama is a Muslim terrorist. I rest easier knowing that you’re on the scent. God bless you, sir!

  • Anon

    I listened carefully last night to Obama’s words about Wright, Farrakhan, Jews and Israel. I have no doubt as to his sincerity

    Are you serious? He looked like deer caught in headlights!

    Guess I’d be uncomfortable too if one of my church’s talking points is:
    ‘To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center’

    If I didnt know where this came from, I’d say it was from some black panther sympathizers.

    I think I saw the word ‘black’ more than I saw the word God on that church’s website! Scary.

    Wonder if a white candidate can get away with attending a Church that is ‘unashamedly white’ and ‘dedicated to the white cause’.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    This comment, originally posted elsewhere, belonged here.

    If this is an example of Barack Obama’s “support” for Israel, you can take the son of a bitch and shove him where the sun don’t shine.

    He’s just drek, as I have been telling you over and over again.

    If you want this pile of shit for your president, Barbara, you are welcome to the asshole. Just keep the son of a bitch away from here, lest some of us decide his fate for him.

    A sample of the shit shining in the sun speaking in Cleveland.

    …according to Obama, backing the Jews’ biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question “can’t be the measure of our friendship with Israel.”

    Nor can supporting the view that only by defeating its Islamic foes can Israel enjoy any semblance of peace and security, continued the Democratic frontrunner.

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    Ruvy said: “If you want this pile of shit for your president, Barbara, you are welcome to the asshole. Just keep the son of a bitch away from here, lest some of us decide his fate for him.”

    You’re making a death threat against Obama? My, aren’t you the ballsy little anonymous commenter! I guess we do things a little differently in the U.S. We try to debate each other without threatening to kill someone if they happen to disagree with us. But let’s make a deal. We’ll elect the U.S. president and you can elect the Israeli president. And, oh yeah, we won’t send out death threats if we don’t like your guy. Geez…

  • Clavos

    “I guess we do things a little differently in the U.S. We try to debate each other without threatening to kill someone if they happen to disagree with us.”

    But usually we just invade ‘em; it’s so much more efficient than debate…

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    Touche!

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    They don’t do things like that in Israel either–unless it’s from one of the far right lunatics there. People who are so opposed to the notion of negotiation to give up one inch of Biblical Israel, they rather see the Israel not survive at all than give up a centimeter of the West Bank.

    Ruvy, you chose to make aliya and now call Israel your home. I will not resort to the sort of language with which you have chosen to defile the comments section of my article. However, to make a not-so-veiled threat against an American citizen (particularly a presidential candidate) is reprehensible to me and to anyone who is a thinking and rational person. I have listened to your personal comments and rants against me in virtually every political article I have posted, but this is the limit.

    I have to ask how hard you celebrated when Yitzchak Rabin (z”l) was assassinated? The funny thing about Israeli politicians(except for Bibi) is that when they ascend to PM, they tend to understand a little better that your point of view will only lead to the eventual destruction Israel whether from the inside out or the outside in. Even Ariel Sharon eventually understood that.

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    Barbara said: They don’t do things like that in Israel either–unless it’s from one of the far right lunatics there.

    Good point. I didn’t mean to indict an entire country with my comment. I’m wondering, though, why a death threat against a presidential candidate (whether empty or not) is tolerated by the moderator (or are we unmoderated here on BC?)

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Doug,
    that’s an excellent point. I am not sure of the procedure to purge that comment (or that contributor). Never had the cause to know to this point. Dave–are you out there?

  • Clavos

    Talk about overreaction!! Where’s the “death threat?”

    The exact statement was:

    “Just keep the son of a bitch away from here, lest some of us decide his fate for him.”

    “Decide his fate for him” is ambiguous; it could mean anything, and in any case, involves an action contemplated on the soil of the sovereign nation of Israel, thus is not within the jurisdiction of the USA, much less this blog, which thankfully, has shown a marked reluctance to “purge” anyone or anything heretofore.

    And Ruvy’s comment is certainly nothing worth violating that policy over.

    Understand I’m not defending Ruvy’s viewpoint; I rarely agree with him on almost anything; but especially a couple of rabid lefties like you two should understand he has the right to SAY what he did.

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    “Decide his fate for him” is ambiguous; it could mean anything,

    Oh, really? For example?

    a couple of rabid lefties like you two

    Wow, I didn’t know I was rabid…better make sure your shots are up-to-date.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Speaking as one of the comments Inquisitors, I concur with Clavos here. The BC comments policy allows you to say pretty much whatever you wish, so long as you don’t attack other commenters personally (or if you must, at least do it with some panache (JOM, are you watching?)!).

    Anyone who visits the site with any regularity knows what Ruvy is like, and will recognize that the remark was just a typical manifestation of his persona.

    Now certain humorless persons in suits in Langley or Tel Aviv may or may not be interested in some of the things Ruvy has to say, but it shouldn’t concern us overmuch here.

    ;-)

  • http://www.my-virtual-income.com Christopher Rose

    Yeah, what the Doc said.

  • http://www.community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Fine by me. But I would appreciate it, Ruvy, if your language did not address me personally in that manner. I’m a wilting flower and do not like to be talked to in obscenity and invective (even if they aren’t referring to me, but since the comments were directed to me by name.)

  • Pablo

    google Zbigniew Brezinski AND obama

  • http://community.livejournal.com/house_reviews Barbara Barnett

    Pablo–Oy.

    Yep. Cat’s out of the bag. Zbignew is a foreign policy advisor (one of several, inlcluding Dennis Ross–a big, resepected supporter of Israel). And pssssst….did you know that Brent Scowcroft and Henry Kissinger are McCain foreign policy advisors?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Barbara,

    I would never address you in an insulting manner – whatever I think of your opinions or views, you are a contributor here developing a respectable (in terms of amount) body of work, and you are certainly worthy of my respect as a fellow writer.

    Often, I enjoy your articles from the point of view of a writer, even though I may disagree with your views extremely. And in this instance, I do.

    Neither Obama, Clinton nor McCain deserve any respect from me at all.

    As for your deluded view of “supporters of Israel”, if you mean that Zbignew Brerzinski(sp?), Dennis Ross, Brent Scowcroft and Henry Kissinger are like overly tight jock strops squeezing the life out of this country, they are indeed supporters.

    Kissinger, for example, tried to welsh (no offense meant, Colin) on the deal that Dayan made for arms replacements in return for waiting for an Arab attack in 1973. Fortunately, Defense Sec’ty Schlesinger filled Nixon in on the details of Kissinger’s betrayal and Alex Haig saw to it that Israel got the arms she was supposed to get. Kissinger, ever the loyal servant of the Rockefellers and the CFR, managed to screw this country at the negotiating table after we WON and kicked the Syrians and Egyptians asses.

    Brerzinski is just a Carter holdover and supported the Carter policy of selling Israel out to the PLO. Had Carter won in 1980, that is what he would have done. But Reagan won instead, and in spite of the fact that Reagan was a terrible president in many ways, he did manage to sort of support this country. Ironically, he and Nixon turned out to be the only American presidents to really back this country up in the clutch.

    Scowcroft was Bush Sr.’s toady in selling out Israel (even though some think of him as a proponent of this country) and Dennis Ross was Clinton’s toady in doing the same thing.

    I’m a wilting flower…. Barbara, if you tell me where to pour the water, I’ll be glad to be of service. Any plant food you prefer?

    As for Obama, it has been coming to me through the grapevine that a number of people are worried for the man’s physical safety – that he is indeed in danger of assassination – as he is not the preferred candidate of the ” establishment” Democrats.

    That has nothing to do with my opinion of him. I came to my conclusions “all by my lonesome”, along with most of the English speaking Israelis here. The majority of us are not stupid and can smell his manure 8,000 miles away.

    There is of course, that minority of custardheads who agree with you. There is no law requiring their commitment to mental institutions, where they and the Jesuses, Virgin Marys and other assorted crazies this nation produces would all get along famously….

    Finally, Barbara, I did not rejoice at all at the assassination of Rabin in 1994. At that point in time, my views were similar in many ways to yours.

    However, to make things clear to you, Rabin was a drunk, a man easily manipulated. But even through the blurry eyes of alcohol he could see that Oslo and giving the killer Arafat power was a big mistake. Before his death, he had been learning Torah and attempting to change his ways, and he was trying to reject Oslo altogether. He was murdered for this. He was murdered by a man named Yoram Rubin (this was reported in Yediot Ahronot a number of years ago, much to the pain and embarrassment of his in-laws) even though the establishment insists on blaming Yigal ‘Amir, a man who shot blanks at Rabin and took the fall for his murder.

    I must tell you that while the “literate” establishment buys the bullshit peddled by Shimon Peres and his crew of killers, most of the population realize that ‘Amir was not the killer.

    You are a terribly deluded and naive woman, Barbara. That is not a personal attack or an insult, that is just a simple fact. Unfortunately, too many American Jews are just as deluded and naive as you are.

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    Ruvy said: You are a terribly deluded and naive woman, Barbara. That is not a personal attack or an insult, that is just a simple fact.

    Well, no, technically speaking, that would an opinion, not a fact. The kind of opinion that some people like to use to attack people who don’t happen to agree with them.

    Ruvy said (re Obama): If you want this pile of shit for your president, Barbara, you are welcome to the asshole. Just keep the son of a bitch away from here, lest some of us decide his fate for him.

    There are apparently some here who feel that your statement is somewhat ambiguous. If you’d like to take this opportunity to be clarify what you mean, please feel free.

    Barbara said: Yep. Cat’s out of the bag. Zbignew is a foreign policy advisor [of Obama].

    CBS News is reporting today that Obama has stated that Zbigniew Brzezinski “is not a key adviser but merely someone he had lunch with and exchanged e-mails with “maybe three times.”

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    The focus of my comments aimed at Barbara is not to attack her personally. The focus is to drive home the point that the delusions that afflict her view of this part of the world affect many American Jews as well. They used to afflict me when I lived in America as well.

    Living here has taught me many things about Jewish culture, things I would have rather not known at all. But because I do live here, and I do know these things because I have to to survive sanely, it gives me a base of knowledge that she cannot pick up from her sources in the States.

    This will go over your head, but perhaps it will not go over Barbara’s; giliti et yisrael.

    As for ambiguities regarding my comment about Obama, sometimes ambiguity is best left that way.

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    As for ambiguities regarding my comment about Obama, sometimes ambiguity is best left that way.

    For the record, I find your statement to be very unambiguous and rather sinister.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Ted Belman from Israpundit reports that Obama is Going Down.

    Some comments from his writings:

    Slowly, but surely Obama, is doing himself in. It is not just the company he keeps but also what he is now saying.

    Correcting Ed Lasky, whose article criticizing Obama was the first I noticed, Ted correctly points out:

    Recent polls disclose that 2/3 of Israelis are against dividing Jerusalem and retreating from Judea and Samaria and that is despite the fact the the entire world including the Government of Israel and its media have been embracing the two state solution.

    This is extremely important to realize when you are reading about Israel overseas. The majority of us are made voiceless by a G-dless anti-Jewish media that embraces the sick values of America and tries constantly to shove those values down our throats. Genuine Jewish voices, like Makor Rishon, get bought out by conglomerates whose money can be traced to the same anti-Jewish G-dless bastards who own and who therefore run the present media.

    All the reportage of the “major” newspapers here must be taken with a large dose of piquant salt. The truth does not come on the front page but sandwiched in small articles on page 6; it’s kind of like reading Pravda, and increasingly, the New York Times and Washington Post.

    You want to know the truth here? Ask a cabby – either Jewish or Arab. You’d be surprised what you’d learn, and how much the average Israeli clearly understands in spite of the bullshit constantly shoveled down his throat in the major Hebrew (or Arab) papers.

    Now, back to Ted Belman.

    The respected NGO Monitor had this to say about Sabeel’s Ecumenical Facade

    Reflecting its mission statement, Sabeel is active in promoting an extreme anti-Israel agenda in Protestant churches in both North America and Europe. Sabeel’s efforts have promoted the campaign to isolate and delegitimize Israel through the divestment campaign, which have recently been adopted by the World Council of Churches, the Anglican Church in Britain, the Presbyterian Church, and others. What could be clearer? Now here is part of Lasky’s article.

    “Nevertheless, other parts of his speech were far from reassuring, and once again cast substantial doubt on his views not just toward Israel but also specifically toward supporters of the America-Israel relationship here at home. Senator Obama believes words matter; it is a mantra of his candidacy. Therefore, it is only fair to look at the words he used in Cleveland to divine his views.

    He seems to be addressing many supporters of Israel in America who have questions regarding his views and his plans. He finds fault with them:

    ‘I think there is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt a unwavering pro-Likud approach to Israel that you’re
    anti-Israel and that can’t be the measure of our friendship with Israel.’

    Senator Obama characterizes those who have concerns about policies he might follow as President as being Likud-supporters. This has been
    a charge propagated by the fiercest opponents of Israel, who have often slipped into conspiracy theories regarding American supporters of Israel. (Try googling Likudnik and dual loyalty or conspiracy theory; Likudnik has become a term of opprobrium. As David Berstein notes, Likudnik has gradually become a general anti-Semitic term for
    Jews whose opinions one does not like.”

    Just for the record, I’m a member of the Likud Party.

    Note, folks that there is no anonymity here: there is no lack of clarity.

    Nevertheless, in saying this, again I repeat. NONE OF THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE LIKELY TO BE ELECTED IN AMERICA (should there be elections) IS ANY GOOD FOR ISRAEL AT ALL. THEY ALL SUPPORT TEARING THE COUNTRY APART. IN THE NAME OF A PHONY “PEACE” WITH TERRORISTS!

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    The only relatively independent voice here is Arutz Sheva and the many bloggers who refuse to be silent in the face of the lies the State and its servant media puts out.

  • http://www.my-virtual-income.com Christopher Rose

    Yes, Ruvy, of course…

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Chris, evidently, you were nice enough to fix my comment up. Thank you. It’s appreciated…. If it weren’t you but the dreadful doctor, thank you to the both of you….

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    My, aren’t you the ballsy little anonymous commenter!

    I’ve been analyzing the situation for the ungrateful likes of you for the last two and a half years.

    Anonymous commenter my ass!

    I’ll make a deal with you, Doug. Given that I am an American citizen, I’ll decide who is the best candidate I should choose, and let you know. Given that I am also an Israeli citizen, I’ll vote (or not vote) in parliamentary elections here and tell you why.

    You want to participate in Israeli politics? Become a citizen of this country….

  • http://planetjapan.org Doug DeLong

    Given that I am an American citizen, I’ll decide who is the best candidate I should choose…

    Absolutely…you should choose whoever you think is best, just like everyone else. Where you lost me, though, is where you threatened to kill the one you didn’t like. Call me crazy, but that seems to be just the slightest bit over the line.

    You want to participate in Israeli politics? Become a citizen of this country….

    I’m not sure what I said that gave you the idea that I wanted to participate in Israeli politics. Honestly, I long ago gave up on trying to figure out what the hell is going on in your part of the world. It’s always the same old same old. The whole region appears to me to be exhibit number one of why the world would be a much better place if there were no religions at all and people could just live their lives.

    And please accept my apologies for accusing you of anonymity.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Doug,

    Apology accepted.

    As for Obama, ambiguity is purposeful. No, I wouldn’t threaten death to an American political candidate. The bastard might just show up at my door and expect me to follow through, while his goons waited for my opportunity to make their day.

    I guess you really think I’m that stupid, don’t you?

    But I am not the only person who lives here. Down the hill from me is the village of Sinjel, which, if I am not mistaken, is the home of the family of Sirhan Sirhan, the nice young (well, not so young anymore) man who killed Robert Kennedy in 1968.

    I was working in the Kennedy campaign at the time and regretted the opportunity to go a victory party where I hoped he would finally do in (as in defeat, not kill) Saint Hubert from Minnesota at the Chicago Convention….

    Shavua Tov, – have a good week.

  • http://www.myspace.com/x15 Douglas Mays

    re: #1 from propagandist. Yes, the calculating Chicago politician. Remember, Hillary is a Chicago gal who was in her adolescence in the ’50s. THAT IS A GOOD THING!!! Why? Ok, I was born in the South side of that town in the mid-late 50s. So, the thing I have found out (observing mom and all her friends) is that gals from that era from that town are very progressive and sharp. Compassionate yet tough. And have a personality (see Hillary doing the flight attendant speech on her plane earlier in the campaign).

    so yeah, I put in a vote for Hillary.

    The other thing regarding the whole race thing with Obama is this. Wanda Sykes made a very good point. Not only do white people have to get past the ‘black’ thing, so do the blacks. she (on Leno the other night) described the black population thinking “huh, one of us leadin’ the country? I don’t know about that…” LOL. Then she said that with Obama in power, the blacks won’t have anyone to blame anymore. She said to imagine a kid in jail. He can’t blame ‘the man’ anymore….more LOLs.

    Awe geez, I’ll shut up. It is too early on a Saturday morning to organize my thoughts. I need more coffee to get my brain booted up.

    Oh, think of this. In regard to the idea brought up about not being faked out by Obama, see it as a calculating Chicago politician instead…Thank goodness Hillary is a Chicago-ite who can outcalculate Obama’s calculation. Using his strength against him.

    Ah, brutal politics. It is a brutal world…

    Although, calculating can be used for bad don’t let the term become one of those blanket thought ‘bad’ words. You know, just like how ‘co-dependent’ became a bad word.

    best,
    DM